Massage Parlor Reports

**Adrick Ian** · 07-18-16 07:38

Originally Posted by NiceChicaGaGuy [View Original Post]

"But Umporowicz said he had coached all of his UCs to be blatant in their offers of sexual services to the men who called to set up appointments or arrived at Euro Spa as "walk-ins. " The men were all informed of the prices up front: $100 for "an adult hand massage," with oral sex costing $140 and full sex, $200. ".

Doesn't this qualify as entrapment?

Probably not. Although it would depend on whether or not your lawyer could prove that you were not "predisposed to commit the crime", or that the offer would induce or coerce the average person to commit a crime that they normally wouldn't.

Two competing tests exist for determining whether entrapment has taken place, known as the "subjective" and "objective" tests. The "subjective" test looks at the defendant's state of mind; entrapment can be claimed if the defendant had no "predisposition" to commit the crime. The "objective" test looks instead at the government's conduct; entrapment occurs when the actions of government officers would usually have caused a normally law-abiding person to commit a crime.

In this case, I suspect that the prosecution will handle the objective test by arguing that a normally law-abiding person would have either politely refused the offer of sex for money and requested a massage only, or would have left the establishment. As for the subjective test, the defendants lawyer will have their work cut out for them trying to prove that the defendant had no interest in paying for sex and normally wouldn't do so, but they felt that in this particular situation it was necessary.

If you're going to participate in this hobby, it's important to realize that "entrapment" isn't likely to be a usable defense in most cases. The undercover officer can lie to you and tell you they are not a cop, they can make the offer, they can dress provocatively, legally they can even perform the "cop check", and you still aren't going to be able to use an "entrapment" defense.

Now as an example of where you might get an "entrapment" defense: You meet a pretty lady at a bar and strike up a conversation. She seems interested in you, and you ask if she'd like to get out of there for a while. You both agree to go to a local hotel and both express interest in mutually consented free sex. You are both naked, and lying in bed kissing. Just as you're about to engage in penetrative sex, she mentions that she's out of cash and was wondering if you'd be willing to pay for a cab for her afterwards. You agree, and the cops come busting in to arrest you. In that case, you might be able to use an "entrapment" defense.

**Ztar7** · 07-18-16 05:42

Originally Posted by E6671 [View Original Post]

I 100% agree. I work on the West side and watch cops drive by guys selling drugs on the street every day. They ignore the thugs and drunks hassling people on the CTA trains. But they have plenty of time to arrest women who are not hurting anyone. Why? For the revenue. There is no money in it for the city to bother arresting someone who isn't scared of not paying the fines. It just causes more work to go after them for failure to appear.

Agree 100%.

I think a large portion of the LE attention these places receive is from the illusion that there is some slave ring organization that facilitates all of it.

Rather than the truth, which is that these girls are trying to survive in a society where they don't speak the native language, have little education or no credentials that are recognized, and are most likely the first in their family to come here, and are still in the process of finding their place in an American life.

Just recently I posted about several busts for licensing issues. After talking with some of those involved, the main reason so many of these girls are unlicensed is they simply can't take the test because it's only offered in english.

In reality it is of our own doing, many of these girls would move on with their lives much quicker if we could make it easier for them to adapt to life here. But that would involve admitting that America is not the center of the universe.

**NiceChicaGaGuy** · 07-17-16 22:23

Originally Posted by OFCharlie [View Original Post]

Wow, this is new. Hope this is not copied here in Chicago.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-...ing-operation/

"But Umporowicz said he had coached all of his UCs to be blatant in their offers of sexual services to the men who called to set up appointments or arrived at Euro Spa as "walk-ins. " The men were all informed of the prices up front: $100 for "an adult hand massage," with oral sex costing $140 and full sex, $200. ".

Doesn't this qualify as entrapment?

**Castlerae** · 07-16-16 19:56

Originally Posted by OFCharlie [View Original Post]

Wow, this is new. Hope this is not copied here in Chicago.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-...ing-operation/

I noticed that they arrested a guy who'd been busted as a 'john' because he came back the next day and started shooting video of their operation. Charged him with 'obstruction'. Wonder how the f they're going to make that stick in any courtroom?

**Danielp** · 07-16-16 14:15

Originally Posted by PwnLife [View Original Post]

Yes, at open is good, but sometimes they are shortstaffed then too, since the late crew hasn't come in yet either. Maybe try asking the mamasan / girls when it's not so busy.

Every time I ask when is the best time, they always say "right after lunch", between 2 pm and 5 pm. They are fresh, with energy, low volume of customers, etc.

**E6671** · 07-15-16 22:22

Originally Posted by SaintChuck [View Original Post]

The Kane county sheriff's department did a similar sting in Aurora, years ago. It's nice to know that Seattle has the heroin and meth problems under control. Now they can focus on important stuff like busting guys who want to get a HJ. What a complete joke. This was just another cash grab by Uncle LEO. They know that if they arrest the druggies, they won't be able to pay any fines and it will cost money to lock them up. If they arrest a dentist a few lawyers an architect and technology workers, they will be able to fork over the fines and the court costs. SaintChuck.

I 100% agree. I work on the West side and watch cops drive by guys selling drugs on the street every day. They ignore the thugs and drunks hassling people on the CTA trains. But they have plenty of time to arrest women who are not hurting anyone. Why? For the revenue. There is no money in it for the city to bother arresting someone who isn't scared of not paying the fines. It just causes more work to go after them for failure to appear.

**Colesmithe** · 07-15-16 21:54

Originally Posted by OFCharlie [View Original Post]

Wow, this is new. Hope this is not copied here in Chicago.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-...ing-operation/

Whatever the reason still a nightmare for the 204 that were busted -.

**SaintChuck** · 07-15-16 21:32

Originally Posted by OFCharlie [View Original Post]

Wow, this is new. Hope this is not copied here in Chicago.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-...ing-operation/

The Kane county sheriff's department did a similar sting in Aurora, years ago. It's nice to know that Seattle has the heroin and meth problems under control. Now they can focus on important stuff like busting guys who want to get a HJ. What a complete joke. This was just another cash grab by Uncle LEO. They know that if they arrest the druggies, they won't be able to pay any fines and it will cost money to lock them up. If they arrest a dentist a few lawyers an architect and technology workers, they will be able to fork over the fines and the court costs. SaintChuck.

**DMichaels69** · 07-15-16 21:15

This is hilarious. The lady cop said all the men thought they were god's gift to women, wanted a line up to choose a girl, and did a lot of groping. Now I know the respectable mongers in Chicago do not act like that. If that happened here, it would be like Halloween and Valentines day with all the candy and flowers they would get. LOL

Originally Posted by OFCharlie [View Original Post]

Wow, this is new. Hope this is not copied here in Chicago.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-...ing-operation/

**OF Charlie** · 07-15-16 20:57

Wow, this is new. Hope this is not copied here in Chicago.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-...ing-operation/

**PwnLife** · 07-15-16 20:42

Originally Posted by WretchedBliss [View Original Post]

I was there a couple months ago and had a good time as well. But the only masseuse that was available was a bit larger (not really my type), although very playful! Looks like I'll have to go back and check it out again!

There was a larger girl cleaning up. I was afraid she was going to show up in the room. I wasn't sure what my game plan was going to be at that point. But I had already left another parlor because of a noshow girl, the second parlor I went to opened late (no activity at opening time), and by this time I was already rarin to go! Stopped at the first parlor I saw on my way home.

**WretchedBliss** · 07-15-16 18:04

Originally Posted by PwnLife [View Original Post]

$40 door fee for hh. $40 tip. First time here.

Not too old, not a really pretty face, but not really ugly either. Not much talking. Really Skinny waist (which I like), and big boobs for her frame. Great oily massage. Nice tease at end. Went straight to HJ after flip. A little underclothes roaming, but not much access with restrictive shorts. Really good technique, I didn't even have time to ask if she would do more. I doubt there's more anyways.

I was there a couple months ago and had a good time as well. But the only masseuse that was available was a bit larger (not really my type), although very playful! Looks like I'll have to go back and check it out again!

**JolieThornDog** · 07-15-16 15:17

Originally Posted by WhiteRookDown [View Original Post]

You nailed it, Chuck. On point word for word. Well said.

It was low of them to include the lady's picture. The hags that are complaining are probably just that. HAGS. There is a lot more going on in the neighborhoods they should be concerned about, maybe like the attractive neighbor giving favors the husbands don't want from their wives.

**PwnLife** · 07-14-16 14:53

Originally Posted by PwnLife [View Original Post]

$40 door fee for hh. $40 tip. First time here.

Not too old, not a really pretty face, but not really ugly either. Not much talking. Really Skinny waist (which I like), and big boobs for her frame. Great oily massage. Nice tease at end. Went straight to HJ after flip. A little underclothes roaming, but not much access with restrictive shorts. Really good technique, I didn't even have time to ask if she would do more. I doubt there's more anyways.

Sorry, her name was coco before people ask.

**PwnLife** · 07-14-16 13:50

$40 door fee for hh. $40 tip. First time here.

Not too old, not a really pretty face, but not really ugly either. Not much talking. Really Skinny waist (which I like), and big boobs for her frame. Great oily massage. Nice tease at end. Went straight to HJ after flip. A little underclothes roaming, but not much access with restrictive shorts. Really good technique, I didn't even have time to ask if she would do more. I doubt there's more anyways.