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[Admin2]

Admin2, ... google map cannot know where you are :-)

Yes I have a degree in computer science, I know what you're talking about.

However you talk about capabilities and I talk about probabilities.

Your mac address is indeed attached to every packet that leaves your device but this is still protected data. A warrant is needed for the cops to LEGALLY take your data.

We are indeed outside of the USA, both us and our servers.

While nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing is hidden from the NSA, we aren't talking about domestic terrorism here, we are talking about HPD and a misdemeanor prostitution charge. That would be why Silk Road got taken down and after 16 years and 2,000,000 posts nothing on this forum has ever been used as evidence. The shit that you're talking about doesn't come cheap, elite hackers like that are expensive as hell and HPD isn't going to put out the money to get evidence they cannot use because it was ILLEGALLY obtained. What they are going to do is look at BP ads for chicks offering massage that dress really hot, then they are going to stick an undercover outside the MP and see if 99% of the people going in are old fat guys. If they are, then they are going to send an old fat guy in and see if he gets a handie, if he does, then they bust it.

It didn't happen because somebody is following you around running wireshark against your phone.

[Lomion]

The forum is safe the same reason backpage, ter, etc is safe and anybody can walk into a random city knowing nothing and buy drugs within a half hour. It's because deep down everybody knows including the the and LEO that it ain't going away and as long you keep it on the DL nobody cares. WSG been around nearly 20 years IIRC and never heard of a single case outside some Islamic nations where the information was ever used against someone and in even those cases was used against the provider.

Is it a 100%, no. Is it good enough, yes. Sure you could go all out with FDE dedicated monger laptop that only sits at home with 100% tor / i2 p tunnel and spoofing a new MAC randomly while equally paying a homeless dude to get you a new tracphone weekly (and only turning it on when not at home or work) and also pay him to go into libraries and create you a new account daily. Go for it if you want.

Sucks about Empire. Only went once but agree best AMP on island. You can get great service elsewhere but Empire had consistency and fresh girls regularly. The other joints I find tend to have way too many rules, keep them too long, pictures not legit, or cater to not my body type (Empire few place I find that has small tits and skinny). Plus the girls were always clean and eager to please.

Will somebody else step up sure, will it be as good, who knows. The current crop though isn't cutting it.

[Harrywang]

You sir have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Evidence ALWAYS needs to be verified, 100% of the time. There is tons and tons and fucking TONS of case law on point supporting this. Somehow, somewhere LE needs to be able to say, Harrywang is Joe Fucking Blowhardwhotalksalotaboutshithedoesntknow. When it's posted in an interactive forum like this generally speaking they need to come to us and say, "hey who the fuck is Harrywang for reals?" To which we answer, (not like they ever asked) "We have no idea, his email is iluvpussy@iluvpussy.com, that's all we know.

If shit written here could be evidence LE wouldn't wait for you guys to write it they would just register and write it themselves.

A2.

Admin2, I'm not sure if you are the actualy webmaster of this website because the following information will be somewhat technical in nature to explain to you that the government has more than just an email address to pinpoint someone to "verify" who it was that posted online. But, with all due respect, this isn't meant to challenge you in anyway. I just wanted to help some folks out by putting some less known knowledge out into the open about technologies and what we can do to prevent myself. Please do not take my responses to heart.

Okay, lets start with the easy shit. We all use some sort of the internet device to connect to this website. There are usually several things that most people on the internet know, they are probably IP address, MAC address and such. To explain networking, I can start either from the Server side (AKA this website hosting company, or server), or I can start from the User side aka YOU.

Let us start from the user side because that is probably more relevant to you, if you get bored just move on and start jacking off elsewhere, this is for people who is somewhat technical in nature and has a genuine desire to learn about how to be as unidentifable as possible. (there is reason I didn't use anonymous because I feel that is simply impossible).

User has typically two ways, a mobile device (smartphone, tablets, etc.) or a computer (desktop, laptop). All of these will need to connect to either, LAN, wifi, or mobile network to get online. Most likely, you will also connect to a router or hotspot router, and in turn connect you to the internet. I lot of shit happens in the middle on this end already before you even get to the internet, your MAC address is recorded by the router, and for most user MAC address is bound to each individual devices and can identify you. However you can do a MAC spoofing to prevent that, that is low level shit and many people know that.

On a mobile network level, triangulation can be used to identify you down to about 20 meters of your location if the conditions are right. This identifies where you are and at what time. There is no way to prevent that because triagulation is by nature how cell phone towers are used to communicate with your mobile device.

Then, you hop onto the internet and you go through you ISP, then mainframe network, and usually can be as much as like 10-30 jumps, to get to your final destination, I. E this website. All those jumps record who you are, your IP and such in a log that is sometimes called metadata. All these happen without you knowing at the speed of light.

Then, you get the website. Now website, keeps a log, like this website, there is a log going on somewhere in the database. These databases are "secure" to a certain level, but by no means are they hack proof. Since we are talking about hack, I really doubt if there are things that are unhackable in this world. Yes, even computers that are offline from network is hackable as Snowden has shown us in official government slides that he revealed, LOL.

The log has your IP, your time, the pages you accessed, and so on.

Now, government can subpoena such records when approved by a judge during major investigation. If this website is hosting in a country like Russia or China or some other jurisdiction who completely ignores these requests, it is all good, if not, another redbook incident is theoritically possible.

Okay, if you thought, alright I know this shit already what else you got? Here we go into some more lesser known shit.

I mentioned metadata before, well it has come to light to many security researchers that these metadata can identify you across the entire internet.

Instead of me going and explain what it is, I will just link you to wikipedia articles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_fingerprint

Basically, your machine that you use tells the world who you are. One of the most surprising is known as canvas fingerprinting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canvas_fingerprinting

What this is basically, a unique metadata that your graphics card draws is send as an indentifier across the internet, which is unique just to your device regardless of what OS you use, or you have cleaned or reinstalled. It is a hardware generated fingerprint that websites use to identify you.

I can go on and on with how to uniquely identify you, and there are ways to counter it. One of the methods I suggest is to use TAILS. But that conversation goes beyond what I intend with this post, just PM for more info.

Okay, so admin2, I hope that you already knew about all of these nasty hidden shit that goes on with the internet and so the LE has more tools than we think to identify us and can put as evidence to court. The problem here is if a case is serious enough to use this, it wouldn't be public knowledge so I have no verifiable data to suggest that these evidences is widely used to prosecute people. However, I rather be safe than sorry, thus for the all the bros out there, keep an open mind please.

P.S. if you ever wonder how in the world does google map or your browser locate you on a desktop or laptop with no GPS chip such accurately? Well, actually it is your surrounding wifi that is given you off. You see there is a world of database of all the router MAC addresses with google and other big search engines and they triangulate the data using your own wifi receiver of your nearby wifi routers and thus display where the fuck you are. if you turn off your wifi receiver and just use LAN, google map cannot know where you are :-)

[Harrywang]

Whatever the truth is, I wish Ivy well. I was always treated very well when I visited. In my opinion, Empire maintained a royal standard of service while it was open.

And as far as SirRegal's credibility, I vouch for him. I've received solid intel from him via pm many times, both about Empire and other establishments. He has also provided some nice detailed reports in other threads. Empire just happened to be his favorite, particularly with the Luxx on deck.

Yea, his intel is solid! I agree very much, he is usually first to bang all the new set of girls. Amazing reporting, and in no way am I saying this guy is a fraud. I think he just loves these young Chinese girls, maybe even to the point he is personally contacting them, I have done that in the past so I know your life can get interested by messaging them. So yes, if people got the impression that I was calling him out as though he is being paid to post, I'm sorry, I didn't mean that.

At sirregal, I was hoping you knew more shit about the situation because you sound like you are almost there like 5 days out of the week or something.

Okay, since the cat is out of the bag, let's get the facts straight.

Some time at the end of July, empire got raided by some fed department which incidently has the same name of a tv show on showtime about some dude that ended as a terrorist and got hung in Iran.

Rumor has it, Ivy was taken in, set on some high bail, paid bail and came out.

[MuffinStuffer]

Man, fuck dude. This is a rise and fall of an empire (pun intended). Is it entertaining? It sure fucking is. This is useful gossip that people would want to know. We are talking about the BEST fucking AMP that Honolulu have seen in recent history. It didn't just fucking have a grand exit. It went cold turkey and dropped dead dude! Any motherfucker would wonder why this happened, me included! You even wrote days ago that you literally can stare at the front door of where you live and you did! Don't fucking tell me you didn't care or wondered WTF is going on. There is no moral high ground to take here. Same as you sirregal.

Mr. Secret agent man? I have to admit, I am being cryptic to lure people who know shit to say some stuff. Like someone else said, Ivy fucking was hating this thread. Well, let us all collectively use our brains, WHY?

This thread put Empire on the radar like a be-52 bomber, aka, a BIG ASS TARGET, for us to explore, but also for LE to fucking squash.

If you followed closely to the thread, initially, Ivy also wanted no discussion of the upper floor of the establishment. If you don't know WTF that is, you have never been into the "trusted client list" of Empire.

I really wish I am total BULLSHIT, and Empire comes back to life right now. It was a great fucking establishment. We all loved it. The new girls were like clock work, 1st of the month, BAM, hot sexy beautiful young foxy hoes ready to greet you.

I am saddened. I indeed am. We all should be. But the point of the forum is to discuss. Like someone dies, there is a phase that we all go through. Let me remind everyone.

1) Denial and Isolation. (that was a few days ago)

2) Anger (I sense that some of us are at this stage now).

3) Bargaining (few of us are at this stage as we see the alternative AMPs are just as good).

4) Depression (soon we will regret why didn't we bang wara or lux one more time).

5) Acceptance (I want to see how long this actually takes because not everyone can get to this stage and may never exit the depression phase.).

So, there we go. I hope you enjoyed this semi humor similar to Jon Stewart's style of real humorous news.

Its a fact and only a fact that I can see the front door from my balcony. I quite often go out to the balcony and its coincidental on most occasions that I notice what is going on down there. You are a John Stewart fan that explains a lot.

[Admin2]

On a one to one situation, you are absolutely right. But when you have a witness who works with the LE and claims that shit happened, and then you have online in a forum that shit also happened, it is now a supporting written evidence. The complexity of what charges and what the LE is doing to be able to gain this so called "trumped" up charges are the tactics that has shifted recently.

Unless you lawyer up and defend yourself, which will cost you a pretty dime, and you add in the fact that you have previous criminal records, you stand a very low chance to say, OH, online written shit are all BS, you can't use that against anyone.

One dimensional thinking is dangerous. Okay, I'm being cryptic again. Sorry, that is how I write on matters like this.

Sadly, the hand that feeds them is also the hand that ends up betraying them.

Everything we write here are theoritically evidences. The only best way is to skip town and start the fuck over. It was a good run, and rumor has it they made off with at least a 7 figure. Probably don't need to work for the next decade or so if they are smart about their investment. How to turn the house fee's legit would be a big hassle though, lmao. Unless of course it is used to pay for some government "fine", then mind as well not even start from the very beginning. Regrets? Remorse? Both?

It's a dangerous shady ass business.

"A nail that sticks out will be hammered"

You sir have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Evidence ALWAYS needs to be verified, 100% of the time. There is tons and tons and fucking TONS of case law on point supporting this. Somehow, somewhere LE needs to be able to say, Harrywang is Joe Fucking Blowhardwhotalksalotaboutshithedoesntknow. When it's posted in an interactive forum like this generally speaking they need to come to us and say, "hey who the fuck is Harrywang for reals?" To which we answer, (not like they ever asked) "We have no idea, his email is iluvpussy@iluvpussy.com, that's all we know.

If shit written here could be evidence LE wouldn't wait for you guys to write it they would just register and write it themselves.

A2.

[NotAThrowAway]

Man, fuck dude. This is a rise and fall of an empire (pun intended). Is it entertaining? It sure fucking is. This is useful gossip that people would want to know. We are talking about the BEST fucking AMP that Honolulu have seen in recent history. It didn't just fucking have a grand exit. It went cold turkey and dropped dead dude! Any motherfucker would wonder why this happened, me included! You even wrote days ago that you literally can stare at the front door of where you live and you did! Don't fucking tell me you didn't care or wondered WTF is going on. There is no moral high ground to take here. Same as you sirregal.

Mr. Secret agent man? I have to admit, I am being cryptic to lure people who know shit to say some stuff. Like someone else said, Ivy fucking was hating this thread. Well, let us all collectively use our brains, WHY?

This thread put Empire on the radar like a be-52 bomber, aka, a BIG ASS TARGET, for us to explore, but also for LE to fucking squash.

If you followed closely to the thread, initially, Ivy also wanted no discussion of the upper floor of the establishment. If you don't know WTF that is, you have never been into the "trusted client list" of Empire.

I really wish I am total BULLSHIT, and Empire comes back to life right now. It was a great fucking establishment. We all loved it. The new girls were like clock work, 1st of the month, BAM, hot sexy beautiful young foxy hoes ready to greet you.

I am saddened. I indeed am. We all should be. But the point of the forum is to discuss. Like someone dies, there is a phase that we all go through. Let me remind everyone.

1) Denial and Isolation. (that was a few days ago)

2) Anger (I sense that some of us are at this stage now).

3) Bargaining (few of us are at this stage as we see the alternative AMPs are just as good).

4) Depression (soon we will regret why didn't we bang wara or lux one more time).

5) Acceptance (I want to see how long this actually takes because not everyone can get to this stage and may never exit the depression phase.).

So, there we go. I hope you enjoyed this semi humor similar to Jon Stewart's style of real humorous news.

Finally someone brought up the 3rd floor treatment. Ahh yes, if you went to the 3rd floor, it would mean a certain number of things: 1) You were an older gentlemen that is a regular that would like some privacy, 2) You're a regular and you go with some friends (there's 4 bedrooms and a TS room on the 3rd floor), 3) You're LE and Ivy knows it 4) You're Chinese or speaks Chinese.

Personally I hate going to the 3rd floor because the beds are too springy to fuck on, but the extra space is pretty nice if you are creative. Generally I get extra time as well.

Since the cat is out of the bag now, I feel like I should share what I know (or what I think I know, take it at face value). Ivy and / or Steven are being watched by Department of Homeland Security, most likely immigration. Steven's is already back in China and I'm assuming Ivy may be following suit.

I could be making all this shit up, so don't blame me if I'm wrong. Just adding fuel to the fire.

[Lonely Smiles]

Whatever the truth is, I wish Ivy well. I was always treated very well when I visited. In my opinion, Empire maintained a royal standard of service while it was open.

And as far as SirRegal's credibility, I vouch for him. I've received solid intel from him via pm many times, both about Empire and other establishments. He has also provided some nice detailed reports in other threads. Empire just happened to be his favorite, particularly with the Luxx on deck.

[Blake123]

Oh yea? Your last 25 posts, 20/25 was for Empire. Your last 50 posts was 40/50 about empire. I can go on with your statistics. It is proven that you have an extremely close relationship with Empire. Enough said.

Dude, I go to Top Spa and ReJuve so I'm not working for Empire. Thats hilarious.

I moved this Empire thread convo to this thread to be on the safe side as I've received too many infractions the past few months (:

I've seen SirRegal's many reviews of girls at various AMPs--not just Empire. SirRegal probably has been the most prolific reviewer of AMP girls in the Honolulu forum going back at least six months. And, he has TOFTT quite a few times times--a lot more than I have! Yes, he posted many reviews of the girls at Empire, but I think that's because he was very satisfied with the level of service the girls provided and found what he liked most in an AMP. Nothing wrong with that. Lots of guys have raved about Empire's quality of service since it's opening in early 2014. Just my 2 cents.

[DatOneMan]

We could sit and argue about a bunch of things, but the most important question I wonder about is will any other establishment reach the same standards?

As for my last visit there was more a more cautious temperament from Ivy, she wasn't her normal happy self, but I left with the feeling that business would be steady for at least another month. Things change.

[Viet Whisperer]

The Empire Strikes Back Again. Whip out your lightsabers.

Guys I would take the argument to the Like Beef thread before the Admin Strikes Back LOL. Use the yellow box at the top of the page as the force! Nice quote Memahu haha.

[Harrywang]

I could care less if they closed. There are plenty of other venue to utilize. But speculating on why and making stuff up like you are Mr. Secret Agent Man is funny. Naive? I'm Naive because I don't arrive at fantastical conclusions based on nothing? Emotional? No I'm perfectly calm. Defensive? No just calling it like I see it, AKA the bullshit flag. You have nothing to gain materially but just like everything else here its done to entertain. In this case letting on that you are in the know, it entertains you. By letting on that you are in the know in a roundabout way with vague statements and contextually inappropriate quotes. Is cryptic. Again its for your entertainment. There took me 20 seconds to post this, my blood pressure is fine and I'm about to head to my next appointment.

Man, fuck dude. This is a rise and fall of an empire (pun intended). Is it entertaining? It sure fucking is. This is useful gossip that people would want to know. We are talking about the BEST fucking AMP that Honolulu have seen in recent history. It didn't just fucking have a grand exit. It went cold turkey and dropped dead dude! Any motherfucker would wonder why this happened, me included! You even wrote days ago that you literally can stare at the front door of where you live and you did! Don't fucking tell me you didn't care or wondered WTF is going on. There is no moral high ground to take here. Same as you sirregal.

Mr. Secret agent man? I have to admit, I am being cryptic to lure people who know shit to say some stuff. Like someone else said, Ivy fucking was hating this thread. Well, let us all collectively use our brains, WHY?

This thread put Empire on the radar like a be-52 bomber, aka, a BIG ASS TARGET, for us to explore, but also for LE to fucking squash.

If you followed closely to the thread, initially, Ivy also wanted no discussion of the upper floor of the establishment. If you don't know WTF that is, you have never been into the "trusted client list" of Empire.

I really wish I am total BULLSHIT, and Empire comes back to life right now. It was a great fucking establishment. We all loved it. The new girls were like clock work, 1st of the month, BAM, hot sexy beautiful young foxy hoes ready to greet you.

I am saddened. I indeed am. We all should be. But the point of the forum is to discuss. Like someone dies, there is a phase that we all go through. Let me remind everyone.

1) Denial and Isolation. (that was a few days ago)

2) Anger (I sense that some of us are at this stage now).

3) Bargaining (few of us are at this stage as we see the alternative AMPs are just as good).

4) Depression (soon we will regret why didn't we bang wara or lux one more time).

5) Acceptance (I want to see how long this actually takes because not everyone can get to this stage and may never exit the depression phase.).

So, there we go. I hope you enjoyed this semi humor similar to Jon Stewart's style of real humorous news.

[Candyman2002]

And cryptic messages are often a bluff! Uh let me post something vague and reeking of Sun Tzu and maybe everyone will believe I've got some insider information. Good try though.

Just wondering, if a monger posts that he visited and establishment the same day and the records of the establishments video shows that he was there coincide, wouldn't that be pretty good evidence? Not trying to defend anyone, but I don't want to be a fool too! Every establishment has videos, one that you can see and those unseen.

[MuffinStuffer]

They are often a bluff, but not always a bluff.

I gain nothing to pretend to know stuff.

I know it is sad to see a great place like this to close, but stuff hit the fan, and it needs to close.

No need to get emotional or act defensive. I will not argue, but welcome folks with additional info to come forth to share.

As far as I am able to put the various pieces together, it is dead for a long while. Not one week, or two weeks, but good months if years to come.

Cryptic? No, I was merely suggesting to the person I replied to that if mongers can hear the tone of Ivy as worrisome, then it wouldn't be Ivy because she is smart, witty, and very business minded. Thus, the tone will always be, great, business is great, every girl is awesome here.

She wouldn't even let out a fart that shit is about to hit the fan to customers. Don't be so naive.

I could care less if they closed. There are plenty of other venue to utilize. But speculating on why and making stuff up like you are Mr. Secret Agent Man is funny. Naive? I'm Naive because I don't arrive at fantastical conclusions based on nothing? Emotional? No I'm perfectly calm. Defensive? No just calling it like I see it, AKA the bullshit flag. You have nothing to gain materially but just like everything else here its done to entertain. In this case letting on that you are in the know, it entertains you. By letting on that you are in the know in a roundabout way with vague statements and contextually inappropriate quotes. Is cryptic. Again its for your entertainment. There took me 20 seconds to post this, my blood pressure is fine and I'm about to head to my next appointment.

[DJ Quick]

Ah fuck, another joest. Just like the 1221 was closed, people kept on telling me to shut the fuck up.

FYI, people really fucking wonder if empire is closed because there is rumors of another fucking June style raid coming or not. If it true, it is not safe for us. If is not, then biz as usual.

So yes, it fucking means something. And sir regal, I've read countless good reports of the Empire girls reviews from you. At some point in time, (I'm not accusing you), I wondered if you are an arm of Empire's propaganda branch.

If someone was going to contribute, if should be you. But yet, you take the stance to hush the discussions. I'm willing to bet, you were instructed at this point.

Therefore, I am wondering if I should fucking spill the beans of every single thing I know. Don't tempt me.

Spill the beans my bradah. Would like to know it too. .