"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

I just wonder if you and her were on the same page when you mentioned packing mud.

Nailing a girl when she is there for a completely different purpose is one of the most erotic situations you can get into, I'd say go for it. If she's posting for "body rub sessions" on back page it's probably not her first rodeo as you said, but I enjoy those kind of situations just because I like entering "unknown" territory. I never could stand just ordering an escort and knowing how things will go, I like the chase and suspense. Springing the boner on the unsuspecting and see how it goes is more my style Plus maybe you can get the Hawaiian girl in there to watch the therapy session -- like a training classroom. Tell her it's physical therapy training. The imagination runneth over.

As the blind man said "we will see".

And actually my new roomy should more accurately be call my Hawaiian Pillow Princess. But she is so fucking cute, I don't care. And she does take care of business when it's my turn, so no complaints.

[JZLizard]

I been getting a lot of in home physical therapy from a guy I know that's got about 35 years of experience in dealing with pain issues. He tells me he has been working with a girl that uses some forms of laser therapy that might also help my condition and asks if he can bring her along.

So I tell him sure, anything that even helps a little I am willing to try while the western medical dr's try to figure out what's wrong with me. So he brings this kinda pretty but sensual girl over and I immediately start getting some kind of vibe off her. Before she leaves I ask for her business card in case I want to schedule any future therapies. Like mud packs, massage, etc.

After they left I googled around a bit and I see she has been a UTR girl of sorts. She is mixed, 30 ish and from a nearby city. So maybe I'll make a play for her. I see she was asking $$ and $$$ in some old BP ads for some tantric body rub sessions. But for a $ I might take the plunge. Of course she was introduced to my current temp roommate, the Hawaiian Princess and deduced my SD status rather quickly. So the table is already partially set.

I just wonder if you and her were on the same page when you mentioned packing mud.

Nailing a girl when she is there for a completely different purpose is one of the most erotic situations you can get into, I'd say go for it. If she's posting for "body rub sessions" on back page it's probably not her first rodeo as you said, but I enjoy those kind of situations just because I like entering "unknown" territory. I never could stand just ordering an escort and knowing how things will go, I like the chase and suspense. Springing the boner on the unsuspecting and see how it goes is more my style Plus maybe you can get the Hawaiian girl in there to watch the therapy session -- like a training classroom. Tell her it's physical therapy training. The imagination runneth over.

[HollywoodGuy]

I been getting a lot of in home physical therapy from a guy I know that's got about 35 years of experience in dealing with pain issues. He tells me he has been working with a girl that uses some forms of laser therapy that might also help my condition and asks if he can bring her along.

So I tell him sure, anything that even helps a little I am willing to try while the western medical dr's try to figure out what's wrong with me. So he brings this kinda pretty but sensual girl over and I immediately start getting some kind of vibe off her. Before she leaves I ask for her business card in case I want to schedule any future therapies. Like mud packs, massage, etc.

After they left I googled around a bit and I see she has been a UTR girl of sorts. She is mixed, 30 ish and from a nearby city. So maybe I'll make a play for her. I see she was asking $$ and $$$ in some old BP ads for some tantric body rub sessions. But for a $ I might take the plunge. Of course she was introduced to my current temp roommate, the Hawaiian Princess and deduced my SD status rather quickly. So the table is already partially set.

[Mike7794]

I have learned a lot from this forum on how to stay safe but this was one topic that has not been addressed and hence my question.

I have heard that if a cop is asked if they are a cop and they lie then it becomes entrapment and it can be used against them should things get to that point and this is the reason many escorts ask this question as part of their screening process.

In Breaking Bad the cops in trying to nail Badger (one of Jesse Pinkman's pals) tell him that the US Constitution states that a cop must answer this question honestly poor Badger believes it and proceeds to sell meth to the cop!

So what is the truth?

In my locale I have learned in the past year that the LE can do almost anything now including lying that they are a cop. In addition in my locale LE can go get a massage from a BP provider and during surveillance of such and even engage in sexual activity if they believe will lead to a conviction. They have been given wide discretion it appears. I was quite shocked, because back in the day the test was for the girl to ask her customer to grab her breasts. LE could not do that then without breaking their own protocols.

Lastly you can't follow what is on TV. It is largely fiction.

[JZLizard]

Looking for anonymity from the the SO and Hackers (ashley madison).

I'd probably get an inexpensive gift card to try it and see if it works before spending more.

Does AM have forums of their own? Maybe you could find out there what is working for other AM users. Some of that comes down to how the website in question processes the cards.

I would think AM has a strong interest in helping you stay as anonymous as possible, as long as they get their money, particularly after the recent hacking scandal.

[Telcova]

Looking for anonymity from the the SO and Hackers (ashley madison).

Every prepaid card or phone has in effect what is a serial number uniquely identifying it. If LE came looking for video footage, it only takes a few minutes to see the exact time and date and at which register # that card was sold at (even if they pay in cash). Then they are about 2 more minutes away from retrieving the archived digital video clip showing the customer and the clerk performing the transaction, usually in high definition and at multiple angles.

That is, at least at any Walmart / BestBuy or reasonably modern place. Some of the video surveillance systems are sophisticated enough that they can do it in one step -- type in the serial # of the item and watch the video, all in seconds. I'm sure if you bought a prepaid card at a small no-name gas station or store where the owner doesn't keep his cameras working, then it could be harder of course. But good camera systems are cheap and easy these days and even the rural no-name stores usually have them in good working order. It might take a little longer to find when the card was sold, but they have less records to sort through as well so in most cases the video would be readily available if LE really wanted it.

Again though I wouldn't sweat this at all as an SD. Hopefully nobody is doing anything shady enough to have a need for that level of anonymity. It's good enough for hiding transactions from the wife.

[JZLizard]

So what is the truth?

The truth is nothing you see in a fictional show is to be taken seriously, and less than one percent of what you see in reality shows can be believed.

[JZLizard]

You actually have to say one thing, you are required to request an attorney. Funny as it may sound, remaining silent is not the same as asserting your right to remain silent.

I would just throw a wadded up business card with my lawyers number on it onto the floor, and let them work the technicalities out. lol

[Beachesnole02]

I would probably do all my talking through a lawyer.

You actually have to say one thing, you are required to request an attorney. Funny as it may sound, remaining silent is not the same as asserting your right to remain silent.

[Beachesnole02]

The answer is yes, they can lie their ass off and will to get you to say anything that will help get a conviction. A significant portion of them will go on and lie through there teeth at trial too. The later is done, even though it is not legal to commit perjury. The former, is not illegal and is a taught interrogation technique.

[Cephlapod Love]

I have learned a lot from this forum on how to stay safe but this was one topic that has not been addressed and hence my question.

I have heard that if a cop is asked if they are a cop and they lie then it becomes entrapment and it can be used against them should things get to that point and this is the reason many escorts ask this question as part of their screening process.

In Breaking Bad the cops in trying to nail Badger (one of Jesse Pinkman's pals) tell him that the US Constitution states that a cop must answer this question honestly poor Badger believes it and proceeds to sell meth to the cop!

So what is the truth?

Yeah, there are plenty of "curbstone attorneys" (knowitalls) around that think they know the answer to these questions and lots of misunderstanding out there as "common knowledge!" Now I might just qualify for aforementioned title?

I dunno the exact answer and with anything that has to do with the law some of it is written as laws passed by a legislature and some of the "law" evolves from judges decisions as "case law. " So established "norms" it CAN vary from state to state. The law is a tricky thing. While there are general guidelines, any attorney will tell you each case is different and unique and it is often hard to give hard-fast rules: too many nuances. This is why there is a legal profession: people who know or can find these nuances and how they apply to each person's unique set of facts.

That said, I think asking a cop if he / she is a cop and relying on that is stupid and gives false comfort. Anyone who has watched an episode of two of Law & Order knows that cops CAN (and do lie) to a suspect.

Again, ask a lawyer, but I believe an element required to be "entrapped" is that LE coerces / entices / induces one into doing something criminal that they normally would not do. So if a girl is standing on the corner (loitering) in a known drug area in skimpy clothes and waving to cars as they go by what is the inference on what she is doing or intends or "normally" would do? We still have no way to read ones mind and decipher intent, but a cop, prosecutor or jury might make reasonable assumptions (rightly or wrongly) about that. So if one is in an area reasonably known as an area where prostitutes hang out, and one is cruising looking at the girls. What is a reasonable assumption about what you intended or what you might normally do?

So IMHO, it is better to take the reasonable precautions outlined in posts on this site over relying on one thing to save one's bacon. Er, as it were!

But if one has gotten so far as to be arguing entrapment then one is well into the legals system with lawyers, judges and prosecutors. (one isn't going to argue entrapment with an arresting LE & win. At that point one is talking to LE and likely saying stupid stuff that incriminates them self.) Seems like taking precautions that avoid getting that far into the system are more prudent than trying to mount an entrapment defense.

[PghGuy2005]

I have learned a lot from this forum on how to stay safe but this was one topic that has not been addressed and hence my question.

I have heard that if a cop is asked if they are a cop and they lie then it becomes entrapment and it can be used against them should things get to that point and this is the reason many escorts ask this question as part of their screening process.

In Breaking Bad the cops in trying to nail Badger (one of Jesse Pinkman's pals) tell him that the US Constitution states that a cop must answer this question honestly poor Badger believes it and proceeds to sell meth to the cop!

So what is the truth?

[JZLizard]

Regarding "Anything that piques the prosecutors interest" when that happens they can create a false perception of the SD sites that causes the commerce issues you're talking about.

Yep. That's all it takes. The web has been the launching point for many new legislative actions in recent years. It is a constantly changing landscape where the law is constantly redefining what is or isn't a tortious or criminal act. The perception is what matters more than what the letter of the law says today.

I do have a question. You mentioned "revenge porn" sites. Can you bring me up to speed on what the definition is?

Broadly I guess you could say it's been the posting of explicit pics without the consent of the photo subject, but individual legal definitions are in flux. You might want to research Intimate Privacy Protection Act, and individual state's legislative activity on the subject of revenge porn. In layman's terms I guess IPPA defines it as posting an intimate pic with the knowledge that someone else could be hurt or embarrassed by the act of posting it, not necessarily an attempt to make money from it. I'm not sure how things will pan out.

My own practice on this is sort of a do unto others policy -- I don't do anything with anyone else's photo that I wouldn't want them to do with a photo of me. I sometimes send pics of girls to very close friends -- maybe nudes, but it's people that I trust not to share anywhere else. I wouldn't mind if a girl sent a photo of me to a friend if she indeed knew she could trust that friend not to share it outside the scope of their conversation. To play it safe I'm just very careful where I put photos. Most of the time the only thing I share are photos that a girl has already posted publicly to her FB page, and even then only in close circles I trust.

I'm a believer that oversharing is a problem.

[Cephlapod Love]

Regarding "Anything that piques the prosecutors interest" when that happens they can create a false perception of the SD sites that causes the commerce issues you're talking about.

I do have a question. You mentioned "revenge porn" sites. Can you bring me up to speed on what the definition is?

Revenge Porn Sites are probably those where a dude posts video he took of a GF while they were dating and after the break up decided to "cash in" and sell the video to a website.

[Mike7794]

I would think that simply specifying per date amount is probably a violation of SA's terms of service and definition of "allowance", but probably in itself not illegal since a meeting isn't necessarily sex.

However it's important to note that if the SB tells a cop you agreed to $ for sex, he can arrest you and your mug shot is now in the search engines whether you admit to it or not. , or whether he has any further proof other than taking her word for it. They might drop the charge later that afternoon but by that time the damage is done, your mug shot becomes public record and front page news. So it's not only important to not specifically specify $ for sex, its important that she doesn't perceive the arrangement as working that way -- otherwise her simple perception plus careless language with an officer could still get you arrested.

So you just have to avoid LE involvement altogether if there is any implication of pay-per-play. If you can honestly say you have never agreed to pay anything for anything, and are sure you can back it all up, then you might avoid getting arrested but it's not a guarantee. This is a position I don't like to be in at all, because if the SB goes psycho, the law is unlikely to favor our side of things.

Many years ago a girl I was banging (not an SB) got jealous and made a scene, and in order to avoid her physical blows or put myself in jeopardy of being charged by touching / subduing her, I just got in my car to get the fuck out of there. So she kicks dents in the side of my (new) car as I'm pulling out. I couldn't do anything in terms of police involvement because I was in a LTR at the time and wasn't supposed to be creeping around that night anyway. If I had gone to the cops I ran the risk of her making something up and charging me. So I just had to take my lumps (or dents in this case). Pussy is never free.

My point is that if we are playing covertly, we can't count on the law to help us when things go bad. It's kind of like illegal immigrants not being able to report being robbed for fear of being deported.

All good analogies and points.