"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

About 8 pm I went on a meet to see a tiny shop girl just as she was getting off work at the mall. She was AA, 23, 5'3" about 95 lbs and we only had 10 minutes to talk. She gave me the kind of hug and follow up txt that assures me she is a straight to the FC date.

Then I went and picked up my Hawaiian Princess just to hang out. Tonite I just wanted to show her I am serious about her and didn't really care what we did as long as we were together. So first we went to the Whole Foods and she spent about twenty on some groceries for later. Then we went to my place and ate a little dinner and then went into the FC to just cuddle, talk and watch TV for the next couple of hours. Finally she says will I give her a back massage and she takes off her top and I begin. After a few, I pulled her shorts down just enough so I could see her perfect ass while I was massaging her back.

Eventually I told her I was tired and just pulled her shorts off, had her get on her knees with her ass up and face down buried in the pillow and went straight to DATO. Then I went from hole to hole for about twenty minutes on her amazing virgin -1 ass before she took over for some face sitting. She lightly came maybe twice and she was sorta happy. I kept telling her it will get better and she will learn to cum and have great sex just like her girlfriends but its gonna take time. How much time no one knows and I am not going to wait forever to find out. But for now we are cool, I like her and no worries.

On the drive home we stopped at CVS for something she needed and I spent another twenty. As we kept driving she said "oh shit, you're not paying me tonite are you? So I told her "well I did spend the forty and we only did what you wanted to do all night". Then I reminded her "you said you didn't wanted to be treated like a wh*re and so that means you have to treat me like a BF". She agreed.

[FTP1999]

I am definitely more excited if the lady is interested without the money in the equation, at least initially.

Another week, another M&G turned into a trip to the FC with no sugar other than a cup of coffee and, this time, the hotel room. Older Brazilian woman. Thought she was going to be a little on the "few extra pounds side" but turns out she just had an amazing set of curves. Huge rack, amazing ass, but tight waist. Very hot in bed. Sensual, erotic, thorough. All landing points open for business and she practically drew a giant landing sign on her ass. Older. Says she is in her 40's and I would guess mid 40's from our conversation. Somewhat similar to my experience a couple of weeks ago (again with another older woman). Good meet and greet, great conversation, and some nice moments apparently got her all worked up so we went off to the races. And to think I was thinking of quitting the game.

For those counting at home, this makes five babies. Now, do some / all of them expect some sugar if we get into an arrangement? Of course. But these ladies clearly also love the sex part and what a great way to confirm they are not just in it for the money. (Quite a breath of fresh air given the women in the DMV that go right to the money first. Chemistry is very important to me and it is great to confirm that compatibility first.

[Telcova]

SB's do homework too.

"I believe a man should be a provider and take care of his companion EMOTIONALLY, PHYSICALLY AND FINANCIALLY! The person who will support me in all my endeavors.

[Member #6951]

Another week, another M&G turned into a trip to the FC with no sugar other than a cup of coffee and, this time, the hotel room. Older Brazilian woman. Thought she was going to be a little on the "few extra pounds side" but turns out she just had an amazing set of curves. Huge rack, amazing ass, but tight waist. Very hot in bed. Sensual, erotic, thorough. All landing points open for business and she practically drew a giant landing sign on her ass. Older. Says she is in her 40's and I would guess mid 40's from our conversation. Somewhat similar to my experience a couple of weeks ago (again with another older woman). Good meet and greet, great conversation, and some nice moments apparently got her all worked up so we went off to the races. And to think I was thinking of quitting the game.

For those counting at home, this makes five babies. Now, do some / all of them expect some sugar if we get into an arrangement? Of course. But these ladies clearly also love the sex part and what a great way to confirm they are not just in it for the money. (Quite a breath of fresh air given the women in the DMV that go right to the money first. Chemistry is very important to me and it is great to confirm that compatibility first.

[HollywoodGuy]

Due to a first time mis communication, my ATF and I both thought the other one had flaked. It's all good, no drama, just a misunderstanding. But here it was now 8.30 and no plans for the evening so I went and picked up the virgin -1 and we hung out at my place for 4 hours. So this was now date three. We spent about an hour and a half of that in the FC. This 18 year old really does have a perfect body from a lifetime of athletic pursuits and is an 8 for sure in the pretty dept. I call her my Hawaiian Princess.

And she is so sweet and and just wants a nice guy to treat her right and be able to reciprocate like she knows an experienced guy would expect. But she is literally a virgin to everything. We have already done a lot, but its not like being with these girls that would be insulted if you didn't have something between their legs within a few minutes after walking through the front door. I am a pro at that game. But this is all pretty new to me.

I don't have a girlfriend or my roommate to hang out with anymore. So I appreciate the company and the just chillin out part as well. I knew we weren't going to fuck tonite and she said she was still sore from date number one. But she is so funny. I don't really shave at all and no girl has ever demanded that I do. But of course I demand same day shaves and always have venus razors and skintimates in my home and travel bag so as to avoid any possible excuses.

So she says to me "you have too much hair and have to trim it a bit". So when she is ready to fuck again we are going to have a shaving party in the bathroom first to make sure that everyone is happy. TMI, I know. But I think its so cute. With no shortage of porn star pussy in between thanks to my ATF or any other girl I want to fuck, I told her to just relax and we will make it all happen when it happens. So really no pressure on her worrying about my expectations. Which she said she really appreciated as well.

It's kind of fascinating to see a girl that's managed to keep her little girl status for so long. And now, not even really knowing what to expect, but making the most of it with just the natural skills she has. And to see the looks on her face when she is turned on or flattered and shy about it. I told her not to worry about anything. That all I want to do is make her happy and feel secure and give her what she wants. And we talked again about why the $ is really a fair amount in this type of relationship. Because of all the emotional support she gets, which she now totally understands and agrees with.

So I am going to keep going with the experience for now. She really doesn't have much of a clue about anything in her life except that she doesn't want to be alone. And she really wants to learn what this sex thing is all about. And to have what she knows she has been missing in that area so far. So we will see if I have the patience, and dont meet someone else in the meantime that would make me have to end it. But there are certain qualities she possesses that are hard for me to to find.

[MulchMan]

Yeah. Mine last night knew she was going to the FC with me. Now I make damn sure my twigs and berries are squeaky clean especially when meeting for the first time in the FC. It would be like me working out for a couple of hours with sweaty balls and meeting up with her and hoping in the sack. I've got to tell you. After this third one it kind of took the wind out of my sails a little bit. It's making me not want to eat any pussy. I didn't even try with her. I didn't have to. I thought I caught an odor when I climbed in bed after she climbed in, but I really caught the smell when we went from missionary to doggy style (is that term still used? LOL). In any event I'm taking a short break from the site. I have to regroup. The thing is is that when I caught the odor I was fighting my own psyche telling myself while I'm pumping her from behind "forget about the smell and enjoy it". It worked for awhile until I changed positions again and it was all over. The smell overwhelmed me. Disappointing too as I didn't get off. She tried to get me aroused again by going down on me, but I'm laying there in disbelief she could do that while her foul juice was on my cock. Instead of arousing me it had the opposite effect LOL thinking "how is this young woman (29) able to overcome her own stinking pussy?

Sorry about your experience. I have only had that experience once years ago with a car date. Sounds like you need to bring some Massengill with your covers.

[FTP1999]

Is her fist name initial M? If so, PM me.

Only a few days on SA and messaging today I get this. "Lets meet soon! I'm overwhelmed with messages I would like to find someone and get off of this site ".

I hope her P don't S.

[Mike7794]

Greetings,

I fell into the SB hobby in January and have run about 18 girls so far. Typically 18-24 yr old only. I play in RVA and Cville.

I just discovered this forum last week! Imagine my surprise! So cool to read about all of us encountering a lot of the same situations!

What is interesting is that I guess I developed my own specific game plan that I roll on every girl, and it works very well for me. Just kinda "worked out that way".

Granted, I pay a little more in order to blind them. I also hit the FC on meet #1. I don't have time for M&G's.

All of that aside. I'm curious: There are the 'steps' that are put together on here. If all you guys are using the same approach on a finite number of girls in the SB at any given time aren; t the odds likely that a girl will get the same game layed on her by multiple guys? It just seems like this 'plan of attack' will fail with evryone using it.

Sure, new girls sign up all the time. But then wham! They get hit by roughly the same approach from 5 different guys on their first day?

Or am I missing something?

Anyway. Nice to meet you all!

It's funny you brought this up. Just a couple of days ago I got a reply from one of my letters. She had a long introduction about herself, but in one of her paragraphs she wrote this:

"I believe a man should be a provider and take care of his companion EMOTIONALLY, PHYSICALLY AND FINANCIALLY! The person who will support me in all my endeavors. The man that will make me laugh, is caring and considerate but plays hard ball in the business world".

Sound familiar guys? It was an eye opener for me. I live in the Midwest and so does she.

[Mike7794]

I know, right! Had Sb last night and couldn't even eat the pussy, which is disappointing, cause I love to eat the pussy, she was Brazilian so maybe it's a culture thing there, but of the 4 SB I have been with, 3 have had stinky pussy and they knew beforehand they were going to fuck, so what is up. Same here too, hard to keep the enthusiasm.

Yeah. Mine last night knew she was going to the FC with me. Now I make damn sure my twigs and berries are squeaky clean especially when meeting for the first time in the FC. It would be like me working out for a couple of hours with sweaty balls and meeting up with her and hoping in the sack. I've got to tell you. After this third one it kind of took the wind out of my sails a little bit. It's making me not want to eat any pussy. I didn't even try with her. I didn't have to. I thought I caught an odor when I climbed in bed after she climbed in, but I really caught the smell when we went from missionary to doggy style (is that term still used? LOL). In any event I'm taking a short break from the site. I have to regroup. The thing is is that when I caught the odor I was fighting my own psyche telling myself while I'm pumping her from behind "forget about the smell and enjoy it". It worked for awhile until I changed positions again and it was all over. The smell overwhelmed me. Disappointing too as I didn't get off. She tried to get me aroused again by going down on me, but I'm laying there in disbelief she could do that while her foul juice was on my cock. Instead of arousing me it had the opposite effect LOL thinking "how is this young woman (29) able to overcome her own stinking pussy?

[Mike7794]

Why are SBs from China and Japan favoriting me? Also getting picture requests from SBs in California. Seems like a waste. Thanks.

I was getting that for awhile, but they were all from China. I think they were hired from a Chinese website called "gagahi". The women that were reaching out to me were 10's in my book. She would talk to me for awhile, then she would want to take the conversation to that site, which you were required to sign up for. It was free to sign up. The catch is that once on there and if you wanted to message back and forth you had to buy credits. Kind of like the dating site called "ChinaLove". I had about three of them contact me. All 10's in their early twenties to late teens.

[Telcova]

SB wants to meet but when I asked for an email, it was hacked. When I asked for a phone number, it was disconnected.

Am I being setup? I'll be sure not to say p4 p on SA messaging with said SB.

Only a few days on SA and messaging today I get this. "Lets meet soon! I'm overwhelmed with messages I would like to find someone and get off of this site ".

I hope her P don't S.

[HollywoodGuy]

Was talking to a POT that is very cute but seemed a little skittish even after agreeing to the $. Finally I get her to admit she doesn't turn 18 for another 4 weeks. I think I can wait. Always, always, always ask for ID when in doubt.

[Telcova]

Only a few days on SA and messaging today I get this. "Lets meet soon! I'm overwhelmed with messages I would like to find someone and get off of this site ".

I hope her P don't S.

[Krill]

Welcome Krill. Sounds like you can write the book on your own since you have scored 18 SBs in 6 mos. What is your price point if you will share with us? And what is your demographic of choice? I have always thought that money is king and every girl out there has a price. After all, they are on SA for a reason $. If you have the resources to pay more than the competition then you will have an endless stream of pussy.

Haha. I don't think so. My price point is anywhere from $250 (lowest ever, 1 girl) to $600, depending on the quality of the girl (my interpretation of quality). I only go for non pro's, typically college only, age 18-24. Played with a 27 yrold once I found really fun. I also give gifts! Spa gift certificates,. Hell,. I even gave 1 girl an Ipad. LOL.

I never, ever talk about sex or such before meeting. EVER. I do risk the chance of getting a girl that suddenly is like "WTF! I'm not here to screw around". But that hasnt happened yet.

I don't do M&G's. But I do play up the friendship angle, text a lot, and always make the first meet a hotel. A good hour of very genuine talk, fun, music. Etc. And then its off to the races.

I have closed every time on the first date, always at a hotel. I do have one 18 yr old, married girl who actually likes it and charges me nothing. Loves getting video'd too!

The only edge I have is that I do have a lot of experience dealing with the younger set and I am very familiar, and even into a lot of their culture. So I can genuinely share experiences and conversation with these girls that they can relate too. Or I'm just lucky.

One things for sure. I still have my share of flakes, girls who seem super promising and then they go silent. I also will often line up 2 dates if there is a high risk of a flake.

Meh. I'm rambling now.

Let me say again it is great to have discovered this forum,. I had no idea!

[JZLizard]

SB vs Ho: JL is a young master doing more dating than sugaring. I would too if I could score a 20+ yr old for free. But all SBs are escorting with rare exceptions. What girl 20 to 45 yrs junior to the guy is going to truly want to hang out with a Daddy as a real relationship? Not many. And how many would do so without money involved? Not many. Soooo, the difference lies in the numbers.

As I've mentioned a couple of dozen times here before (perhaps more), I'm not young. As far as I can tell I'm actually significantly older than the average poster here. Taking good care of one's self and staying well preserved definitely helps but is really not the end game.

While caught in the ad nauseam loop I should also probably repeat that what I've suggested here in this forum has never been about getting a 20-something for free -- my SD approach consists of something that in industrial pay terms could be thought of as more of an incentive plan than a pre-agreed upon salary. The girls still get paid the way I do it, it's just a twist on how and when to pay and how much to pay (then there's also the side benefit of my method being perfectly legal, whereas most of the alternatives can get your mug shot archived on the web in perpetuity for all to see when they Google your name).

Failure to understand the facts and the reasons behind the methodology is a certain recipe for failure though. This is why I'm trying to clear up the misconception about my age or modus operandi. Most of the suggestions I've made here are part of a bigger picture that must be embraced in its entirety in order to be effective. It requires a shift in philosophy, but that philosophy must be built on a foundation of facts and reasons, and if grasp of those is unattainable, then I'll just say my methods are not going to work if the focus just isn't there.

My suggestions are for those who want to get the most out of the bowl, and when I say most I mean QUALITY not quantity.

It is true that I have a lot more experience dating than I do paying for sex, and yes that experience pays huge dividends in cases of TRUE sugar arrangements -- you simply get much more for your money if you have actual game. Game can be developed, but its important to note the distinction between creating financial arrangements for sex and anything resembling dating. Someone who regularly visits escorts is probably better at handling the entire business transaction than I am, because that's not my thing. Having true requires staying about two steps ahead of the ladies on a cognitive level -- not every guy wants to invest that level of thought, would prefer to just charge forward with whatever their little head tells them to do, and take whatever is available to them on the easy-pay menu. I get that -- it's the convenience factor. It's like the difference between eating healthy versus going to the fast food drive thru every day and loading up on burgers and fries. The attraction of a short term convenience wins out over the long-term consequence of stroking out or dying of cancer, because so many people find it hard to shift their philosophy to a more long-term approach. Honestly there are times I want that level of convenience too -- real sugaring is hard work -- but taking the path of least resistance results in higher quantity lower quality. What I'm trying to convey is it has very little to do with youth, good looks, etc. Those things help of course (to some degree) but there are also a staggering number of young ladies who won't think twice about fucking someone 25-35 years older than them without a great deal of thought toward the amount of payment, as long as your able to get into that part of their psyche.

My previous point was really less than all this, though. It's just that probably nobody here wants to see the SD sites get increasingly polluted with junkies and escorts. I'm sure they will always be there to some extent, it's just that as long as people continue to use the SD sites as escort mechanisms, they are jeopardizing the entire SD scene. This is really more of a statement about the long term sustainability of this particular hobby, something I think is probably of interest to everyone reading.