"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[PghGuy2005]

If the email exchange started without any mention of $ and the SB showed eagerness to be with me, should I just go ahead and meet her? And if the M&G is in a hotel room then it will very likely lead to FC in that case will it be a bad idea not to discuss $?

I was thinking of just going along with the flow and not force anything into it and at the end slip the $ into her handbag and hope for the best! Good idea?

Actually this worked with a couple of SBs without incident and I repeated with one of them granted one was big and the other (repeat) was on the older side. This was before I learnt of HWG 1-2-3 method.

[HollywoodGuy]

Well today I met a 22 year old mixed girl I have been trying to meet up for weeks. I am really bitter and jaded with SB as I had three flake out on me in the last week. I liked her pictures so I said what the hell. She was very cute and and we talked for well over an hour and a half. I know it's bad to think this way but you would think most 22 year olds are flaky and only want to party and may not be mature. Well I was pleasantly surprised. She is smart, articulate, mature and cute as hell. We talked about everything under the sun. We made plans to meet up again and didn't talk about sugar. I mention this because sometimes in the bowl you have a great time with someone you connect and there is no sex or money exchanged. These are some of the nice surprised in this hobby.

I had a similar experience today. A 19 year old mixed black / french middle class HCB looking for some guidance. Not sure if she was into me. But I am not always clued into that. But at least I got out and did three M&G's this week. I know if I did that every week it wouldn't take too long to hit one out of the park. At the minimum she was an 8/9. Awesome 5'4" 115 lb body. Perfect skin, nice lips, soft voice, and small hands. Claims to have had only two IRL boyfriends and no SD's due to her strict upbringing (all very believable). My only worry is that she was a little too straight. I like girls with an edge, but if she has a little devil inside her then we could be ok.

We did talk about the sugar in advance as I will not do a M&G with any girl until the $ a date parameter has been agreed to.

[JZLizard]

Long story short, if you read the forum, chances are, your question will have already been answered. There is very little that is new under the sun.

The one thing that's different about this particular thread that we all need to keep in mind, that unlike RTFF or its origin which is RTFM, there is not an easy way to search within the thread and achieve easily navigable results. In order to find something that's more than a few days old in this thread, a person needs to click page after page, reading every single post.

The intelligent solution to all this would be an FAQ, or a dedicated SD forum or organized forum section with a series of threads which can be navigated and search easily, bringing some level of reasonable opportunity for newcomers to research things on their own. Currently, this does not exist.

So asking someone to read the entire thread to find a particular piece of information is kind of like sending them into a 10,000 square foot warehouse full of rolls of printer paper, where everything they need to know about a topic is typed and put away ("but don't worry, those thousands of rolls of paper are in chronological order, you'll get through it in only a few weeks or months even as more rolls are added on a weekly basis!!"

I have suggested smarter ways of dealing with this many times in the past, but they have never taken off.

Albert Einstein was quoted as saying that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Continually growing the thread while simultaneously expecting every new user to start at page one and wade their way through, retaining every bit of info they encounter seems like full-on mandatory asylum committal time to me.

Meanwhile, the rest of the Internet figured out that FAQs and some feeble attempt at topic organization solves this problem sometime around 15 or 20 years ago.

Not trying to step on anyone's toes, but improvement doesn't occur all by itself. If I had the ability to single-handedly solve the problem I would have done it months ago. Repeating the same thing over and over clearly has not worked, and it's only going to become less effective as the thread grows larger.

[Ltnric]

Well today I met a 22 year old mixed girl I have been trying to meet up for weeks. I am really bitter and jaded with SB as I had three flake out on me in the last week. I liked her pictures so I said what the hell. She was very cute and and we talked for well over an hour and a half. I know it's bad to think this way but you would think most 22 year olds are flaky and only want to party and may not be mature. Well I was pleasantly surprised. She is smart, articulate, mature and cute as hell. We talked about everything under the sun. We made plans to meet up again and didn't talk about sugar. I mention this because sometimes in the bowl you have a great time with someone you connect and there is no sex or money exchanged. These are some of the nice surprised in this hobby.

[Buckeye66]

Yes. There is much truth to dolatos post. I attribute much of my very early and quick success in the bowl over these past few months to the pages of information that have helped my learning curve.

To all the newbies. PRTFF.

I just wanted to say thanks. I was a newbie to SA several months back and certainly my success rates have improved and costs have lowered since reading most of this forum.

I probably benefited most from Hollywood's 3 steps. Having worked some in sales it was easy to script 3 or 4 messages to reel them in and weed out those with GPS. Saves a lot of time and improves success rates substantially.

Many thanks to all.

[FredMoore]

" She is a 9/10 and we click. If the physical chemistry is there, I may drop all the other babies and focus on her. " Smellyfish.

I second the brothers' advice to ALWAYS keep a backup rotation in play. Every single time I get complacent with one baby she fades away at some point. It's nice to have that one hot one but keep #s 2 and 3 ready. There is a reason every athletic team has a bench (;.

[FotoGuy1970]

Yes. There is much truth to dolatos post. I attribute much of my very early and quick success in the bowl over these past few months to the pages of information that have helped my learning curve.

To all the newbies. PRTFF.

Exactly. At 571 pages (and that's just as of this writing), it takes some time to read through this entire thing, but it's well worth it. When I first found this forum and decided I wanted to pursue this SD life, I literally took notes. I would read the forum, come across a nugget of information I liked or felt was valuable, and I would copy and paste that info into a text document. I still have it easily accessible on my PC's desktop. So yes, it is well worth it to do your homework.

[Dolato]

So today was fruitful.

That's some good time management. Like HG said, maybe don't quite drop all the SBs so quick.

Even if the POT comes through, the SBs can be flighty and vanish into the thin air without any notice. That doesn't mean you have to maintain a large stable but it's good to have a few fallbacks just in case. You'll have to throw in the steady SB into the rotation from time to time to keep her around.

Ending up empty handed all of a sudden can lead you to act in desperation and maybe throw out your budget or something else foolish. Having a solid base of SBs to build on can let you be pickier and walk away from less than ideal situations.

[IluvSmellyFish]

HWG is probably too nice to respond. Prtff is usually written as Rtff. It means "read the effing forum".

It is an acronym that is not uncommon to many forums. I suspect HWG added the "p" to the rtff in an attempt to be gentlemanly and add a "please. ".

Rtff is often used when a newer member asks a question that has been discussed multiple times. More experienced members who have often alreadly answered a question posted by a newer member will often simply reply by writing "RTFF" since it is a PITA to explain something everytime a new member asks a question.

Long story short, if you read the forum, chances are, your question will have already been answered. There is very little that is new under the sun.

Sorry, what does that mean in plain English?

[IluvSmellyFish]

Wiser words could not have been written. I have found that it works the same in civvy dating as well. In my experience women are competitive by nature. Having options only makes them want you more. Unless they don't, at which point, having a fallback never hurts.

In any case, thanks to all the veteran brothers (hwg, JL, FM, and others) who have posted their experiences and adventures on this part of Jackson's site. The memories I have created as a result of the combined wisdom of this forum have been priceless.

Good luck, Just don't put all your sugar in one bowl.

[Bowtie]

1st got into the bowl on my own a couple of years back. While first fishing, no experience and ran into a pro that got me for $$. At least I can look back now and tell she was a pro, I didn't know that at the time. While I don't like throwing money away, that didn't bother me as much as the feeling of getting burnt. I hate that more than anything, so I started researching. Found this thread and started reading. Started at 1st post, got almost 200 pages in before I ran out of time. No time because lessons learned were paying off. While I'm not on the level with hwg (who is? I'm holding my own with 2 beautiful spinners that I see 1 or 2 times a week each along with one or two more to keep things rolling. Oh yeh, the so, can't forget the so. Fascinating reading, great bunch on here. Hell, I'm even studying psychology now to try to understand these little beauties! Always hungry!

Yes. There is much truth to dolatos post. I attribute much of my very early and quick success in the bowl over these past few months to the pages of information that have helped my learning curve.

To all the newbies. PRTFF.

[HollywoodGuy]

So today was fruitful. I came into the day with the expectation of seeing two sbs today. I had a date set up with a a pot as well and had another pot (wildcard) waiting in the wings.

The SB that had been begging for a date the past month didn't respond this morning when I texted to confirm our date. Luckily the other SB did, and the pot I have been targeting confirmed our lunch date. After getting confirmation from the trusted SB, I booked the hotel and was off to the races.

The lunch date with the pot went better than planned. We ended the date and I felt like a kid in a candy store when this sweet young thing let me kiss and pet her. She is a 9/10 and we click. If the physical chemistry is there, I may drop all the other babies and focus on her.

The fact that I was ignored by one SB gives me an excuse to cut her from my rotation. The date with the SB that confirmed was good, but while I was banging her, I had the pot I went on a date with earlier that day, on my mind the whole time. Crazy because this is the SB that is a 7 face 8 ish body but is completely wild in bed. I thought she would last at least eight dates. I was going to try to maximize my room by inviiting my wildcard pot over but she is unavailable. Which is why I write this report in the hotel room.

Right now my plan is to play it cool. I have had m&gs with pots that generated promises of trips to the FC that never materialized. My latina coed gymnist pot is a prime example (she went dark and no peep from her for a while) .

But seriously gents, if things work out with this pot, I am going to be on cloud nine. She is cute, very young and seems eager to please. Wish me luck fellahs.

Good luck, Just don't put all your sugar in one bowl.

[IluvSmellyFish]

Yes. There is much truth to dolatos post. I attribute much of my very early and quick success in the bowl over these past few months to the pages of information that have helped my learning curve.

To all the newbies. PRTFF.

Reading through the pages and pages filled with others' mistakes and success can definitely speed up the learning curve.

[IluvSmellyFish]

So today was fruitful. I came into the day with the expectation of seeing two sbs today. I had a date set up with a a pot as well and had another pot (wildcard) waiting in the wings.

The SB that had been begging for a date the past month didn't respond this morning when I texted to confirm our date. Luckily the other SB did, and the pot I have been targeting confirmed our lunch date. After getting confirmation from the trusted SB, I booked the hotel and was off to the races.

The lunch date with the pot went better than planned. We ended the date and I felt like a kid in a candy store when this sweet young thing let me kiss and pet her. She is a 9/10 and we click. If the physical chemistry is there, I may drop all the other babies and focus on her.

The fact that I was ignored by one SB gives me an excuse to cut her from my rotation. The date with the SB that confirmed was good, but while I was banging her, I had the pot I went on a date with earlier that day, on my mind the whole time. Crazy because this is the SB that is a 7 face 8 ish body but is completely wild in bed. I thought she would last at least eight dates. I was going to try to maximize my room by inviiting my wildcard pot over but she is unavailable. Which is why I write this report in the hotel room.

Right now my plan is to play it cool. I have had m&gs with pots that generated promises of trips to the FC that never materialized. My latina coed gymnist pot is a prime example (she went dark and no peep from her for a while) .

But seriously gents, if things work out with this pot, I am going to be on cloud nine. She is cute, very young and seems eager to please. Wish me luck fellahs.

[Dolato]

Of course the only way to gain these skills is to play in the bowl, put yourself at risk, and learn from experience.

Reading through the pages and pages filled with others' mistakes and success can definitely speed up the learning curve.