"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[VaSD1]

Are affairs non-monetary transactions? Or is it another SD / SB site?

Just wondering if it may be safer than SA. Any other similar sites where individuals hookup without any money / stuff involved?

My next FC meet is with a married but looking 29 yo MILF. We had M&G yesterday and decided on a full service date next week. She complained all her contacts on AM were just "how much do you want" comms and that's why she switched to SA. At this point I don't think it will cost me anymore than the hotel room as she is just a deprived house wife. She just needs to someone to show her some attention. I will happily do that.

[HollywoodGuy]

Should I discuss upfront about long term or date by date? Are SBs less interested in guys who do not commit to a long term arrangement upfront? Or should I just relax and take things as they happen and let her bring up these topics.

If it is date by date then I guess we will have to agree to the $ at the beginning. Sorry for being all over with my questions. I am a newbie.

Since you laughed at my joke I would politely suggest reading the entire forum from start to finish.

[PghGuy2005]

Should I discuss upfront about long term or date by date? Are SBs less interested in guys who do not commit to a long term arrangement upfront? Or should I just relax and take things as they happen and let her bring up these topics.

If it is date by date then I guess we will have to agree to the $ at the beginning. Sorry for being all over with my questions. I am a newbie.

[PghGuy2005]

There is no such thing as free pussy. LOL. I will rephrase that. There is no such thing as shopping for free pussy. If you like to shop then you are going to pay.

That was funny HollywoodGuy!

I was wondering if there was less risk of drama, attachment etc with AshMad since people are looking to have affairs? Assuming everyone is truthful about their status / intentions on AshMad.

[HollywoodGuy]

Are affairs non-monetary transactions? Or is it another SD / SB site?

Just wondering if it may be safer than SA. Any other similar sites where individuals hookup without any money / stuff involved?

There is no such thing as free pussy. LOL. I will rephrase that. There is no such thing as shopping for free pussy. If you like to shop then you are going to pay.

[PghGuy2005]

Are affairs non-monetary transactions? Or is it another SD / SB site?

Just wondering if it may be safer than SA. Any other similar sites where individuals hookup without any money / stuff involved?

[ThePunter7216]

If my budget is lower than expectation can I go ahead and contact them but ask them up front if their expectation is fixed?

Or will it be a waste of time.

If their expectation is "high" or "substantial" I'm pretty unlikely to contact them, just due to GPS, low likelihood of success, etc.

Anything else I will contact and I don't even discuss the sugar up front. Just chat and get to know them. If they are not a UTR, then their expectation is never REALLY 100% fixed and the more they like you the less they will insist on. I generally don't even discuss the sugar until they bring it up. Just assume that they know I will take care of them.

[PghGuy2005]

If my budget is lower than expectation can I go ahead and contact them but ask them up front if their expectation is fixed?

Or will it be a waste of time.

[PghGuy2005]

Thanks to Canebay and JeezLizard for all the info on this topic.

Vanilla Visa / Mc gift cards are available in Walmart and many other places. You need only the zip code to register the card.

On SA you *must* choose the 2nd option that says seekingar. The payment process occurs on 1 page where you enter all requested info. The zip code must match what you registered the card with, name etc can be anything.

The first payment option will not work since it occurs on an overseas site and this type of cards cannot be used outside the USA.

[HollywoodGuy]

First, I only post about girls that have a profile on an SD site.

And a question.

How many of you have been proposed marriage by an SB if you are single or asked to leave your SO if you are married?

[JZLizard]

Based on the story, it sounded like the writer was asked to provide and receive some of those services (e. G. Nipple clamps, light bondage, s&m, etc) and that she had her "daddies" on a clock (e. G. An hour of her time). Nothing wrong with that if she was into it, but if she wasn't, then she is basically an escort for hire, not an sb.

Yes, this was another distinguishing feature that categorized her clearly in the escort camp rather than an SB.

Whenever someone is writing up a specification or a purchase order of the specific sexual services they would like done to them before the meeting, it has already flown outside of the boundaries of a true SD / SB encounter. That's something that happens between pros and johns. If a girl agrees to a specific laundry list of sex acts before meeting and getting to know the guy a little, she's a pro.

[JZLizard]

YMMV and I am sure that line blurs with the younger guys out there. If you are within 15 yrs of their age you could be BF materiel IRL.

Some of them have a thing for older guys and don't see age at all as long as they find something physically attractive about you, and if you already take good care of yourself / are well preserved, are a confident person, have visible career success, etc. , then some of these girls 25 years younger still consider you BF material.

I take that in a different direction, however. Whenever I get that sort of vibe from them, I try to explain how important NSA is to me and that I should never be viewed as BF material. I try to cover that in my first e-mail or two. Why? First because its true in my case, but more importantly I think it enhances sex.

When a female is lining you up for long-term material, she is focusing too much on the future rather than good solid here-and-now fucking. I want her to fuck me like she's never going see me again. I don't want to hear "I can't believe I just did that, I've never blown a guy on the first date before" or other excuses they come up with in order to present the pollyana wifey material image. I want them to be in experimental mode, real and raw and unencumbered by thoughts, doubts or worries.

[IluvSmellyFish]

The main problem with these stories is that they give the impression that a girl on a sugar site can get $450 a date for an hour worth of time. Which is what I remember the girl in that story mentioning.

The problem is that it basically turns the sugar scene into an "upscale" backpage. Don't get me wrong now, I have paid that level for a high end escort, but the vibe is completely different and more in line with that story. The expectation is for sex and little more. At that level, multipops had to be on the table, and although I didn't partake in all the extras, I got the impression that some services were mandatory. For example, most high end girls would ask me just to not cum in their eyes or hair if I wanted to give them a facial. Almost all were releived when I told them that certain services that they offered were just not my thing. Based on my conversations with them during our sessions, lots of guys they saw were nice, but demanding because of the amount that they were paying.

Based on the story, it sounded like the writer was asked to provide and receive some of those services (e. G. Nipple clamps, light bondage, s&m, etc) and that she had her "daddies" on a clock (e. G. An hour of her time). Nothing wrong with that if she was into it, but if she wasn't, then she is basically an escort for hire, not an sb. Sure she might consider herself "low volume" but you'd be surprised how small the client lists are for some of these upscale escorts. Yes. There have been multiple occassions where a service or a provider sends out a blast marketing email, but forgets to bcc: the list and exposes everyone's email. What's even more unbeleivable is the fact that some guys are using their real or work email addresses. Yes. I recognized a few upstanding folks from my own region. I have of course deleted those emails, but the point being, just because the girl in the story is "only" banging three or four guys a month doesn't mean she's an sb and not an escort. And not that anyone here was trying to make that connection, but rather, her story seemed to question whether she was an sb because of her low volume or a wh@*e because she was being paid for sex. I submit she was the latter because it sounds like sex was the only thing on the table (although the story mentioned trips and such) and because she had her daddies on a clock.

After only a few weeks in the bowl, from my perspective and my experience its about the relationship. With my sb2, I was reviewing her resume two weeks ago, editing it, and coaching her through questions she was likely going to be asked and giving her advice on the answers she should give. Sure, I spent anywhere between $300-$450 on our dates, but the allowance was always significantly less than the amount spent on the date itself. If she had two or three other "daddies" I wouldn't have cared. The time we spent together was similar to dating, but with an understanding that it wasn't going to lead to more. I think from her perspective, she was ok with that since she found me attractive, and would have probably dated me anyway. And the extra sugar made the prospect of not having a real future easier to deal with. In many ways it was more honest since I'm sure plenty of guys on normal dating sites like match wine and dine girls, bang them, and then dump them when they need someone different or get bored.

It's also why I don't gravitate as much towards the profiles that give off the UTR vibe. Sure, its awesome if you can find a great deal like HWG did (see his past few posts) but if an unreviewed girl without an agency to stand behind her wants $450-$500 a date or a monthly allowance of $2,000 + a month to "date" then I will take a pass. Sure there might be some exceptions I might make, but if the girl is a dead fish in bed, then I just pissed away my money. On the other hand a provider with a reputation to uphold or an agency to stand behind her (yes, when I had a bad experience, every solid agency made it up to me because they value thier client relationships) is a lot easier to deal with.

I suspect that over time, with trust and a great relationship, I could get to the levels that some of these gilts this month have been asking for. The allowance is earned, and if a young lady has GPS, there better be gold between those legs. And I prefer to verify before I trust.

Long story short, we all have different reasons and desires in the bowl. As for the writer of the story that was posted. My two cents. She should just create her own escort website rather than playing in the bowl. Sadly though, after she graduates and realizes how hard life really is after school, and trying to start a real career, chances are she probably will.

Yes, she is very far on the side of a UTR escort. Notice she said not one of her johns knows her real name. That's 100% escort behavior. A lot of those types like the term "sugar baby" because it sounds better, and I guess they figure if SD sites are their primary marketing mechanism it makes them an SB. Oddly enough she still describes herself as a wh___.

[LikeMike1963]

I would consider her more of an UTR than a sugar baby. SB's are not by the hour. SBs generally have some sort of actual connection with their SD. Yes money is a priority but there is more between them. Anyway. Thats my 2 pennies. But I guess we all misrepresent the way things really are to make ourselves feel better in some fashion.

http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to...ege-sugar-baby

Here's a pretty good, honest self appraisal from a "real live" SB. I totally buy her story. She acts but doesn't feel, gives good service to her SDs, but suffers the emotional consequences.

[FredMoore]

Agree with F. Scott. This is not really SD-SB dynamics, while there are certainly grey areas where one is hard to define what exactly is going on.

Just my 2 see.

I am in the camp desiring emotional attachment in my baby. Otherwise full on escorts would do just fine. I need at least the appearance of attachment and bareback activities all the way. Most of my longer term babies care about me, but I know they are in the same camp as this blog girl. Her case goes to the discussions we regularly have about "is she (an escort) or isn't she?" She had multiple Daddies (3?) which is more the rule than the exception I would think. We might catch them in infancy and be their only one for a while, but if the stay in this world they will expand to bigger things. Why wouldn't they? The money is so easy. We SDs are the same. One is never enough, so if we have enough time and money we will collect as many young SBs as we can. Variety is the spice -Right? They are all selling their bodies for money, so the strict definition of what to call them is somewhat moot. I think we are fooling ourselves if we think a lot of these girls are fascinated with us to the point of having a GF mentality, that they are monogamous with us and dreaming about us all day. This world is NSA in their minds as well. We might be cute, fun, interesting, and sexy (for men 20 to 40 yrs their senior)) ,but we are still ATMs. They have fun with us, collect their $ ,then go home to their BF, their posse, and their life.

YMMV and I am sure that line blurs with the younger guys out there. If you are within 15 yrs of their age you could be BF materiel IRL.