"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[IluvSmellyFish]

The main problem with these stories is that they give the impression that a girl on a sugar site can get $450 a date for an hour worth of time. Which is what I remember the girl in that story mentioning.

The problem is that it basically turns the sugar scene into an "upscale" backpage. Don't get me wrong now, I have paid that level for a high end escort, but the vibe is completely different and more in line with that story. The expectation is for sex and little more. At that level, multipops had to be on the table, and although I didn't partake in all the extras, I got the impression that some services were mandatory. For example, most high end girls would ask me just to not cum in their eyes or hair if I wanted to give them a facial. Almost all were releived when I told them that certain services that they offered were just not my thing. Based on my conversations with them during our sessions, lots of guys they saw were nice, but demanding because of the amount that they were paying.

Based on the story, it sounded like the writer was asked to provide and receive some of those services (e. G. Nipple clamps, light bondage, s&m, etc) and that she had her "daddies" on a clock (e. G. An hour of her time). Nothing wrong with that if she was into it, but if she wasn't, then she is basically an escort for hire, not an sb. Sure she might consider herself "low volume" but you'd be surprised how small the client lists are for some of these upscale escorts. Yes. There have been multiple occassions where a service or a provider sends out a blast marketing email, but forgets to bcc: the list and exposes everyone's email. What's even more unbeleivable is the fact that some guys are using their real or work email addresses. Yes. I recognized a few upstanding folks from my own region. I have of course deleted those emails, but the point being, just because the girl in the story is "only" banging three or four guys a month doesn't mean she's an sb and not an escort. And not that anyone here was trying to make that connection, but rather, her story seemed to question whether she was an sb because of her low volume or a wh@*e because she was being paid for sex. I submit she was the latter because it sounds like sex was the only thing on the table (although the story mentioned trips and such) and because she had her daddies on a clock.

After only a few weeks in the bowl, from my perspective and my experience its about the relationship. With my sb2, I was reviewing her resume two weeks ago, editing it, and coaching her through questions she was likely going to be asked and giving her advice on the answers she should give. Sure, I spent anywhere between $300-$450 on our dates, but the allowance was always significantly less than the amount spent on the date itself. If she had two or three other "daddies" I wouldn't have cared. The time we spent together was similar to dating, but with an understanding that it wasn't going to lead to more. I think from her perspective, she was ok with that since she found me attractive, and would have probably dated me anyway. And the extra sugar made the prospect of not having a real future easier to deal with. In many ways it was more honest since I'm sure plenty of guys on normal dating sites like match wine and dine girls, bang them, and then dump them when they need someone different or get bored.

It's also why I don't gravitate as much towards the profiles that give off the UTR vibe. Sure, its awesome if you can find a great deal like HWG did (see his past few posts) but if an unreviewed girl without an agency to stand behind her wants $450-$500 a date or a monthly allowance of $2,000 + a month to "date" then I will take a pass. Sure there might be some exceptions I might make, but if the girl is a dead fish in bed, then I just pissed away my money. On the other hand a provider with a reputation to uphold or an agency to stand behind her (yes, when I had a bad experience, every solid agency made it up to me because they value thier client relationships) is a lot easier to deal with.

I suspect that over time, with trust and a great relationship, I could get to the levels that some of these gilts this month have been asking for. The allowance is earned, and if a young lady has GPS, there better be gold between those legs. And I prefer to verify before I trust.

Long story short, we all have different reasons and desires in the bowl. As for the writer of the story that was posted. My two cents. She should just create her own escort website rather than playing in the bowl. Sadly though, after she graduates and realizes how hard life really is after school, and trying to start a real career, chances are she probably will.

Yes, she is very far on the side of a UTR escort. Notice she said not one of her johns knows her real name. That's 100% escort behavior. A lot of those types like the term "sugar baby" because it sounds better, and I guess they figure if SD sites are their primary marketing mechanism it makes them an SB. Oddly enough she still describes herself as a wh___.

[LikeMike1963]

I would consider her more of an UTR than a sugar baby. SB's are not by the hour. SBs generally have some sort of actual connection with their SD. Yes money is a priority but there is more between them. Anyway. Thats my 2 pennies. But I guess we all misrepresent the way things really are to make ourselves feel better in some fashion.

http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to...ege-sugar-baby

Here's a pretty good, honest self appraisal from a "real live" SB. I totally buy her story. She acts but doesn't feel, gives good service to her SDs, but suffers the emotional consequences.

[FredMoore]

Agree with F. Scott. This is not really SD-SB dynamics, while there are certainly grey areas where one is hard to define what exactly is going on.

Just my 2 see.

I am in the camp desiring emotional attachment in my baby. Otherwise full on escorts would do just fine. I need at least the appearance of attachment and bareback activities all the way. Most of my longer term babies care about me, but I know they are in the same camp as this blog girl. Her case goes to the discussions we regularly have about "is she (an escort) or isn't she?" She had multiple Daddies (3?) which is more the rule than the exception I would think. We might catch them in infancy and be their only one for a while, but if the stay in this world they will expand to bigger things. Why wouldn't they? The money is so easy. We SDs are the same. One is never enough, so if we have enough time and money we will collect as many young SBs as we can. Variety is the spice -Right? They are all selling their bodies for money, so the strict definition of what to call them is somewhat moot. I think we are fooling ourselves if we think a lot of these girls are fascinated with us to the point of having a GF mentality, that they are monogamous with us and dreaming about us all day. This world is NSA in their minds as well. We might be cute, fun, interesting, and sexy (for men 20 to 40 yrs their senior)) ,but we are still ATMs. They have fun with us, collect their $ ,then go home to their BF, their posse, and their life.

YMMV and I am sure that line blurs with the younger guys out there. If you are within 15 yrs of their age you could be BF materiel IRL.

[HollywoodGuy]

If they're pros, UTRs or Nando 1's, who cares how cheaply you can fuck them?

Fish in a barrel are just that, fish in a barrel.

Peace,

Scott.

I care. LOL. Good cheap GFE pussy is hard to find. And she was good. I cant always wait around for the next NP.

[F Scott]

http://www.premula.com/editorials/?i=vanedebesi&lang=EN

This one has to TGTBT but she won't stop messaging me. LOL.
She is asking for CIA. Cash in advance. Not likely.

There are so many UTR's and pros on the SD site in my area that I am just messaging anyone this week. A few of them did respond. But its always the same. If they can't get a $$ or more date they will fall back on my offer from time to time. Of course once they do they know they can never go up. So they may give me a half hearted upsell or just go silent. And sometimes I get a second or third bite at the apple.

The one I banged last night is already MIA (pictured). If she pops up on the right day I will see her again. I even asked her why she was taking my $ and she said guys on the SD site were more upscale and regular so they got a discount. But guys on BP were rude and pushy so they have to pay more. Whatever. But money talks and BS walks. Today I am BS. If she can't get a $$ date she may txt me later. We'll see.

If they're pros, UTRs or Nando 1's, who cares how cheaply you can fuck them?

Fish in a barrel are just that, fish in a barrel.

Peace,

Scott.

[HollywoodGuy]

http://www.premula.com/editorials/?i=vanedebesi&lang=EN

This one has to TGTBT but she won't stop messaging me. LOL.
She is asking for CIA. Cash in advance. Not likely.

There are so many UTR's and pros on the SD site in my area that I am just messaging anyone this week. A few of them did respond. But its always the same. If they can't get a $$ or more date they will fall back on my offer from time to time. Of course once they do they know they can never go up. So they may give me a half hearted upsell or just go silent. And sometimes I get a second or third bite at the apple.

The one I banged last night is already MIA (pictured). If she pops up on the right day I will see her again. I even asked her why she was taking my $ and she said guys on the SD site were more upscale and regular so they got a discount. But guys on BP were rude and pushy so they have to pay more. Whatever. But money talks and BS walks. Today I am BS. If she can't get a $$ date she may txt me later. We'll see.

[HollywoodGuy]

"Get lost you nasty creep! I could throw up. Nasty guys like you are filth and filled with diseases!

And this was from me sending my 1-2-3 letter. Guess she didn't like my profile. It is a little suggestive. LOL. Never let girls like this get you down. I see her on the site almost 24/7. Never a good sign. Most likely a want to be "pretty woman" with terminal GPS. If a girl this hot is on 24/7 for weeks at a time. You got to wonder why. After further review I see she lists her location as LAX. So maybe an overpriced pro.

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/ALLpr...o-Ca-SugarBaby

[JZLizard]

Fred,

Good find on this SBs blog entry, but if I am reading it carefully and correctly, she is fucking multiple SDs in a month, and so of course would tend to feel more like a sex worker and less like a GF. I'd like to read an entry from a baby who is in a stable, long-term relationship with one or at most two SDs. I would bet the emotional toll is somewhat less, or at least different.

Yes, she is very far on the side of a UTR escort. Notice she said not one of her johns knows her real name. That's 100% escort behavior. A lot of those types like the term "sugar baby" because it sounds better, and I guess they figure if SD sites are their primary marketing mechanism it makes them an SB. Oddly enough she still describes herself as a wh___.

[JeanSaulPartre]

Agree with F. Scott. This is not really SD-SB dynamics, while there are certainly grey areas where one is hard to define what exactly is going on.

Just my 2 see.

http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to...ege-sugar-baby

Here's a pretty good, honest self appraisal from a "real live" SB. I totally buy her story. She acts but doesn't feel, gives good service to her SDs, but suffers the emotional consequences.

[HollywoodGuy]

I searched around a bit and found my newest girls pro ad asking $$.5 an hour. I managed to get her for $ for two hours last night. So not too disappointed. I new it was TGTBT. But had a couple cute new girls message me this morning. I will still go back to see her tonite if I can. As the "special" rate she gave me could end at anytime. And that is usually what happens in these situations.

[F Scott]

http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to...ege-sugar-baby

Here's a pretty good, honest self appraisal from a "real live" SB. I totally buy her story. She acts but doesn't feel, gives good service to her SDs, but suffers the emotional consequences.

Fred,

Good find on this SBs blog entry, but if I am reading it carefully and correctly, she is fucking multiple SDs in a month, and so of course would tend to feel more like a sex worker and less like a GF. I'd like to read an entry from a baby who is in a stable, long-term relationship with one or at most two SDs. I would bet the emotional toll is somewhat less, or at least different.

I've had many conversations with my LT babies over the years, and they all say they are comfortable with the situation we had. The way I structure the sugar, it is more like a gift than a payment, so perhaps that helps a bit. In the end, though, no one held a gun to their heads to force them to sign up, respond to my contacts, or agree to start, and stay in, a relationship with me.

That said, anything having to do with sex and emotions is a complicated arena.

Peace,

Scott.

[FredMoore]

http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to...ege-sugar-baby

Here's a pretty good, honest self appraisal from a "real live" SB. I totally buy her story. She acts but doesn't feel, gives good service to her SDs, but suffers the emotional consequences.

[FredMoore]

For those of us who have to be very discreet and hence cannot be seen in public with a woman other than the missus what are some of the places to do the first M&G?

Also what kind of SA membership do you guys usually buy? Monthly and extend it if a SB cannot be located by then?

I go month to month. SA is good and doesn't repeat bill. SDFM is not.

Read the entire thread for all the plums therein. All this has been covered many times.

Nando 1 =desperately needy girls usually in financial or legal trouble. They are easy but will eat you up with constant drama.

FC=fuck chamber (hotel, apartment, etc).

M&G site =the million dollar question. I agree Hotel is the best bet. Just make sure that it's bar or restaurant is not a dining site for the local crowd. I met an Sb in a upscale Hotel and one of my work associates was there. OOPS! It's hard to explain being with a 22 yr old tattooed babe. She did not match the profile of a business associate. Busted! Try a low to mid level travel lodge type of place near the airport, that has a restaurant but is not a bar scene or have award winning cuisine.

Coffee shop is safest because I am always in one so it is easy to explain away a "chance" encounter with a young girl. I am fortunate to be in a teaching related business where I can explain away seeing a student in public. But those shops are crammed, noisy, and definitely not intimate.

My ideal investment is to buy a coffee shop on a college campus. Pots in there every single day! Talk about a kid in a candy shop!

[IluvSmellyFish]

For a discrete m&g, I'd recommend a hotel bar. It hurts the wallet because hotels are generally overpriced, but generally the only people at a hotel are folks from out of town. Besides. If the m&g leads to the FC, you save the cost of a cab or don't have to give the pot a ride or have her follow you. You can just book the room there and go tight on up.

If you have concerns that the hotel staff might know you or recognize you, then that problem exists anywhere in public.

Others with more experience than me have posted about taking on activities that would require interaction with younger ladies. I. e. Volunteering at a local college, mentoring students, joining a professional organization, etc. These types of activities also provide cover for dates. If your SO likes the fact that you're a career oriented man, then professinal organizations may be a great way of providing double cover.

For those of us who have to be very discreet and hence cannot be seen in public with a woman other than the missus what are some of the places to do the first M&G?

Also what kind of SA membership do you guys usually buy? Monthly and extend it if a SB cannot be located by then?

[PghGuy2005]

What do FC, Nando mean?

Please explain other frequently used acronyms so that I do not have to ask again!