"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**HollywoodGuy** · 01-22-15 02:59

Originally Posted by FScott [View Original Post]

If they're pros, UTRs or Nando 1's, who cares how cheaply you can fuck them?

Fish in a barrel are just that, fish in a barrel.

Peace,

Scott.

I care. LOL. Good cheap GFE pussy is hard to find. And she was good. I cant always wait around for the next NP.

**F Scott** · 01-22-15 01:11

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

http://www.premula.com/editorials/?i=vanedebesi&lang=EN

This one has to TGTBT but she won't stop messaging me. LOL.
She is asking for CIA. Cash in advance. Not likely.

There are so many UTR's and pros on the SD site in my area that I am just messaging anyone this week. A few of them did respond. But its always the same. If they can't get a $$ or more date they will fall back on my offer from time to time. Of course once they do they know they can never go up. So they may give me a half hearted upsell or just go silent. And sometimes I get a second or third bite at the apple.

The one I banged last night is already MIA (pictured). If she pops up on the right day I will see her again. I even asked her why she was taking my $ and she said guys on the SD site were more upscale and regular so they got a discount. But guys on BP were rude and pushy so they have to pay more. Whatever. But money talks and BS walks. Today I am BS. If she can't get a $$ date she may txt me later. We'll see.

If they're pros, UTRs or Nando 1's, who cares how cheaply you can fuck them?

Fish in a barrel are just that, fish in a barrel.

Peace,

Scott.

**HollywoodGuy** · 01-21-15 23:20

http://www.premula.com/editorials/?i=vanedebesi&lang=EN

This one has to TGTBT but she won't stop messaging me. LOL.
She is asking for CIA. Cash in advance. Not likely.

There are so many UTR's and pros on the SD site in my area that I am just messaging anyone this week. A few of them did respond. But its always the same. If they can't get a $$ or more date they will fall back on my offer from time to time. Of course once they do they know they can never go up. So they may give me a half hearted upsell or just go silent. And sometimes I get a second or third bite at the apple.

The one I banged last night is already MIA (pictured). If she pops up on the right day I will see her again. I even asked her why she was taking my $ and she said guys on the SD site were more upscale and regular so they got a discount. But guys on BP were rude and pushy so they have to pay more. Whatever. But money talks and BS walks. Today I am BS. If she can't get a $$ date she may txt me later. We'll see.

**HollywoodGuy** · 01-21-15 18:53

"Get lost you nasty creep! I could throw up. Nasty guys like you are filth and filled with diseases!

And this was from me sending my 1-2-3 letter. Guess she didn't like my profile. It is a little suggestive. LOL. Never let girls like this get you down. I see her on the site almost 24/7. Never a good sign. Most likely a want to be "pretty woman" with terminal GPS. If a girl this hot is on 24/7 for weeks at a time. You got to wonder why. After further review I see she lists her location as LAX. So maybe an overpriced pro.

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/ALLpr...o-Ca-SugarBaby

**JZLizard** · 01-21-15 18:39

Originally Posted by FScott [View Original Post]

Fred,

Good find on this SBs blog entry, but if I am reading it carefully and correctly, she is fucking multiple SDs in a month, and so of course would tend to feel more like a sex worker and less like a GF. I'd like to read an entry from a baby who is in a stable, long-term relationship with one or at most two SDs. I would bet the emotional toll is somewhat less, or at least different.

Yes, she is very far on the side of a UTR escort. Notice she said not one of her johns knows her real name. That's 100% escort behavior. A lot of those types like the term "sugar baby" because it sounds better, and I guess they figure if SD sites are their primary marketing mechanism it makes them an SB. Oddly enough she still describes herself as a wh___.

**JeanSaulPartre** · 01-21-15 16:54

Agree with F. Scott. This is not really SD-SB dynamics, while there are certainly grey areas where one is hard to define what exactly is going on.

Just my 2 see.

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to...ege-sugar-baby

Here's a pretty good, honest self appraisal from a "real live" SB. I totally buy her story. She acts but doesn't feel, gives good service to her SDs, but suffers the emotional consequences.

**HollywoodGuy** · 01-21-15 15:07

I searched around a bit and found my newest girls pro ad asking $$.5 an hour. I managed to get her for $ for two hours last night. So not too disappointed. I new it was TGTBT. But had a couple cute new girls message me this morning. I will still go back to see her tonite if I can. As the "special" rate she gave me could end at anytime. And that is usually what happens in these situations.

**F Scott** · 01-21-15 14:37

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to...ege-sugar-baby

Here's a pretty good, honest self appraisal from a "real live" SB. I totally buy her story. She acts but doesn't feel, gives good service to her SDs, but suffers the emotional consequences.

Fred,

Good find on this SBs blog entry, but if I am reading it carefully and correctly, she is fucking multiple SDs in a month, and so of course would tend to feel more like a sex worker and less like a GF. I'd like to read an entry from a baby who is in a stable, long-term relationship with one or at most two SDs. I would bet the emotional toll is somewhat less, or at least different.

I've had many conversations with my LT babies over the years, and they all say they are comfortable with the situation we had. The way I structure the sugar, it is more like a gift than a payment, so perhaps that helps a bit. In the end, though, no one held a gun to their heads to force them to sign up, respond to my contacts, or agree to start, and stay in, a relationship with me.

That said, anything having to do with sex and emotions is a complicated arena.

Peace,

Scott.

**FredMoore** · 01-21-15 14:19

http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to...ege-sugar-baby

Here's a pretty good, honest self appraisal from a "real live" SB. I totally buy her story. She acts but doesn't feel, gives good service to her SDs, but suffers the emotional consequences.

**FredMoore** · 01-21-15 12:25

Originally Posted by PghGuy2005 [View Original Post]

For those of us who have to be very discreet and hence cannot be seen in public with a woman other than the missus what are some of the places to do the first M&G?

Also what kind of SA membership do you guys usually buy? Monthly and extend it if a SB cannot be located by then?

I go month to month. SA is good and doesn't repeat bill. SDFM is not.

Read the entire thread for all the plums therein. All this has been covered many times.

Nando 1 =desperately needy girls usually in financial or legal trouble. They are easy but will eat you up with constant drama.

FC=fuck chamber (hotel, apartment, etc).

M&G site =the million dollar question. I agree Hotel is the best bet. Just make sure that it's bar or restaurant is not a dining site for the local crowd. I met an Sb in a upscale Hotel and one of my work associates was there. OOPS! It's hard to explain being with a 22 yr old tattooed babe. She did not match the profile of a business associate. Busted! Try a low to mid level travel lodge type of place near the airport, that has a restaurant but is not a bar scene or have award winning cuisine.

Coffee shop is safest because I am always in one so it is easy to explain away a "chance" encounter with a young girl. I am fortunate to be in a teaching related business where I can explain away seeing a student in public. But those shops are crammed, noisy, and definitely not intimate.

My ideal investment is to buy a coffee shop on a college campus. Pots in there every single day! Talk about a kid in a candy shop!

**IluvSmellyFish** · 01-21-15 11:41

For a discrete m&g, I'd recommend a hotel bar. It hurts the wallet because hotels are generally overpriced, but generally the only people at a hotel are folks from out of town. Besides. If the m&g leads to the FC, you save the cost of a cab or don't have to give the pot a ride or have her follow you. You can just book the room there and go tight on up.

If you have concerns that the hotel staff might know you or recognize you, then that problem exists anywhere in public.

Others with more experience than me have posted about taking on activities that would require interaction with younger ladies. I. e. Volunteering at a local college, mentoring students, joining a professional organization, etc. These types of activities also provide cover for dates. If your SO likes the fact that you're a career oriented man, then professinal organizations may be a great way of providing double cover.

Originally Posted by PghGuy2005 [View Original Post]

For those of us who have to be very discreet and hence cannot be seen in public with a woman other than the missus what are some of the places to do the first M&G?

Also what kind of SA membership do you guys usually buy? Monthly and extend it if a SB cannot be located by then?

**PghGuy2005** · 01-21-15 11:30

What do FC, Nando mean?

Please explain other frequently used acronyms so that I do not have to ask again!

**FredMoore** · 01-21-15 10:06

Bowl Struggles:

Hollywood is right as usual IMHO. $ is super difficult and unique to only certain markets. In my area UTRs, usually Nando 1 types are the only takers. $. 5 to $$ is doable for a short run, longer only if you can take them out for a good time before the FC. $$ is no problem with the majority. Large allowances answer the above difficulties and girls will overlook the dating piece for enough $. Never forget that SBs are here for help with their finances.

Dating is necessary to an extent. NSA is one thing, but very few girls will meet in the FC for an hour or two without some prelim dinner or drinks.

Ergo, Sugar Dating in his home town for a man with a SO if difficult if not impossible. Escorting answers many problems but not if you desire the GFE low mileage uncovered sweet young thing.

**HollywoodGuy** · 01-21-15 03:55

yesterdays post.

"LOL that was a long message but I like that you don't beat around the Bush. Your upfront with what you want and I'm the same way. I think that we could definitely setup a good arrangement. And I never had anyone complain about my (blank) skills. I would like to meet sometime if your interested my number is (blank) you can shoot me a text if you'd like ".

todays results.

So I went to see the above mentioned girl tonite. She was a 6.5/8/8/8. I am sure with a little fixing up and training she could be a 7/8.5/9/9. Not bad for a first date, and there will be more. Like tomorrow night. She was a quick 30 minute drive away, had her own clean apt in a gated complex in an all white area. In L. A. only a third of the population is white, so its worth noting. She just breezed into town a month ago and has been UTRing her way up fast. She is a southern white trashy girl but I'm cool with that. I like down to earth types. Now that she got the apt she went straight to the SD site. Yesterday was her first or second day on the site. She is the first white girl I have banged in 2.5 years and she fucks damn good for a white girl and also seems to have no gag reflex. She was a petite 5'1' 110 lbs and firm. I definitely hit a home run in the $ bowl with this one. Pictures and more follow up to come tomorrow night after date two.

I messaged her at midnite last nite. She messaged me back at noon today. I was in her FC by 9 tonite. So 21 hours from start to finish. I was whistling to the music all the way home.

**IluvSmellyFish** · 01-21-15 00:09

Mid January, and I'm back to square 1. A few pots in the works, a few M&G's set up, and one second date with a pot I met last week. My take on the bowl. Very few new profiles in my market so the babies that are still on the market are all GPS. They may have had a relationship with what they call a "true SD" and seem to be trying to re-create it. Most of the girls that immediately want to talk about allowance before the M&G are insisting that they had daddies who were generous enough to give them $2,500 - $5,000 a month for 4-6 dates. At that amount, its equivalent to a salary of about $50,000 - $100,000 a year (accounting for taxes and such).

The problem with these girls is that they are attempting to recreate what they had with a limited pool of guys. The number of guys in any market who are making enough to give that amount to a baby are just way to limited (It means that the guy has to be pulling in $200 k plus a year, and that's without a mortgage, SO, kids, car payments, etc.) Also, if a guy is making that much money, he's going to be rotating SBs, and after a few months, will replace a baby with a new fresh face that comes onto the scene. Making it even more difficult is that there are more babies than there are daddies on all these sites.

At the end of the day, a SB who is looking for her white whale will end up having very little luck. If you're a relatively attractive, nice, fun and decent guy, the odds are greatly in your favor.

I just need to keep that in mind as I rebuild my rotation...and also need to remember not to post too much info in my Jan. report...