"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[BamBam]

I am very new to the SD / SB game. I live in Kansas which is very conservative. I live about 3. 5 hours from where I plan on seeing the girls. I travel there about 2-3 times per month for business. I contacted about 15 girls in the first 2 weeks. Some had GPS and wanted 750-1000 per visit. I am trying to do a per visit since I live so far away. I contacted a 30 year old brunette who wants a 650 allowance. I finally got her to agree to a 200 per visit and then 15 minutes later she wanted money for car repairs. When I refused she broke off the agreement. She contacted me a week later and said she had a friend that was interested. Sent me a picture of her, but wanted a finders fee to introduce us? Not interested- feel like something is too weird there.

2 nod response was a 19 year old student. I offered her a 140 per visit and her response was that was"literally the lowest anyone had ever offered her, and that she couldn't see me". I contacted her several days later and offered her 200 per visit. She was interested, but said she had moved to a new apartment and her old landlord had thrown her bed out, so she needed a bed and would I buy her one. Not very interested in this. Told her that and she blew me off. I let her sit for a week and contacted her and asked about the bed and said she still didn't have one. Her brew proficiency pic shows her laying on a blanket on the floor. I looked for bed set online and think I could get her one for about 350. Am I stupid for even considering this?

Tell her you will bring her a bed and then get one like this: http://www.amazon.com/Intex-Classic-...rds=inflatable+bed.

If she is lousy or doesn't like it, you can always take it home with you. LOL.

RB.

[BamBam]

So I have been on Tinder and I see a lot of spammers. However, I got hit up by this asian chick. She is Thai and Koren and goes by the name of Mersayde. I found her facebook page and we met up for drinks and she seemed cool but I couldn't tell if she was more of a sugar baby or straight up pro. After a lot of texting I am going to meet her next week. She says she works at Hollister and came to the use earlier this year and already has a house. Something was fishy but she finally quoted me a price for a good time. I have tried to find intel and other than her facebook page nothing really of substance. Below are her pics would love to see if anyone has met this chick. Thanks Attachment 346936Attachment 346937.

http://badoo.com/01287971253/ Mersayde Kymm, 33.

RB.

[HollywoodGuy]

About 2 months ago I did a M&G over dinner with this 26 year old mixed latina MILF. We txted here and there and then all of a sudden she txts me today and says she wants to go to the FC. Seeing her tonite for $. She is driving 30 miles to see me. Intercourse is not guaranteed. I do that a lot to take the pressure off the girl. 50% of the time it leads to fucking, add another 20% or so for oral. So usually only one out of 3 or 4 goes to a HJ. And if there is a second date its gotta be for fucking (or no second date. LOL). This is why I dont understand all these guys that go to AMP's. They are basically paying the same or more for a super high mileage girl. I doubt this girl has had sex in 6 months. I forget what she said, but it had been a while.

[HollywoodGuy]

So I have been on Tinder and I see a lot of spammers. However, I got hit up by this asian chick. She is Thai and Koren and goes by the name of Mersayde. I found her facebook page and we met up for drinks and she seemed cool but I couldn't tell if she was more of a sugar baby or straight up pro. After a lot of texting I am going to meet her next week. She says she works at Hollister and came to the use earlier this year and already has a house. Something was fishy but she finally quoted me a price for a good time. I have tried to find intel and other than her facebook page nothing really of substance. Below are her pics would love to see if anyone has met this chick. Thanks Attachment 346936Attachment 346937.

If she is willing to take $.5 or less for a date she is an NP. If she wants $$.5 or more she is a UTR / PRO. She is asian and they always do want more. But even in L. A. any asian asking $$ or more is a pro or gps.

[Old Local Guy]

I am very new to the SD / SB game. I live in Kansas which is very conservative. I live about 3. 5 hours from where I plan on seeing the girls. I travel there about 2-3 times per month for business. I contacted about 15 girls in the first 2 weeks. Some had GPS and wanted 750-1000 per visit. I am trying to do a per visit since I live so far away. I contacted a 30 year old brunette who wants a 650 allowance. I finally got her to agree to a 200 per visit and then 15 minutes later she wanted money for car repairs. When I refused she broke off the agreement. She contacted me a week later and said she had a friend that was interested. Sent me a picture of her, but wanted a finders fee to introduce us? Not interested- feel like something is too weird there.

2 nod response was a 19 year old student. I offered her a 140 per visit and her response was that was"literally the lowest anyone had ever offered her, and that she couldn't see me". I contacted her several days later and offered her 200 per visit. She was interested, but said she had moved to a new apartment and her old landlord had thrown her bed out, so she needed a bed and would I buy her one. Not very interested in this. Told her that and she blew me off. I let her sit for a week and contacted her and asked about the bed and said she still didn't have one. Her brew proficiency pic shows her laying on a blanket on the floor. I looked for bed set online and think I could get her one for about 350. Am I stupid for even considering this?

Yep you are IMHO.

[Zman429]

I looked for bed set online and think I could get her one for about 350. Am I stupid for even considering this?

Offer to meet her at a hotel on your next visit and tell her you can get her the bed afterwards. If she balks you know the deal.

[Ltnric]

So I have been on Tinder and I see a lot of spammers. However, I got hit up by this asian chick. She is Thai and Koren and goes by the name of Mersayde. I found her facebook page and we met up for drinks and she seemed cool but I couldn't tell if she was more of a sugar baby or straight up pro. After a lot of texting I am going to meet her next week. She says she works at Hollister and came to the use earlier this year and already has a house. Something was fishy but she finally quoted me a price for a good time. I have tried to find intel and other than her facebook page nothing really of substance. Below are her pics would love to see if anyone has met this chick. Thanks .

[HollywoodGuy]

So we txted a little and decided to meet for $. 5 (one time only) and then it drops back to $1. 2. So I did negotiate but this minor amount is not a mood killer. She is a 9 in bed and she is a 19 year old first timer. Lets see if I can get some pics. She declined last time.

Went on my date with my new 20 year old (not 19, her birthday was last week it turns out). So, long story short I agreed to pay her $.5 for the first two dates and $.2 for date 3 onward. Date two was awesome and I skipped round two as there was not enough time for me to recover before having to take her home. Great oral skills, the kind where they just linger over you forever, savoring your ass, cock and balls like it was creme brulee. Nice, tight and always wet kitty that needs no encouragement to get started. Great meaty nipples to suck on and a great kisser as well. This girl came along just at the right moment when some other girls are fading a bit. She is good for twice a week if I can manage it. There is no going out, just straight sex from the moment we walk through the door till its time to leave. No time waster here. And for the moment she is exclusive.

[BeardedMan67]

I am very new to the SD / SB game. I live in Kansas which is very conservative. I live about 3. 5 hours from where I plan on seeing the girls. I travel there about 2-3 times per month for business. I contacted about 15 girls in the first 2 weeks. Some had GPS and wanted 750-1000 per visit. I am trying to do a per visit since I live so far away. I contacted a 30 year old brunette who wants a 650 allowance. I finally got her to agree to a 200 per visit and then 15 minutes later she wanted money for car repairs. When I refused she broke off the agreement. She contacted me a week later and said she had a friend that was interested. Sent me a picture of her, but wanted a finders fee to introduce us? Not interested- feel like something is too weird there.

2 nod response was a 19 year old student. I offered her a 140 per visit and her response was that was"literally the lowest anyone had ever offered her, and that she couldn't see me". I contacted her several days later and offered her 200 per visit. She was interested, but said she had moved to a new apartment and her old landlord had thrown her bed out, so she needed a bed and would I buy her one. Not very interested in this. Told her that and she blew me off. I let her sit for a week and contacted her and asked about the bed and said she still didn't have one. Her brew proficiency pic shows her laying on a blanket on the floor. I looked for bed set online and think I could get her one for about 350. Am I stupid for even considering this?

[DirtyDeeds38]

When I was younger and married I was much more in the category of enjoying the risk itself, and my need for variety was far less controllable. In fact the urges were so great that I think I would have always been somewhat dissatisfied in my marriage until I pursued those urges.

These days it's a bit different. As much as I do crave the variety, I don't have the need to pursue risk just for the sake of risk, because I have so many years of it under my belt that there is kind of a "been there, done that" feeling. And as you said, my relationship is very rewarding in itself, so I have very little motivation to do anything that would threaten it.

The only time I get weak is when she has to travel to deal with family matters, I get a sudden sense of boredom and not knowing what to do with myself, then my mind starts to work in adventurous ways. I decide to travel to some new area just for a change of scenery and to cure the boredom, and since nobody knows me in that area, why not have a nice young piece of ass on my arm at the same time? Aside from that I actually have very little desire or motivation to cheat on her.

It sounds hard to believe but I only do it because I hate being alone when she travels, and I don't have a network of friends to hang out with during those times like I did when I was younger. When you get to my age all the friends you've made along the way are busy with their own lives, putting their kids through college, dealing with family matters and work or whatever, they are not really good candidates to "hang out with". I'm no spring chicken but I still enjoy behaving like I am sometimes just because I'm able to.

It's weird as I feel like I could have written this post myself. But I'd like to add, that once inside the bowl and you make a few connections with these incredible sexy, naïve," innocent" young women, it will without doubt, forever change you. And if in the wrong situation (wife at home, or other long standing SO) it will ruin this! Just plain straight ruin it. You will never be able to look at her the same. This is something some of you more new SD's need to consider before starting this part of the hobby. It will change you and your life significantly. The reasons are too many to list here. And in my conclusion it has lead me to believe more then ever that on a raw and evolutionary level, man was designed to spread his seed. My early adventures inside the bowl has tapped into a side of me I did not know was there. And if I had a wife at home, I would be on my way out.

[JZLizard]

Damn Maslow! Psychologically the need for variety is deep seated and has to do with protecting the species. I believe that once one's appetite and hunting skills are honed that it is near impossible to suppress it. For example JL, your relationship with the SO is rewarding in every way except variety (it seems) . Yet you will take risks to hunt and conquer prey in the face of losing what you already have. All of us are doing that here, and I suspect those on this (and other) sites are a drop in the bucket spreading their seed far and wide. How many guys are reading this blog site and quietly going about their business without signing in? A higher cortical development differentiates us from lower species--reasoning and conscience to name a few. How can some men resist it where others cannot? Our lives would be a lot less complicated if we didn't think about finding the next conquest all day long. I'll bet Warren Buffett isn't thinking about the next teenage piece of ass.

When I was younger and married I was much more in the category of enjoying the risk itself, and my need for variety was far less controllable. In fact the urges were so great that I think I would have always been somewhat dissatisfied in my marriage until I pursued those urges.

These days it's a bit different. As much as I do crave the variety, I don't have the need to pursue risk just for the sake of risk, because I have so many years of it under my belt that there is kind of a "been there, done that" feeling. And as you said, my relationship is very rewarding in itself, so I have very little motivation to do anything that would threaten it.

The only time I get weak is when she has to travel to deal with family matters, I get a sudden sense of boredom and not knowing what to do with myself, then my mind starts to work in adventurous ways. I decide to travel to some new area just for a change of scenery and to cure the boredom, and since nobody knows me in that area, why not have a nice young piece of ass on my arm at the same time? Aside from that I actually have very little desire or motivation to cheat on her.

It sounds hard to believe but I only do it because I hate being alone when she travels, and I don't have a network of friends to hang out with during those times like I did when I was younger. When you get to my age all the friends you've made along the way are busy with their own lives, putting their kids through college, dealing with family matters and work or whatever, they are not really good candidates to "hang out with". I'm no spring chicken but I still enjoy behaving like I am sometimes just because I'm able to.

[FredMoore]

What Maslow did not address (to the best of my knowledge) is that once you progress up the hierarchy and some of the higher needs are met, you still have this inner craving to dip down into the lower needs once in a while that is always knocking at the door. Maybe it's the human's way of telling you to keep your lower-rung hunting skills sharp incase some of the higher-rungs collapse and your world comes tumbling down?

Damn Maslow! Psychologically the need for variety is deep seated and has to do with protecting the species. I believe that once one's appetite and hunting skills are honed that it is near impossible to suppress it. For example JL, your relationship with the SO is rewarding in every way except variety (it seems) . Yet you will take risks to hunt and conquer prey in the face of losing what you already have. All of us are doing that here, and I suspect those on this (and other) sites are a drop in the bucket spreading their seed far and wide. How many guys are reading this blog site and quietly going about their business without signing in? A higher cortical development differentiates us from lower species--reasoning and conscience to name a few. How can some men resist it where others cannot? Our lives would be a lot less complicated if we didn't think about finding the next conquest all day long. I'll bet Warren Buffett isn't thinking about the next teenage piece of ass.

[HollywoodGuy]

So after this awesome date we agreed to do it again saturady. She just txted me that $ was too low and she was going to flake. I know that because of where she lives and her demographic that unless she is ready to go UTR she is never going to get more on a steady basis. By the time she figures that out she may lose interest all together. But I am not going to cave for $$. Even though she was a 9 in bed. Lets see how it plays out over the next few days. Whenever I get into these situations I always tell them to just go find another guy for $$ or more but to see me on an off day and I will try to fit into their schedule. Sometimes it works.

So we txted a little and decided to meet for $. 5 (one time only) and then it drops back to $1. 2. So I did negotiate but this minor amount is not a mood killer. She is a 9 in bed and she is a 19 year old first timer. Lets see if I can get some pics. She declined last time.

[JZLizard]

Excluding old age where it would be nice to have someone give a shit about your well being when you can't get it up anymore.

An ideal life would be (drum roll) Hollywood's! Oh to have fresh nubile teens mixed in with a stable of regulars every week, SIGH! It would be glorious. At the same time living alone in your own space.

JL is correct in that most of us would like to be in an IRL relationship with a bevy of babes on the side. It would be nice to be above board and have the SO accept your need for speed. But Alas, it is not to be. Every so often I see on the SA website a SB who claims to have a happy marriage where both parties have Sugar on the side. I am not so sure about my SO fucking around, so the double standard is alive and well. Most of us here are married or have an SO and are sneaking around to achieve this lifestyle. It is stressful and wears on you wondering if you will get caught.

It might go back to Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Not that anyone should accept academic psychological theories without questioning them, but just from a logical standpoint those who make studying human behavior their life goal (like Abraham Maslow) probably have more of the answers than those who don't. Basically his theory was that nobody can progress up the hierarchy to social needs (like a long term relationship) if they are struggling to meet basic needs (food / water / sex / etc). If you're always struggling to get one of the lower-hierarchy needs met, you're too busy / preoccupied to worry about the higher needs like finding a life partner. It's always made sense to me -- the times I've found myself completely outside of a relationship (for example when I was newly divorced and had to rebuild my social network of women from scratch), I cared about one thing and one thing only -- who was I going to drop my load on next? It's sort of like being inconvenienced by a swelling in my pants and struggling to fill the position of the next girl to relieve it. It was only after some time being single again and having a steady stream of women who were willing to just have fun, be my last minute booty call or whatever, did I start to feel like I was missing out on something bigger.

What Maslow did not address (to the best of my knowledge) is that once you progress up the hierarchy and some of the higher needs are met, you still have this inner craving to dip down into the lower needs once in a while that is always knocking at the door. Maybe it's the human's way of telling you to keep your lower-rung hunting skills sharp incase some of the higher-rungs collapse and your world comes tumbling down?

[HollywoodGuy]

So after having this girl get me all excited and then turning me down after hearing how she was gonna have to this and that in bed. . She txted tonite unexpectedly and said she thought it over and as long as we didn't do anything extreme we could hook-up tonite. So I drove to get her, brought her back to the FC and had one of the best first dates ever. As promised she let me pound away on her. We went for three hours and three rounds before she said she had to go home.

She was an amazing kisser and had a really cute little body with a close to perfect pussy as you would ever want to have. I loved playing with thos fim teen tits and juicy nipplesI would say she left more than happy with a good banging and a $ in sugar. In the FC, dimly lit as it were, she was a 8/9/9/9... In the bright of day more like a 6.5/8.5/9/9... Can't wait to see her again. I am really gaining an appreciation for the curvy little girls. I like spinners and the positions you can twist them into, but this girl was right there with it. I am sure we surprised each other.

So after this awesome date we agreed to do it again saturady. She just txted me that $ was too low and she was going to flake. I know that because of where she lives and her demographic that unless she is ready to go UTR she is never going to get more on a steady basis. By the time she figures that out she may lose interest all together. But I am not going to cave for $$. Even though she was a 9 in bed. Lets see how it plays out over the next few days. Whenever I get into these situations I always tell them to just go find another guy for $$ or more but to see me on an off day and I will try to fit into their schedule. Sometimes it works.