Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[Glockman]

Just out of curiosity, I have noticed tattoos seem ubiquitous in the hobby. Some of them are small, some quite large. Do you mongers like no tattoos, small ones, or the large tattoos? Any providers you know who have none at all?

Some photos of ladies with various tattoos that I have photographed over the years. As I said earlier, I prefer no tattoos. But no lady has ever asked me for my opinion!

[Daddymonger]

Fellow mongers and providers. If I know you, can I use ya' for a referral?

Jack, we have visited several of the same providers and I would gladly give you a referral; that is if she takes them from members.

[Kenwood Jack]

OK! OK! Christina, will you please see me, Kenwood Jack, now? The world needs to know! Maybe, you could just PM me.

Fellow mongers and providers. If I know you, can I use ya' for a referral?

[Daddymonger]

No tats or crazy piercings here either. I do believe I could not handle the pain.

I might regret asking, but what constitutes a crazy piercing? I have seen those large things in ears the size of a quarter and thought that was crazy.

[Kenwood Jack]

I've recently had a few clients whom usually do not come to a Masseuse for services, contact me, being honest I assume they did explain they usually shop for company / entertainment through the escort ads, they all gave me refs to call or text.

I texted these girls and one was used by two different USA members, I was told to "trust your gut because if it doesn't feel right I wouldn't!" I was also told "he's cool but tries to short change ", obviously not something I look forward to dealing with, I recently last week was told,. "He's safe but you never know who's been busted recently, a lot have!" <-that was a DEFF NO!

Well someone took the time to round up all his reviews written, then sent them to me, where several ladies replied to him saying what a wonderfully great time they had an couldn't wait until he returned, maybe I stretched that but the point is there. (That was just me, Kenwood Jack.)

The worst reply I got from a girl who I confronted about dodging me on refs requested, I was nice an I asked had I ever done something that offended her? Because I didn't mean to if I did, I hate thinking I did something wrong to anyone, even more so to another women, she replied that because she had never came to ME to get a reff, she didn't feel she OWED me any in return yet.

This blew me away, so is it a tit for tat thing now? I don't know why she has never needed to request a ref from me but to basically shun me because of that felt alienating. Maybe because I'm in "massage" an she's in "escorts" that the majority of my clients don't think my reff would pertain to her profession so he may of used a girl from the escort side to use as a ref?

I'm positive most my clients do see both, I've asked out of curiosity, the ones I think I can ask personal things to, so if I have to be used as a ref to get a reff, then I guess I'm out of options on that one?

I just wasn't aware things are done that way, I am sorry if I contacted anyone for a reff that felt I had no right to ask for one, I sincerely had no idea. The Clients are feeling about it a little different, they are saying it's a way of keeping them from seeing other girls, I hope that's not true, their not our husbands an if you really care about your Client wouldn't you rather he get in with someone who is safe an checks refs an will treat him with respect and kindness?

I'd personally rather know who else he is around to give me an idea of other things he may be interested in or it will even help me know there might be something I'm not doing that makes him seek out another provider? Most clients are not comfortable telling us if our sessions are lacking something, maybe it's just variety, you really never know and there is so many options out here I just think I'd rather see my Client with a great person, I can have several clients tell everyone here when they requested something more, asked me who out here is safe? Clean, respectful? I've given many names of girls, I don't jump on here an try to get credit for it because I don't need it, an the following session I will ask how it went? If he had a good time I may refer that girl again, I think girls should really think about it like this, I'm LICENSED, there are a lot of clients who come to me feeling it's a safer bet if the worst was to ever happen they can always point at my wall an say "Hey! I am with a professional!" It might not mean much to everyone else, but I am a BIG suggester of escorts, I've literally talked clients into it!

I've looked at ALL YOU GIRLS REVIEWS so I know I'm sending my client to someone I think he will click well with!

You have no idea how much NEW BUSINESS I've sent your way. Our bottom line is our money right! $$.

I personally sat back an counted at minimum over the last 3 yrs, 27 clients New clients whom otherwise was too scared or didn't know how things work or just needed that extra shove to pull the trigger your way, that's at least $2,700 in pockets, so although I don't get used a lot as a ref, it might be smart to answer me when I do ask you for one, you never know if a client is asking about YOU to me because they know I'm not going to send them anywhere wrong! An not responding to me, or giving me stupid info, may just get that client who was interested in YOU, steered in a different direction.

Just saying.

OK! OK! Christina, will you please see me, Kenwood Jack, now? The world needs to know! Maybe, you could just PM me.

[CurvyChristina]

Babe this is a repeated problem here and several providers have written rants (most recently by myself and stormy too-I think) about providers not giving references. And yes your clients are %100 right, it's because they don't want their clients going elsewhere. I have no problems giving refs and saftey is my priorty no matter if it's myself, yours or my clients. When one person gets popped it's causes problems for everyone because people like to snitch. (Which IMO that's a cheap way out) I even have a couple of girls I give refs to often yet they can't even say so much as a dam (Thank You). Yet when I ask for a ref they ignore me. Here is the thing tho, I won't let a provider stop me from seeing my client if she refuses to give a reference as I will just bypass her and get another or verify another way. This is why I am always glad when someone is a member because that's the first route I go. You will learn very quickly babe who gives refs and who gives a dam. The screwed up thing is that if a provider don't give a ref, they are not hurting the other provider but costing themselves biz because their client #1 don't want to see someone who is selfish and not give a shit for anyone else (including him) and #2 someone that won't verify him. It's sad that people can be like this.

Also if you send clients out way, thank you. That's very sweet of you to do that. Good luck and best wishes.

Thank you SO MUCH, because I already feel stupid texting girls I don't know, I don't know what I'm suppose to even ask, I really just want to know was he nice to you? Did he respect your boundaries?, I felt like an idiot when that guy sent me a bunch of reviews he wrote where a girl I texted replied to him an yet ignored me or scared me away from him, I felt bad for wasting his time an I kinda felt like an amateur when I really am not, I don't try often but I really do send a lot of money to escorts!

Thank you for understanding where I'm coming from and for replying to me, just because we are in different professions shouldn't mean we are not worthy of safety and respect, we as women should look out for eachother in general, I'm a MOM, I don't want to be alone in a room with a guy if he's mean or unsafe!

I will DEFF be sending people YOUR WAY!

[CurvyChristina]

I'm confused it seems from your post you are pretty much legit, I'm saying that because you've sent 27 new clients to escorts, the fact you are licensed and your overall conversation. If that is true why would you post here and why would you need a reference from an escort? It would seem to me you could get your Buisness from another source thru legit advertising not thru escorts. And as far as girls giving refs and not giving refs this has been an ongoing thing for as long as I've been on this board. I wouldn't get to worked up about it you can always check the post count of anybody on here read their post and make your own decision. HL29.

I want to say before I forget, I DON'T require refs for the most part, but I do work from my private home, so it's really just a safety concern, if a client calls or texts and says they usually see escorts or they refer to them self as a member here, they are use to needing refs, I don't ever ask for them, but if a client is offering, I will text the girl just to ask is her nice? Is he respectful? Did he respect your boundaries, if he is willing to try an prove to me he is a nice person an no one dangerous not just saying he's not a cop, but proving he is a nice person over all, being legit will still get assholes coming your way, so if a number is sent I will text or call an try to get a feel for the guy, I am going to be alone with him for an hour or longer, a lot of things can go wrong in that amount of time, so if he was mean or rough with a girl in escorting, I don't want him as a client either!

I respect escorting, they are women and human beings no matter their profession, some girls will post things here saying someone was forceful or overly aggressive, even though he won't be coming to me for the same services, if I hear he is like that to any women at all, I WON'T see him, I appreciate the ladies who get on here an send me numbers to mean guys an I do put them in my phone under the name "don't BOOK! Escorting is a very intimate profession so if he wasn't respectful to those women I don't need him in my private home, if he comes from a yellow pages ad, I will google his number an I do have another resource I have friends in specific fields I can call on to check a name or number for me, but no matter the job title I guess it's all about how he treats women in general, if he doesn't send me a reff I have no reason to check as far as escort girls, but if he does then just answer me! I won't ask anything stupid I promise!! I only want to know "was he nice? Was he respectful? " that's all!!

I never even ask "is he a cop, Just was he a nice person? But don't scare me out of seeing him! That's just wrong to play on my fears to try an keep a client because if he was calling me an I say NO, he is still going to call someone else!

[CurvyChristina]

I'm confused it seems from your post you are pretty much legit, I'm saying that because you've sent 27 new clients to escorts, the fact you are licensed and your overall conversation. If that is true why would you post here and why would you need a reference from an escort? It would seem to me you could get your Buisness from another source thru legit advertising not thru escorts. And as far as girls giving refs and not giving refs this has been an ongoing thing for as long as I've been on this board. I wouldn't get to worked up about it you can always check the post count of anybody on here read their post and make your own decision. HL29.

Hi Sweety, I have and yes I do refer my clients to escorts, I tried to explain in my earlier post, there are clients who come to see me and you form a relationship with Clients, because I have nothing against escort work, I am a women an a firm believer that our body is OURS, so if a client of mine an I are talking and I can tell he is starting to want something more, or if while talking he tells me how he has always wanted an escort, or for instance. There was at a time a client who was a virgin, a real life 30 yr old virgin, there was obvious reasons why he was still a virgin, he needed help, I felt like maybe an escort would help him get over his fears, it worked, there are so many reasons a client will see a escort or masseuse and even if a girl is legit or not, my profession and the girls in the escort profession go hand and hand, a lot of times seeing a masseuse is a stepping stone to escorts, clients will start out on a step and work their way up, going to jail is a real fear for good reason so clients who may be interested in escorts I have found will start by seeing a masseuse, then there is a companionship need for some, I have a lot of clients who will see me every week for 3 months then let me know the following week they won't make it because there's an itch that needs scratched, I'd rather know who my client is going to, or even be able to pick who he sees, this keeps me feeling safe an they trust my opinion they know I've done my homework, as far as advertising goes, all forms of advertising are good, there are clients who come here just to read, their interested but never took the plunge and have told me I'm the first person they decided to see because I seem the safest, I don't judge clients and I don't mind where they first seen my name or got my info, if your trying to ask am I legit? Well I guess you'd have to come and see, saying flat out NO I'm not! Can put me out to be investigated and saying flat out YES I'm legit could make potential clients not even try to see me, some clients find they didn't need a full service escort that it was conversation or companionship he was actually missing, I hope this helps, unfortunately there is only so many ways to explain things.

XOXOXO.

[HuntLadys29]

I've recently had a few clients whom usually do not come to a Masseuse for services, contact me, being honest I assume they did explain they usually shop for company / entertainment through the escort ads, they all gave me refs to call or text.

I texted these girls and one was used by two different USA members, I was told to "trust your gut because if it doesn't feel right I wouldn't!" I was also told "he's cool but tries to short change ", obviously not something I look forward to dealing with, I recently last week was told,. "He's safe but you never know who's been busted recently, a lot have!" <-that was a DEFF NO!

Well someone took the time to round up all his reviews written, then sent them to me, where several ladies replied to him saying what a wonderfully great time they had an couldn't wait until he returned, maybe I stretched that but the point is there.

The worst reply I got from a girl who I confronted about dodging me on refs requested, I was nice an I asked had I ever done something that offended her? Because I didn't mean to if I did, I hate thinking I did something wrong to anyone, even more so to another women, she replied that because she had never came to ME to get a reff, she didn't feel she OWED me any in return yet.

This blew me away, so is it a tit for tat thing now? I don't know why she has never needed to request a ref from me but to basically shun me because of that felt alienating. Maybe because I'm in "massage" an she's in "escorts" that the majority of my clients don't think my reff would pertain to her profession so he may of used a girl from the escort side to use as a ref?

I'm positive most my clients do see both, I've asked out of curiosity, the ones I think I can ask personal things to, so if I have to be used as a ref to get a reff, then I guess I'm out of options on that one?

I just wasn't aware things are done that way, I am sorry if I contacted anyone for a reff that felt I had no right to ask for one, I sincerely had no idea. The Clients are feeling about it a little different, they are saying it's a way of keeping them from seeing other girls, I hope that's not true, their not our husbands an if you really care about your Client wouldn't you rather he get in with someone who is safe an checks refs an will treat him with respect and kindness?

I'd personally rather know who else he is around to give me an idea of other things he may be interested in or it will even help me know there might be something I'm not doing that makes him seek out another provider? Most clients are not comfortable telling us if our sessions are lacking something, maybe it's just variety, you really never know and there is so many options out here I just think I'd rather see my Client with a great person, I can have several clients tell everyone here when they requested something more, asked me who out here is safe? Clean, respectful? I've given many names of girls, I don't jump on here an try to get credit for it because I don't need it, an the following session I will ask how it went? If he had a good time I may refer that girl again, I think girls should really think about it like this, I'm LICENSED, there are a lot of clients who come to me feeling it's a safer bet if the worst was to ever happen they can always point at my wall an say "Hey! I am with a professional!" It might not mean much to everyone else, but I am a BIG suggester of escorts, I've literally talked clients into it!

I've looked at ALL YOU GIRLS REVIEWS so I know I'm sending my client to someone I think he will click well with!

You have no idea how much NEW BUSINESS I've sent your way. Our bottom line is our money right! $$.

I personally sat back an counted at minimum over the last 3 yrs, 27 clients New clients whom otherwise was too scared or didn't know how things work or just needed that extra shove to pull the trigger your way, that's at least $2,700 in pockets, so although I don't get used a lot as a ref, it might be smart to answer me when I do ask you for one, you never know if a client is asking about YOU to me because they know I'm not going to send them anywhere wrong! An not responding to me, or giving me stupid info, may just get that client who was interested in YOU, steered in a different direction.

Just saying.

I'm confused it seems from your post you are pretty much legit, I'm saying that because you've sent 27 new clients to escorts, the fact you are licensed and your overall conversation. If that is true why would you post here and why would you need a reference from an escort? It would seem to me you could get your Buisness from another source thru legit advertising not thru escorts. And as far as girls giving refs and not giving refs this has been an ongoing thing for as long as I've been on this board. I wouldn't get to worked up about it you can always check the post count of anybody on here read their post and make your own decision. HL29.

[Member #4506]

I prefer no tattoos. I don't think SinfulDreams has any. I would welcome the chance to examine her again more closely to see if I might have missed one. It would have to be well hidden though. I looked pretty closely.

I'll take my time and give a full report on this very sensitive concern. I'm sure she won't mind but you can double check me just to be sure. Wouldn't we love it if she was in two places at one time.

[ClassASweetie]

I've recently had a few clients whom usually do not come to a Masseuse for services, contact me, being honest I assume they did explain they usually shop for company / entertainment through the escort ads, they all gave me refs to call or text.

I texted these girls and one was used by two different USA members, I was told to "trust your gut because if it doesn't feel right I wouldn't!" I was also told "he's cool but tries to short change ", obviously not something I look forward to dealing with, I recently last week was told,. "He's safe but you never know who's been busted recently, a lot have!" <-that was a DEFF NO!

Well someone took the time to round up all his reviews written, then sent them to me, where several ladies replied to him saying what a wonderfully great time they had an couldn't wait until he returned, maybe I stretched that but the point is there.

The worst reply I got from a girl who I confronted about dodging me on refs requested, I was nice an I asked had I ever done something that offended her? Because I didn't mean to if I did, I hate thinking I did something wrong to anyone, even more so to another women, she replied that because she had never came to ME to get a reff, she didn't feel she OWED me any in return yet.

This blew me away, so is it a tit for tat thing now? I don't know why she has never needed to request a ref from me but to basically shun me because of that felt alienating. Maybe because I'm in "massage" an she's in "escorts" that the majority of my clients don't think my reff would pertain to her profession so he may of used a girl from the escort side to use as a ref?

I'm positive most my clients do see both, I've asked out of curiosity, the ones I think I can ask personal things to, so if I have to be used as a ref to get a reff, then I guess I'm out of options on that one?

I just wasn't aware things are done that way, I am sorry if I contacted anyone for a reff that felt I had no right to ask for one, I sincerely had no idea. The Clients are feeling about it a little different, they are saying it's a way of keeping them from seeing other girls, I hope that's not true, their not our husbands an if you really care about your Client wouldn't you rather he get in with someone who is safe an checks refs an will treat him with respect and kindness?

I'd personally rather know who else he is around to give me an idea of other things he may be interested in or it will even help me know there might be something I'm not doing that makes him seek out another provider? Most clients are not comfortable telling us if our sessions are lacking something, maybe it's just variety, you really never know and there is so many options out here I just think I'd rather see my Client with a great person, I can have several clients tell everyone here when they requested something more, asked me who out here is safe? Clean, respectful? I've given many names of girls, I don't jump on here an try to get credit for it because I don't need it, an the following session I will ask how it went? If he had a good time I may refer that girl again, I think girls should really think about it like this, I'm LICENSED, there are a lot of clients who come to me feeling it's a safer bet if the worst was to ever happen they can always point at my wall an say "Hey! I am with a professional!" It might not mean much to everyone else, but I am a BIG suggester of escorts, I've literally talked clients into it!

I've looked at ALL YOU GIRLS REVIEWS so I know I'm sending my client to someone I think he will click well with!

You have no idea how much NEW BUSINESS I've sent your way. Our bottom line is our money right! $$.

I personally sat back an counted at minimum over the last 3 yrs, 27 clients New clients whom otherwise was too scared or didn't know how things work or just needed that extra shove to pull the trigger your way, that's at least $2,700 in pockets, so although I don't get used a lot as a ref, it might be smart to answer me when I do ask you for one, you never know if a client is asking about YOU to me because they know I'm not going to send them anywhere wrong! An not responding to me, or giving me stupid info, may just get that client who was interested in YOU, steered in a different direction.

Just saying.

Babe this is a repeated problem here and several providers have written rants (most recently by myself and stormy too-I think) about providers not giving references. And yes your clients are %100 right, it's because they don't want their clients going elsewhere. I have no problems giving refs and saftey is my priorty no matter if it's myself, yours or my clients. When one person gets popped it's causes problems for everyone because people like to snitch. (Which IMO that's a cheap way out) I even have a couple of girls I give refs to often yet they can't even say so much as a dam (Thank You). Yet when I ask for a ref they ignore me. Here is the thing tho, I won't let a provider stop me from seeing my client if she refuses to give a reference as I will just bypass her and get another or verify another way. This is why I am always glad when someone is a member because that's the first route I go. You will learn very quickly babe who gives refs and who gives a dam. The screwed up thing is that if a provider don't give a ref, they are not hurting the other provider but costing themselves biz because their client #1 don't want to see someone who is selfish and not give a shit for anyone else (including him) and #2 someone that won't verify him. It's sad that people can be like this.

Also if you send clients out way, thank you. That's very sweet of you to do that. Good luck and best wishes.

[Mdolby69]

Just out of curiosity, I have noticed tattoos seem ubiquitous in the hobby. Some of them are small, some quite large. Do you mongers like no tattoos, small ones, or the large tattoos? Any providers you know who have none at all?

I don't mind tattoos if they're not excessive or just downright bizarre. I guess I'd consider myself neutral on it in general. If someone had a sleeve or something, I don't know. Honestly, in the end, it is more about the experience than anything. You can have the woman with your ideal face a and body, and if the chemistry and attitude isn't there, would it matter? Unless the tats are an outright turnoff, I don't think it would matter to me.

[Glockman]

Hmmm I foresee another trip to Memphis so you explore more, definitely before the breast reduction end of August.

You name it. Looking for it.

[CurvyChristina]

I've recently had a few clients whom usually do not come to a Masseuse for services, contact me, being honest I assume they did explain they usually shop for company / entertainment through the escort ads, they all gave me refs to call or text.

I texted these girls and one was used by two different USA members, I was told to "trust your gut because if it doesn't feel right I wouldn't!" I was also told "he's cool but tries to short change ", obviously not something I look forward to dealing with, I recently last week was told,. "He's safe but you never know who's been busted recently, a lot have!" <-that was a DEFF NO!

Well someone took the time to round up all his reviews written, then sent them to me, where several ladies replied to him saying what a wonderfully great time they had an couldn't wait until he returned, maybe I stretched that but the point is there.

The worst reply I got from a girl who I confronted about dodging me on refs requested, I was nice an I asked had I ever done something that offended her? Because I didn't mean to if I did, I hate thinking I did something wrong to anyone, even more so to another women, she replied that because she had never came to ME to get a reff, she didn't feel she OWED me any in return yet.

This blew me away, so is it a tit for tat thing now? I don't know why she has never needed to request a ref from me but to basically shun me because of that felt alienating. Maybe because I'm in "massage" an she's in "escorts" that the majority of my clients don't think my reff would pertain to her profession so he may of used a girl from the escort side to use as a ref?

I'm positive most my clients do see both, I've asked out of curiosity, the ones I think I can ask personal things to, so if I have to be used as a ref to get a reff, then I guess I'm out of options on that one?

I just wasn't aware things are done that way, I am sorry if I contacted anyone for a reff that felt I had no right to ask for one, I sincerely had no idea. The Clients are feeling about it a little different, they are saying it's a way of keeping them from seeing other girls, I hope that's not true, their not our husbands an if you really care about your Client wouldn't you rather he get in with someone who is safe an checks refs an will treat him with respect and kindness?

I'd personally rather know who else he is around to give me an idea of other things he may be interested in or it will even help me know there might be something I'm not doing that makes him seek out another provider? Most clients are not comfortable telling us if our sessions are lacking something, maybe it's just variety, you really never know and there is so many options out here I just think I'd rather see my Client with a great person, I can have several clients tell everyone here when they requested something more, asked me who out here is safe? Clean, respectful? I've given many names of girls, I don't jump on here an try to get credit for it because I don't need it, an the following session I will ask how it went? If he had a good time I may refer that girl again, I think girls should really think about it like this, I'm LICENSED, there are a lot of clients who come to me feeling it's a safer bet if the worst was to ever happen they can always point at my wall an say "Hey! I am with a professional!" It might not mean much to everyone else, but I am a BIG suggester of escorts, I've literally talked clients into it!

I've looked at ALL YOU GIRLS REVIEWS so I know I'm sending my client to someone I think he will click well with!

You have no idea how much NEW BUSINESS I've sent your way. Our bottom line is our money right! $$.

I personally sat back an counted at minimum over the last 3 yrs, 27 clients New clients whom otherwise was too scared or didn't know how things work or just needed that extra shove to pull the trigger your way, that's at least $2,700 in pockets, so although I don't get used a lot as a ref, it might be smart to answer me when I do ask you for one, you never know if a client is asking about YOU to me because they know I'm not going to send them anywhere wrong! An not responding to me, or giving me stupid info, may just get that client who was interested in YOU, steered in a different direction.

Just saying.

[Member #5083]

To me, an overnight visit makes the whole interaction more like a real GFE. By that, I mean that with my real girlfriends, I never just got mine and left. Thus, to simulate an experience that is more like being with a girlfriend, hanging out together and sleeping over can add to the illusion. That being said, there are few providers I've met with whom I would want to spend a night. I have had more than satisfactory overnight visits with one in particular, and I've met a couple other providers with whom I would at least consider spending the night. One must have a certain rapport with the provider because, otherwise, there really won't be much else to talk about or do after the main event is over. However, if you do know a provider with whom you have enough common interests, than you can find plenty of activities and subjects of conversation to keep the good times going for hours.

My imagination is not that vivid and it would be hard for me to extend the illusion with a generic provider beyond a few hours. However, a goomah situation is completely differently experience and more like a true GFE.