"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FeelGoodMd]

I am beyond frustrated tonight. I have been messaging a petite, light skinned 19 yo College Pot (HollywoodGuy, she was right up your alley) I found on SA for several days. She is into being submissive (I make it clear in my profile and initial messages I am a Dom), and some of our emails had been pretty explicit about what we were going to do when we met. She was down for the FC immediately, *never* brought up money or a M&G, and seemed to be focused primarily on the dirty talk (and anticipated activity). She was engaging during our emails / texts, seemed very intelligent, and was down with being obedient or being disciplined if she wasn't (and she knew I have a sadistic streak). I did my due diligence (I have sources at her school I can discretely verify things with, and her FB profile had no security whatsoever), and she was definitely for real.

Monday we were planning to meet, and that morning she informed me that her visitor had arrived, and she also woke up with a sore throat (she is a nanny on the side, so that is plausible). She assured me her visitor only stayed for a couple or three days at a time, so we planned to meet tonight (if everything "cleared up".

Everything looked good this morning, she's raring to meet, and I tell her 6 pm and at which hotel I will be (as well as what will happen if she is late, in explicit detail). She says she understands very clearly, and might be a few minutes late just to be punished. I get to the hotel, set up the room, text her the room number at 5:55.

I text her again 10 minutes later, and she says she is on her way but her roommate just got home (apparently they share a car), and she is still 15-20 minutes out because it is her turn to buy gas. (This girl lives less than a mile from the hotel).

I send her a text asking her to tell me why I shouldn't leave the hotel and block her number. She is, to put it mildly, shocked, and says that she couldn't help it that her roommate was late.

I explain that she can't help when her period is, or whether she picks up a bug from a kid she is sitting for, but she can lace up her shoes and walk a mile once she realizes she is going to be late.

She gets an attitude, saying that is not fair and it's only 30 minutes. At this point, I am steaming. I pack up the room and leave. I only had 2 hours, and if she's this flaky the first time we meet, how much of my time will she waste down the line when she's more "comfortable" with me?

15 minutes later, I get a text from her saying she is downstairs and asking for the room number again. I text back that she needs to check her email.

I sent her an email (already composed) explaining that most SD's are married, and it can be a challenge getting away from the SO, so time is very valuable to us. In addition, many of us have careers that are not salary based, so time literally is money. I encouraged her to be more respectful of her Daddy's (and Dom's, since she's really into that) time the next time she tries to start an arrangement, because being late or not respecting his time is expensive.

I attached a picture of 5 crisp, brand new Benjamins laying on the hotel bed. I wasn't going to give her that much ($ or $. 5 at most), but I wanted the message to sink in. I also wanted her to regret fucking this up when she is with her next Daddy (who will not give her anywhere near that, because the market in my area doesn't require it).

OK, I feel *much* better now.

The Doctor has left the building.

[JZLizard]

Thanks. I am certainly not new. SD but back from break. And making me act like newbie.

Hope I wasn't treating you like one (not intentional if so). I just blurt out my own methodology. Others have theirs that works for them.

[Norm Gerd]

Norm, I always do M&G. My POT is 22 . Young and beautiful. My preferences are like yours as well. Yes, it has been very difficult to find SBs.

They are demanding high sugar amt though. For few hours. !

Sorry I did not mean to suggest that people were skipping the M&G. Which some do. Rather, I was commenting on those who have the ability to arrange not only the M&G, but the availability and price of post-M&G fun before they ever meet. Now that being said, I do not post pictures of myself (or any pictures at all) and this certainly cuts down on my responses I think.

Norm!

[GeorgeRichmond]

You are in the same boat as me. After being in the game (and the bowl) years before this thread existed, and indeed having some good success, I left to pursue civilian relationships. Now I am back, but finding a great more difficulty in meeting POTs that I used to have. Talked to many ladies on SD(ie) dot com but can't get any of them to a M&G. It amazes me that you are able to negotiate the amount and a potential trip to the FC before you even get to the M&G. Then again, I find myself only going after younger, more attractive ladies. But then I am in the bowl to get the ladies I couldn't ordinarily get as a doughy, middle aged dude! I'm sure they are Nano 1's with GPS which is part of the problem. I'm just not comfortable discussing money via text message! And at least in my area, AA ladies seem to be more aggressive, and take a lower allowance. But I am not attracted to them at all, so that does hurt my odds.

Norm!

Norm, I always do M&G. My POT is 22 . Young and beautiful. My preferences are like yours as well. Yes, it has been very difficult to find SBs.

They are demanding high sugar amt though. For few hours. !

[Norm Gerd]

Thanks. I am certainly not new. SD but back from break. And making me act like newbie.

You are in the same boat as me. After being in the game (and the bowl) years before this thread existed, and indeed having some good success, I left to pursue civilian relationships. Now I am back, but finding a great more difficulty in meeting POTs that I used to have. Talked to many ladies on SD(ie) dot com but can't get any of them to a M&G. It amazes me that you are able to negotiate the amount and a potential trip to the FC before you even get to the M&G. Then again, I find myself only going after younger, more attractive ladies. But then I am in the bowl to get the ladies I couldn't ordinarily get as a doughy, middle aged dude! I'm sure they are Nano 1's with GPS which is part of the problem. I'm just not comfortable discussing money via text message! And at least in my area, AA ladies seem to be more aggressive, and take a lower allowance. But I am not attracted to them at all, so that does hurt my odds.

Norm!

[Golfcart]

Well, She came back saying. We must trust each other. She is willing to meet now. Wow. What a turnaround. Should I still move fwd now. As looks like info sharing issue is gone? Or will she still try to investigate based on hotel room detail / info? I will try to use different name on my bookind.

She'll return with the same old song and dance because this is important to her. Confidentiality is important to KingGreg as it should be. KingGreg needs to move on to someone else.

The bottom line is things must be a natural fit or there is no fit.

[GeorgeRichmond]

There used to be a promotional ad for The Man Show after Joe Rogan and Doug Stanhope took over, where they were applying for jobs and asking if it would be possible to receive the annual salary up front. LOL.

I don't let the SB ask. I gift them after the deed based on how happy daddy is at the end of the date.

Thanks. I am certainly not new. SD but back from break. And making me act like newbie.

[JZLizard]

When do you all give sugar to SB? End of the meet or before? Some SB ask full upfront, half after dinner and half after the date. Thoughts?

There used to be a promotional ad for The Man Show after Joe Rogan and Doug Stanhope took over, where they were applying for jobs and asking if it would be possible to receive the annual salary up front. LOL.

I don't let the SB ask. I gift them after the deed based on how happy daddy is at the end of the date.

[GeorgeRichmond]

When do you all give sugar to SB? End of the meet or before? Some SB ask full upfront, half after dinner and half after the date. Thoughts?

[GeorgeRichmond]

I learned this long ago about women. It's the information they have on you that they swear the absolute very most they will NEVER use against you, that they will always use first when they are jaded. You can never be too guarded with these situations. When a woman becomes angry, she goes right for the nukes in an emotional rage and anything she has on you, will be the very first thing she uses.
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Well, She came back saying. We must trust each other. She is willing to meet now. Wow. What a turnaround. Should I still move fwd now. As looks like info sharing issue is gone? Or will she still try to investigate based on hotel room detail / info? I will try to use different name on my bookind.

[JZLizard]

I learned this long ago about women. It's the information they have on you that they swear the absolute very most they will NEVER use against you, that they will always use first when they are jaded. You can never be too guarded with these situations. When a woman becomes angry, she goes right for the nukes in an emotional rage and anything she has on you, will be the very first thing she uses.

When I was involved in my four year affair that I had hid from both my mistress and wife at the time, I purchased an investment house three years earlier into the relationship. When the house was vacant after purchase, I thought it would be a nice convenient place to bring my mistress to for a random night of sex. I didn't even think she paid attention to where the home was. During our breakup, three years later, she showed up at the front door of that home pounding on the front door demanding my tenants tell her where I was at. Scary shit! I was blown away that she had even remembered that random night and blown away even more that she went back to that house we had only been at once!

Yeah, I say retain anonymity as much as possible. On my last SB-traveling binge, I was going to be in one area for about 4-5 days. Due to all of these vacation rental websites that have made renting houses by the day feasible, I toyed with the idea of renting a nice house for my trip instead of a hotel, as there were lots of things I liked about it such as parking my car in a driveway next to the house, having lots more room and furniture possibilities for fucking etc. But I ultimately decided against it. Why? Dead easy for the girl to find out who the owner of the home is and trick them into revealing my identity. Not easy at all with a decent hotel as they have strict privacy policies in place. I also didn't like the idea that they could just drive by and see if I was there, potentially break in or screw with my car. I ended up staying in a resort that had gated security. Very nice because then I can tell the girl to follow me in with her car, and I tell the guard she's with me.

Also gives her peace of mind in terms of wondering about whether I'm safe, because she knows they have cameras all over the place, etc.

[DirtyDeeds38]

Thank JL, Tidad, HW for helping me and guiding me through this. I am glad I didn't reveal anything. I am going to pass. As it is too much txting now.

I learned this long ago about women. It's the information they have on you that they swear the absolute very most they will NEVER use against you, that they will always use first when they are jaded. You can never be too guarded with these situations. When a woman becomes angry, she goes right for the nukes in an emotional rage and anything she has on you, will be the very first thing she uses.

When I was involved in my four year affair that I had hid from both my mistress and wife at the time, I purchased an investment house three years earlier into the relationship. When the house was vacant after purchase, I thought it would be a nice convenient place to bring my mistress to for a random night of sex. I didn't even think she paid attention to where the home was. During our breakup, three years later, she showed up at the front door of that home pounding on the front door demanding my tenants tell her where I was at. Scary shit! I was blown away that she had even remembered that random night and blown away even more that she went back to that house we had only been at once!

[FredMoore]

The blogs tell the girls to confirm who you are going out with so they can tell a friend where they are and who they are with. Perhaps a reasonable request, what we would tell our daughters about a blind date. But for us married guys this will not work. It never ceases to amaze me what some of these girls will risk for the almighty dollar.

A Story: I had a M&G out of town with a 20 something. The deal was if we enjoyed dinner we would proceed to her house and spend the night. We did and I followed her home out in the deep woods, no neighbors within 2 miles. We prepared for bed and I had my travel bag with me containing candles, and other sex accouterments. She was under the covers naked with her eyes wide open and said "please don't kill me in the night, you're not a CL Killer are you? I'm thinking "WTF?" But seriously, she knew nothing about me. Fortunately for her she got a nice ride and a good nights sleep on my shoulder and survived the night. These girls do take stupid risks.

A Pot I am scheduled to see tomorrow wants a pic and I am reluctant to send her one since I don't want anything on the web with my real Pic. I'm not sure I will send her one.

[GeorgeRichmond]

God, then my answer to her would be easy: "Sweetheart sugar babying is not illegal. I'm paying for companionship only. I can't help it if we find each other irresistible and sex happens ".

Honestly though my interest in her would have waned the moment she said she was worried about a police sting, because it revealed her as a UTR or possibly back page girl rather than an SB. An true SB doesn't have police sting in her vocabulary.

Thank JL, Tidad, HW for helping me and guiding me through this. I am glad I didn't reveal anything. I am going to pass. As it is too much txting now.

[JZLizard]

Here is what she texted me.

This is a big deal for me. I want to be able to google you and your name and face show up. That's all I want.

Hahaha yes. You can find me on google. I think my twitter is the first link. But can I still verify you?

Then.

This is a big deal for me. I want to be able to google you and your name and face show up. That's all I want.

Before I drive an hour for a police sting.

She kept on going and finally says, All I want to see is a work bio. I won't google anything else. I'm not asking for much.

God, then my answer to her would be easy: "Sweetheart sugar babying is not illegal. I'm paying for companionship only. I can't help it if we find each other irresistible and sex happens ".

Honestly though my interest in her would have waned the moment she said she was worried about a police sting, because it revealed her as a UTR or possibly back page girl rather than an SB. An true SB doesn't have police sting in her vocabulary.