The Massholes

[Nrlmus]

N, Not trying to flame you but I do disagree. My opinion is that it is all the "PM for details" that has hurt the other threads and discouraged members from posting. I mean why bother putting anything in the forum if you are just going to send a PM, right? As far as Massholes goes the people who don't want to read it don't have too.

Fare enough YF, I'm not going to argue about this really. I just looked it over and I said 'shit man, I don't see these guys in the backpage or other sections much anymore' while 'remember the day' (like about month or so ago) when they were basically driving it. Now we get mostly "Hey guys! Anybody knows anything about that one!" type of posts. It always takes a few to drive any forum and when they are taken away to conduct often pointless and at times rather misplaced screaming matches it slowly turns into blah. That's why I don't think the Massholes was such a good idea from the beginning and I still believe myself being in the right about that. I think it turned into something more destructive then constructive, that's all. Obviously I'm not going to go as far as to leave the forum or send a note of protest to the Argentine consulate in Boston or bombard A2 with repeated PM requests to shut the thing down.

I just wanted to throw my arguments out there and see if I was alone in thinking that the Massholes was a mistake.

[Yellowfever023]

A2, I think this was opened with good intentions but in my opinion it really turned into members throwing insults at each other and really took many valuable members away from discussing pussy. This section is really counterproductive and amounts to nothing more then providing an opportunity for members to get pissed off at each other and divide us instead of uniting us over the same goal. Sometimes it reads like if bunch of kids were pointing at each other and screaming "No, you're stupid! "No, you're stupid! I'm sure that it's a source of some amusement for some (and sometimes for myself too) but for the health of the forum I believe it's a bad news.

I think in general if members don't like someone or want to call somebody out on something they should do it in regular pussy-oriented section but do it once or maybe twice but the minute it begins to feel like it's about to get out of hand, with somebody repeating the same shit over and over the moderator should step in and say: "Hey! You said your piece! Move on!" It doesn't happen all that often for the moderator to get overwhelmed with such situations. And if someone seem to think of himself as a self-appointed truth policeman and keeps continuously calling someone out this person should be warned and advised to knock this shit off or get a blog of his own where he can do whatever the fuck he wants!

If you believe that someone (like apparently is Ledger) is so much of an asshole that he needs to be bounced out of the forum, present your arguments to the moderator (A2) why you believe he should be bounced out of the forum. If A2 agrees with you, he'll bounce him out. But continuously going on and on about how much of an asshole he is only facilitates you not writing about your latest pussy experience! And I'm pretty sure that I will speak for the greater majority here when I say that that's what we want to here and not how much of an asshole Ledger or Monger Expert or whoever the fuck else is. We're all adults here. We know there are plenty of assholes on this forum. Pointing fingers and calling people out over and over again is bullshit! Instead of doing that you could've enlightened us with your latest pussy experience that most of us, I guarantee you, would rather read about.

I dealt in the open and via PMs with many on both sides of this crap and I found most of them to be valid and honorable mongers in their own right.

Again I believe that this section is very counterproductive to the health of this forum. It turns hobbyists against one another where otherwise they're wouldn't have been and takes people's minds away from reviewing pussy. Again I'm asking A2 respectfully to shut down The Massholes!

N, Not trying to flame you but I do disagree. My opinion is that it is all the "PM for details" that has hurt the other threads and discouraged members from posting. I mean why bother putting anything in the forum if you are just going to send a PM, right? As far as Massholes goes the people who don't want to read it don't have too.

[Jack A Dogov]

When I'm not working, it's improving my user experience here. This is on deck for tomorrow, maybe the day after. http://www.soloindependientes.com/es...6-2837_763.htm.

I'd tell you guys what it costs and what the services are but I really don't want anymore hate mail.

A2.

No smileys because Jax hates them.

Damn It that's it, I'm moving to Argentina!! Actually I'm not but damn these girls (especially this one, please send her here.) are fine.
I vote to keep Massholes only so I can continue to live vicariously through A2's exploits with these incredible looking women.
A2: I hate you! Not really I do envy you though.

[Skatar018]

forget about it.

Maybe & hopefully Fuhgetaboudit will come back, he seemed like a good guy, a little sensitive but still.

I ask myself why I continue to read this thread. I guess it's so I know who I don't want to share with. That list has grown since Massholes started. When I see how you "gents" deal with each other, there's no way I would share contact info with some of you now.Just sayin'.Moby.

& without Massholes you'd know that how? You kinda proved my point of the validity of this forum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao3lqNqXZrg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goquSM6sK_M

[Skatar018]

I know I'm going to catch a lot of slack for saying this, At the end of the day what good is that?

Don't forget that your post was a contributing catalyst that lead to the creation of Massholes to begin with, as the post started a shitstorm of back & forth posts that had nothing to do with the topic of the forum & it wouldn't stop, there were over 3 pages that didn't belong. What's the alternative? To give everyone involved an infraction delete the posts & move on only to see it happen again & again & again, or to give us a board to work that stuff out. I'll take this solution 24/7 365 rather than seeing boards full of useless arguments.

I've been checking this site periodically to see if there's any good info as far as the service providers go and low and behold the only thread that is active is the Massholes. Come on gents, I think we could do better. Let's get back to finding some good pussy.

I disagree as already stated

While the post count on the report & review boards may have gone down a little (hard to say without metrics), the content of the reports & reviews are more focused with info & intel & has less unattributed commentary.

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[Skatar018]

A2 shut down the Massholes!

No one is forcing anyone to participate on the site or any of the forums, if you don't like any of the aspects of how or the way it's run you can at the very least sound off about it here without being flagged for it, as A2 has done in the past saying it's not the correct forum in which to contact the Administrator. How is that not better?

Which leads me to ask why post your request to close Massholes here.(rhetorical), I mean you could've pm'ed or sent an email to A2 rather than posting about it here. Also where does it stop (again rhetorical), because some individuals may not like certain aspects of another forum & feels it distracts from some other part of the site or a certain forum does that get closed also, it doesn't make sense to do so.

While the post count on the report & review boards may have gone down a little (hard to say without metrics), the content of the reports & reviews are more focused with info & intel & has less unattributed commentary.

Given that, I would say Massholes has done what it was intended to do, to keep the other boards free from the bullshit. An outlet is needed for those who would use it as best suits them without getting an infraction & Massholes is valid & necessary forum as is evident by the posts. I feel there is room here for all the forums including Massholes.

Perhaps self restraint can be applied by those that do not wish to visit Massholes, as there is nothing compelling anyone to do so, I look forward to your reviews about pussy, but don't fuck with my family!

[Admin2]

Come A2 just admit it: you just really enjoy looking over sparing gladiators and having an opportunity to step in yourself while at the same time remaining above the fray. Just admit it dude, in your comfy life on the other side of the Americas you sometimes miss that feisty Boston's in-your-face attitude and therein lies the real reason for the existence of the Massholes! It's just a piece of nostalgia for you bro, that's all! Come on now tell the truth! We can handle it! LOL Although as a bonafide survivor of one of the routine 2006 Boca-River brawls at El Monumental it really escapes me how one could feel deprived of the opportunities to mix it up at the place where you reside.

P.S. Why 'Smiles' don't work on this forum? I've got them On and I tried to insert three various emotions into my text and got nada.

I cannot tell a lie. What I miss is the higher average level of education. The scrappy attitude, not as much. I'm not an in your face kind of guy unless I'm douched on, I'm a lover not a fighter. While Cincy is my first love on the forum I'm honest enough to admit I'd miss The Massholes if it goes away. I've enjoyed connecting with you guys and read all the new posts here everyday.

When I'm working I only have one agenda, improving the user experience on the forum. I'm really quite passionate about that. I'm thinking a lot these days about how to fix the biggest dilemma, posting useful reviews while not drawing too much attention to the subjects. I'm still of a mindset that at the end of the day we don't give our least favorite uncle any NEW info. It's the uncertainty I would like to address and figure out.

When I'm not working, it's improving my user experience here. This is on deck for tomorrow, maybe the day after. http://www.soloindependientes.com/es...6-2837_763.htm.

I'd tell you guys what it costs and what the services are but I really don't want anymore hate mail.

A2.

No smileys because Jax hates them.

[Nrlmus]

I'm probably not going to shut this thread down. I was CONSTANTLY putting out fights in Boston before it. It would be great if two guys could exchange a "fuck you" and a "no my friend, fuck you first" but it never stops at that. It always ended up as a gang fight.

With respect, and I do mean with respect, this thread doesn't prohibit guys from posting about pussy. Nobody has to click on it. In every other city where there is one guys are writing about pussy. All they have to do is fuck somebody, come here, click +add report and type. The existence of this thread in no way inhibits their ability to post a report.

Banning guys doesn't work on a free forum. I could have 10,000 guys ask me to bounce somebody and it wouldn't stop them from registering with a new username. Before anybody says "IP banning" read about IP leases and you'll see why that doesn't work.

It's a free forum, guys need to post to keep it alive. There will always be douchebags. They are unavoidable unless we start charging a lot of money.

Post count: I'm going to try and talk Jax into displaying the "joined" date again. That's a pretty easy fix. That way if a guy has 1000 posts but only has been a member for 6 months you know somethings up.

I'll think about what you guys said, I always try to, but I have to admit, I'm pretty resistant to the idea. I posted a poll, it's open for 7 days, results are anonymous (not to me) I'm not promising to do what it says regardless of outcome, but of course it will weigh heavily in my thinking.

A2

Come A2 just admit it: you just really enjoy looking over sparing gladiators and having an opportunity to step in yourself while at the same time remaining above the fray. Just admit it dude, in your comfy life on the other side of the Americas you sometimes miss that feisty Boston's in-your-face attitude and therein lies the real reason for the existence of the Massholes! It's just a piece of nostalgia for you bro, that's all! Come on now tell the truth! We can handle it! LOL Although as a bonafide survivor of one of the routine 2006 Boca-River brawls at El Monumental it really escapes me how one could feel deprived of the opportunities to mix it up at the place where you reside.

P.S. Why 'Smiles' don't work on this forum? I've got them On and I tried to insert three various emotions into my text and got nada.

[Admin2]

I'm probably not going to shut this thread down. I was CONSTANTLY putting out fights in Boston before it. It would be great if two guys could exchange a "fuck you" and a "no my friend, fuck you first" but it never stops at that. It always ended up as a gang fight.

With respect, and I do mean with respect, this thread doesn't prohibit guys from posting about pussy. Nobody has to click on it. In every other city where there is one guys are writing about pussy. All they have to do is fuck somebody, come here, click +add report and type. The existence of this thread in no way inhibits their ability to post a report.

Banning guys doesn't work on a free forum. I could have 10,000 guys ask me to bounce somebody and it wouldn't stop them from registering with a new username. Before anybody says "IP banning" read about IP leases and you'll see why that doesn't work.

It's a free forum, guys need to post to keep it alive. There will always be douchebags. They are unavoidable unless we start charging a lot of money.

Post count: I'm going to try and talk Jax into displaying the "joined" date again. That's a pretty easy fix. That way if a guy has 1000 posts but only has been a member for 6 months you know somethings up.

I'll think about what you guys said, I always try to, but I have to admit, I'm pretty resistant to the idea. I posted a poll, it's open for 7 days, results are anonymous (not to me) I'm not promising to do what it says regardless of outcome, but of course it will weigh heavily in my thinking.

A2

[Moby9]

I know I'm going to catch a lot of slack for saying this, but I really think you're right. I think this site is starting to lose it's substance. I joined this site because I thought it was for us gents (emphasis on gents) to share information about some of the good and bad service providers that are out there. Ever since this Massholes thread stated it has been nothing but arguing and bickering amongst eachother. At the end of the day what good is that?

I've been checking this site periodically to see if there's any good info as far as the service providers go and low and behold the only thread that is active is the Massholes. Come on gents, I think we could do better. Let's get back to finding some good pussy.

It used to be that I could get a quick sense of the contributors by the post count. It seems to me that with all the Masshole posts, forget about it.

I ask myself why I continue to read this thread. I guess it's so I know who I don't want to share with. That list has grown since Massholes started.

I believe that the nicer you treat a provider, the nicer she treats you. At least those are the providers I'm interested in. When I see how you "gents" deal with each other, there's no way I would share contact info with some of you now.

Just sayin'.

Moby.

[Lmao123]

A2, I think this was opened with good intentions but in my opinion it really turned into members throwing insults at each other and really took many valuable members away from discussing pussy. This section is really counterproductive and amounts to nothing more then providing an opportunity for members to get pissed off at each other and divide us instead of uniting us over the same goal. Sometimes it reads like if bunch of kids were pointing at each other and screaming "No, you're stupid! "No, you're stupid! I'm sure that it's a source of some amusement for some (and sometimes for myself too) but for the health of the forum I believe it's a bad news.

I think in general if members don't like someone or want to call somebody out on something they should do it in regular pussy-oriented section but do it once or maybe twice but the minute it begins to feel like it's about to get out of hand, with somebody repeating the same shit over and over the moderator should step in and say: "Hey! You said your piece! Move on!" It doesn't happen all that often for the moderator to get overwhelmed with such situations. And if someone seem to think of himself as a self-appointed truth policeman and keeps continuously calling someone out this person should be warned and advised to knock this shit off or get a blog of his own where he can do whatever the fuck he wants!

If you believe that someone (like apparently is Ledger) is so much of an asshole that he needs to be bounced out of the forum, present your arguments to the moderator (A2) why you believe he should be bounced out of the forum. If A2 agrees with you, he'll bounce him out. But continuously going on and on about how much of an asshole he is only facilitates you not writing about your latest pussy experience! And I'm pretty sure that I will speak for the greater majority here when I say that that's what we want to here and not how much of an asshole Ledger or Monger Expert or whoever the fuck else is. We're all adults here. We know there are plenty of assholes on this forum. Pointing fingers and calling people out over and over again is bullshit! Instead of doing that you could've enlightened us with your latest pussy experience that most of us, I guarantee you, would rather read about.

I dealt in the open and via PMs with many on both sides of this crap and I found most of them to be valid and honorable mongers in their own right.

Again I believe that this section is very counterproductive to the health of this forum. It turns hobbyists against one another where otherwise they're wouldn't have been and takes people's minds away from reviewing pussy. Again I'm asking A2 respectfully to shut down The Massholes!

I know I'm going to catch a lot of slack for saying this, but I really think you're right. I think this site is starting to lose it's substance. I joined this site because I thought it was for us gents (emphasis on gents) to share information about some of the good and bad service providers that are out there. Ever since this Massholes thread stated it has been nothing but arguing and bickering amongst eachother. At the end of the day what good is that?

I've been checking this site periodically to see if there's any good info as far as the service providers go and low and behold the only thread that is active is the Massholes. Come on gents, I think we could do better. Let's get back to finding some good pussy.

[Nrlmus]

A2, I think this was opened with good intentions but in my opinion it really turned into members throwing insults at each other and really took many valuable members away from discussing pussy. This section is really counterproductive and amounts to nothing more then providing an opportunity for members to get pissed off at each other and divide us instead of uniting us over the same goal. Sometimes it reads like if bunch of kids were pointing at each other and screaming "No, you're stupid! "No, you're stupid! I'm sure that it's a source of some amusement for some (and sometimes for myself too) but for the health of the forum I believe it's a bad news.

I think in general if members don't like someone or want to call somebody out on something they should do it in regular pussy-oriented section but do it once or maybe twice but the minute it begins to feel like it's about to get out of hand, with somebody repeating the same shit over and over the moderator should step in and say: "Hey! You said your piece! Move on!" It doesn't happen all that often for the moderator to get overwhelmed with such situations. And if someone seem to think of himself as a self-appointed truth policeman and keeps continuously calling someone out this person should be warned and advised to knock this shit off or get a blog of his own where he can do whatever the fuck he wants!

If you believe that someone (like apparently is Ledger) is so much of an asshole that he needs to be bounced out of the forum, present your arguments to the moderator (A2) why you believe he should be bounced out of the forum. If A2 agrees with you, he'll bounce him out. But continuously going on and on about how much of an asshole he is only facilitates you not writing about your latest pussy experience! And I'm pretty sure that I will speak for the greater majority here when I say that that's what we want to here and not how much of an asshole Ledger or Monger Expert or whoever the fuck else is. We're all adults here. We know there are plenty of assholes on this forum. Pointing fingers and calling people out over and over again is bullshit! Instead of doing that you could've enlightened us with your latest pussy experience that most of us, I guarantee you, would rather read about.

I dealt in the open and via PMs with many on both sides of this crap and I found most of them to be valid and honorable mongers in their own right.

Again I believe that this section is very counterproductive to the health of this forum. It turns hobbyists against one another where otherwise they're wouldn't have been and takes people's minds away from reviewing pussy. Again I'm asking A2 respectfully to shut down The Massholes!

[Deb4512]

He seriously has no conflict management skills. Not saying that I do LOL. Because I'm a hothead too! But to threaten to report everyone, can't remember who that would be, is idiotic! It makes him look like a moron and either he will eventually have to change his user name or will fall off the board altogether, because everyone will likely continue bashing him or ignore him altogether. I think it's best to just ignore him and also his negative reviews. Funny that his reviews are mostly negative but then he overtips. Does that mean he overtips the bad providers or everyone? Has he ever had a good experience with a provider, just one positive review??

I was meaning to address the issue of clients dating escorts. I don't see anything wrong with it at all. Actually I think it could be a perfect match if both people are mature enough to handle an open relationship. I know at least one escort who does and they are swingers. Her boyfriend accompanies her when she's on the road for protection and even has joined in on the sessions. I know another escort who's husband is free to see other escorts, although he was never a client of hers.

I had a client who was staying with his wife in a hotel in Boston when I was escorting there. It was during that snow storm two years ago when all transportation was shut down. Funny that I was busy then, the guys actually walked to me in that shitty weather! LOL. Anyway he told his wife he was going out to buy her a special take out meal each time he saw me, which was twice. After our session he would order her meal from my hotel's restaurant. She was probably thinking that her husband was very thoughtful! Anyway my point is that I do not want to be in that woman's position!

I'd date a client, (I did once and it didn't work out for reasons not related to my escorting) and give him the green light to see as many escorts as he wants. I'd be willing to help him choose one only if he asks me for my advice.(I don't want to interfere in his choices, because I don't want to be co-dependant) and I wouldn't be cool with it just because I feel like I have to to keep him. I honestly wouldn't mind at all! Even if he cheated on me with a non pro or fell in love with someone, if he were honest about it although I wouldn't be particularly happy about it, I don't want to be with someone who doesn't want to be with me. Everyone's free to choose their paths in life and I don't want to be responsible for holding anyone back.

And for those who say it can't work, because there are too many hurdles for such an unconventional relationship, let me remind you. The divorce rate is allegedly 50%! I'm assuming most of these marriages are traditional, conventional ones. And many who stay together do it for their children, or convenience.. If conventional / traditional relationships worked out so well escorts wouldn't be as busy as they are!

As far as the admin is concerned when he said he'd be into going to the movies with a provider if she were interested, I say I'd be game just as long as there were a lot of handing holding and pda! And definitely be up for it if there were occasional DFK's I'm not saying this to be a kiss ass, but I think he's cool and has the right attitude, no nonsense and upfront. He doesn't allow anyone to take advantage of him! I think this should always be the case, standing one's ground. Especially with escorts standing your ground is a must! Otherwise you'll be one of those dudes who thinks he's dating an escort, but in reality is her sugar daddy and she's just using him. Escorts are notorious for taking advantage of people. Look at all the bad provider experiences I've read about here and on other forums. I'm an anomaly in this business, because I have no desire whatsoever to take advantage of anyone. I only want what's due me.

Anyway, I'm having a fab time. I wasn't impressed with Myrtle Beach. Too many rowdy kids drinking and acting like asses. As far as Virginia Beach is concerned I stayed in town and didn't even see the beach St Augustine is the best so far! The condo is right on the beach! It's really nice, new and modern. It has two bedrooms, flat screens are a must, I'm sleeping in the master bedroom with it's own bathroom and flat screen tv. There is also a deck on the third floor with tables and chairs where anyone can sit up there and have a full access view of the beach and the ocean. I'm staying here for 10 days visiting an ex stripper friend of mine.

Getting back to the admin. If you are ever in Boston we can hang out and I'll buy you are beer (that is if you like beer!

Ciao.

[Yello Tail]

Deb,

Check out Diva Spa and Unique8 on Yelp (Tips, and Reviews from Phil R). Phil / Ledger has gone pussy-simple with a dose of arrogance, and a dose of misplaced moral crusading Televangelist Jim Bakker. After reading his reviews of Michelle at Diva and Unique 8 on Yelp tell us what you think.

BD.

I reviewed his yelp reviews. All of them. What a piece of work! I can't understand the purpose of his reviews as they are more like personal attacks. If you go some place and get bad service. Then say I was disappointed with the service. And in the case of the diva & unique reviews, he was a multiple repeat customer, paying for extras, encouraging the staff to perform certain services, and then judging them for accommodating him. This is one sick individual.

[Smoke Screen]

As A2 noted this thread was created to ensure the integrity of the others to stay focused on talking about pussy.

No surprise here that in my opinion the forums began to go downhill when a large number of members decided to go underground with reviews and intel posted. I find it ironic that you feel every post should have substance yet the majority of your posting in the main threads comes in the form of "pm me for details". I don't feel there is much substance in those types of posts at all. Of course this debate has been hashed out ad nauseam here. Apparently a "substantive post" is entirely subjective here. Nothing has really changed for the proponents of the non-detail side of the debate here as the PM system and underground network remains intact.

I don't think the primary motive for most members additional commentary is to increase post count. If I was concerned about increasing my post count I would have a hell of a lot more posts than I do now after having been a member here for almost 5 years now.

At least the name calling is now segregated in this separate thread which no one has to read if they don't want to although admittedly I believe that would be difficult due to the curiosity factor.

I don't think it's fair to say "the majority of my posts come in the form of "pm me for details". I'll generally write where I went, who I saw, her height & weight, age, TS or not, was the place clean, provider good, and will or will not repeat. Then I add pm for details. I just don't think it's necessary to say to the world I got a blow job, then we fucked 5 different positions, she was as loose as anyone I've been with. I find that disrespectful, even though some on here, and I don't mean you, consider these girls working girls of one type or another. That's just my reasoning.