"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[JZLizard]

Not sure if this has been covered so I thought I would raise the question here. We all have friends that are superhot the judge themselves on the number of Facebook friends they have. So through the years you add a number of different attractive women. Well it just so happened the other day when I went to renew my membership to SA I saw the profile of a girl I recognized as one of my friends on Facebook and has a ton of friends in common. She's definitely hot enough but as in real life I fear she may be GPS all the way.

Of course saying anything directly would most likely freak her out but she is my type I could run the game and take a chance that she won't recognize me or come from the POV of "hey, we both know what we are here for" and try to come to an agreement before connecting the dots. Of course that would be WAY after we've built a report and come to an understanding but shy of meeting...

What do you Seniors think?

Anyone ever come across a hottie you know on one of the sites?

I've come across two ladies I knew from civ dating on sugar daddy sites.

One was a late 20's hottie that I went out with a few times, I just met her on Match and her profile indicated a very wide age range of acceptance (she was open to guys my age). Sex with her was very good but right around the time she met me, she also met another guy near her age that she fell in love with. It was weird because as she was ramping up a "love" relationship with him, she was telling me how much better the sex was with me. She said her feelings for me were largely sexual but she had so much in common with him that he was deep in her heart. Fine with me as I never really liked her as anything but a friend and fuck buddy -- I always thought she was kind of a whiny ***** and she openly hated my dog (not a way to get on my good side), but sometimes bitchiness makes for good sex and in this case it did. Anyway after I knew her for a couple of months I saw her profile on a sugar daddy site but I could tell she had not logged in for many months. I sent her a screenshot of the profile and said something like "why didn't you tell me this is what you wanted? She had never indicated any need for financial support from me. She replied to the effect of "that's sooo funny! I forgot all about that site" and then proceeded to tell me that no, she is not looking for a sugar daddy and never wanted or expected that from me, that she was just experimenting when she did that to see what's out there. Funny thing is her "roommate" was a mid-40's guy that was letting her stay in his house, and I have a strong suspicion it was probably an SD she met from the site and was paying rent with her pussy... Just can't prove it. At one point, I asked if she was banging him and she said no.

The second was a 30 ish single mom from another city that I met on Match some years back and hit it off with. Match is sometimes surprisingly good at what it does in terms of the percentage match (only problem being is that as you get older your age starts to put you out of range for some of the ones you'd like to date). She drove about 2.5 hours during the day to come meet me for lunch, and was a lot better looking in person than her pics. I wanted to fuck her badly enough but the date was going more like a long-term relationship material date so I didn't want to make things awkward by suggesting we go to my house and fuck. After lunch we ended up going to an art museum, then a bookstore where she bought some books for her little girls (on her dime) and I enjoyed the day overall. We concluded we lived too far from each other to really start anything up, but if one of us were to either move closer to each other or find a reason to be in each others' city often, we would definitely try a relationship to see how it went. We remained friends and spoke in email and swapped pictures for years. I always respected her because when I met her, she was finishing her bachelors full time as well as supporting her kids and maintaining a decent living. After she graduated her career did even better, she bought a house, and continued to be self-supporting (at least I thought). That aspect of her always attracted me to her even beyond her looks. Well one day I saw her profile on a sugar daddy site, and while I didn't say anything to her about it, it completely destroyed the respect I had for her previously as I assumed that either she was never as self-supporting as I thought she had been, or she was just "throwing in the towel" in terms of believing in herself. I know life is hard for single moms but I think when someone gets over about 35 and they are still sugar babying, regardless of how attractive they are it says something about them as a person that I can't help but lose respect for. Basically it was disappointing to see her there... Didn't affect my friendship with her but it is what it is.

[FotoGuy1970]

Not sure if this has been covered so I thought I would raise the question here. We all have friends that are superhot the judge themselves on the number of Facebook friends they have. So through the years you add a number of different attractive women. Well it just so happened the other day when I went to renew my membership to SA I saw the profile of a girl I recognized as one of my friends on Facebook and has a ton of friends in common. She's definitely hot enough but as in real life I fear she may be GPS all the way.

Of course saying anything directly would most likely freak her out but she is my type I could run the game and take a chance that she won't recognize me or come from the POV of "hey, we both know what we are here for" and try to come to an agreement before connecting the dots. Of course that would be WAY after we've built a report and come to an understanding but shy of meeting...

What do you Seniors think?

Anyone ever come across a hottie you know on one of the sites?

Not too long ago, I related the story of when I came across the daughter of a woman I had dated off and on. It was actually a really strange feeling seeing someone I knew on there. Don't get me wrong, if things had aligned and she showed interest, I probably would have banged the shit out of her. But this girl created her profile and never logged back in to the site.

[Walruscl]

If your girl is hot I guarantee other girls are flirting with her. Just tell her to keep her antennae up. Where I live its quite common. But I am sure it happens everywhere.

Can't hurt. Though she's not hot in the traditional sense. Plain-Jane bookish face, introverted, a bit uncomfortable in her own skin. Which is intensely ironic when you see her in all of her skin. Personally I think she's hot as hell, but that's not at all obvious on first impression.

[HollywoodGuy]

Yeah, it's curious, because I'd been fantasizing a little bit about threesomes recently. But: (a) I didn't think she'd be into that (silly me), (b) I sure as hell wasn't going to be the one to bring it up, and (c) I didn't see how we could pull it off very easily.

And yeah, agree that I'm not the one to bring in the third party. The problem there is that she doesn't know anyone. In fact she specifically bemoaned that "there aren't enough bi women out there", and her social circles are pretty limited in that regard.

Alas, fun to think about, and pretty hot that she'd be game to do it at all.

If your girl is hot I guarantee other girls are flirting with her. Just tell her to keep her antennae up. Where I live its quite common. But I am sure it happens everywhere.

[JZLizard]

Yeah, it's curious, because I'd been fantasizing a little bit about threesomes recently. But: (a) I didn't think she'd be into that (silly me), (b) I sure as hell wasn't going to be the one to bring it up, and (c) I didn't see how we could pull it off very easily.

And yeah, agree that I'm not the one to bring in the third party. The problem there is that she doesn't know anyone. In fact she specifically bemoaned that "there aren't enough bi women out there", and her social circles are pretty limited in that regard.

Alas, fun to think about, and pretty hot that she'd be game to do it at all.

Some suggestions:

If you search the web for threesome hookup sites, there are plenty out there. I don't have first hand experiences with them so I couldn't tell you which ones, but you could also try the 3 NDR app: http://www.3nderapp.com.

I believe Craigslist has casual encounter forums for this very purpose.

Do some research on the web to see if you can find some lesbian friendly or swinger nightclubs and take her there to see what you can get into.

Some of the SD sites allow sugar mommas to go looking for SBs, so maybe that approach could work to your advantage?

[Walruscl]

I wish my ATF wanted that, as she attracts girls all the time (and she claims to be totally uninterested, if not outright creeped out by it). And most strippers are at least bi. But unless your girl is really is a bit out there, finding one from scratch is probably not advised. Better to let her bring the girl.

Yeah, it's curious, because I'd been fantasizing a little bit about threesomes recently. But: (a) I didn't think she'd be into that (silly me), (b) I sure as hell wasn't going to be the one to bring it up, and (c) I didn't see how we could pull it off very easily.

And yeah, agree that I'm not the one to bring in the third party. The problem there is that she doesn't know anyone. In fact she specifically bemoaned that "there aren't enough bi women out there", and her social circles are pretty limited in that regard.

Alas, fun to think about, and pretty hot that she'd be game to do it at all.

[Revvo]

Hello and thanks to all the posters in here. There is a wealth of knowledge! I have been getting my toes wet in the bowl for the last couple of months. I have been using the free sites (or mostly free sites) to work on my game so to speak. I do have a SO and do not want that situation to change. I travel with work and set my own schedule so I have several areas where I can play in the bowl. I have had the most success on WYP site. There are costs to this site, but they do not add up to much. I have also been trying SDT site. No costs. On the SDT site, I have sent out just over 20 intro, had 4 POTs with 3 disappearing and meeting one - 19 and good to go. Just not my type. Had fun and called it quits. For the most part SDT is a waste of time. On WYP. Quality here really varies as to the local. May have to do with where they spend their advertising dollars. This may be a good way to pick which sites you use. An advertise search for that website in your bowl area? Have been really working on my intro and texting game. Sent 25-30 requests. Had about half accept and begin chatting. This site has both civi's and SB's so make sure your profile really spells out what you are looking for. Boiled it down to 4 POTS. 2 of which are not SB. S ATLSB - 19 a bit flaky but lots of fun. And countrySB. Ex barrel racer. A bit taller then me a great potential for a long term arrangement. I read somewhere, that single moms made great SB's. So far I have found this to be true in that they are not as flakey as the 18-15 single ladies are. Working on the 2 other POTS. CollegePOT disappeared 2 days ago right before our meet. Believe she is out, but time will tell. ChattPOT, meet had a great M&G and then she backed off a bit. Trying to work out being a SB instead of a GF. We keep in touch and she is still sending pics and messages, not holding my breathe but the random pics are fun!

I have taken as much advice from this site and applied it to my game. I am using google voice for text and calls as well as google mail. Only issue with this set up is I can not receive pics as texts. Rest works really well. I have set up a SD persona that does not trace back to my actual life in any way. I am able to meet and play a couple of days a week and working on setting up a SB in each major city I travel too. This means each SB will get 2-5 dates a month. Ideally of course.

My question now. Do I keep playing in WYP or do I move on to SDFM, SA, other sites? I have a non paying profile on SBFM and have received a ton of emails. -- I believe most of these are fake as I do not have a pic on the site and a limited profile. I am not sure about SA because I have not found a way to do any free searches in my target areas. My target areas are Nashville, Lexington, Atlanta, Chattanooga and Asheville.

Thanks again for all the help. Indirectly and directly!

Canebay like the report. Very well done and welcome to the brotherhood. Tell us more about WYP. I have signed up and gotten many winks however I have never really participated. What have you done to be sucessfull. How do you separate the SB's from the real civilian women?

What are your findings so far? How much do you offer? Is it a negotiation that goes back and forth, and does this continue on to the FC?

Very interested.

On your question. I think that if you are doing well on WYP I would continue with it. If not then I would move on to another site. But don't get too caught up into too many sites at once. Try one and get good with it. And then try another. Also take your time. I was in a hurry at first and that got me in trouble. Also take breaks between hunts. You need time to digest and recharge.

And be careful out there.

Revvo.

[HollywoodGuy]

With my family situation (and the fact that I don't travel), overnights with my SB are a rare and glorious thing. Well, the stars aligned finally, and bliss ensued.

In the fantasies-I-didn't-know-I-had category, I was treated to a relentless BJ for the last fifteen minutes of the car ride after picking her up. Not sure I would do that again, and don't really recommend it, but... Wow, what a rush.

Short of a two-hour nap before having to rise and shine, it was playtime all night long. We've all heard the "all night long" line, and know that most of the time it's hyperbole. But I got to check off another fantasy from the bucket-list, because this time it was literally all night. The icing of course was that the nap didn't mark the end of the festivities, I awoke to a quick kiss then her going right back to town: extended BJ, then cowgirl because she couldn't stand it any longer.

In the wee hours she asked whether I watched porn: like, duh, what guy doesn't? So we compared our tastes, what got us off versus what we watched more as a curiousity, etc. Which is a discussion I've had with nobody else on the planet (the SO is decidedly not into porn-she doesn't mind if I am, but it's mostly don't-ask-don't-tell). So she's totally amazed that I watch porn, or more to the point, am willing to talk with her about it. And also finds it hot to be going at it while it's running in the background.

One example I showed was one of the more tasteful MFF threesomes, though I played it down as something I couldn't imagine actually doing. To which she replied, "that is *so* one of my fantasies! I really want to do that." We talked a little about what would be hot about actually doing it, but I didn't really take it seriously.

So later that day she says, "So, about that threesome thing: how do we make that happen? I *really* want to do that." I responded with the accepted wisdom from the brothers that she should probably be the one to find the other girl, since it's most important that she be comfortable. But her social circle isn't really amenable to that, so I figure for now it will be in the "fun to talk about" category. The path between just talking about it and doing it in a safe and secure fashion is such a minefield that I really don't see how we'd get there.

I know this has been discussed, and I'm pretty sure some of the brothers have done it. But my impression is that it happens usually because the girl already knows a willing partner, rather than a start-from-scratch search for a candidate like would happen here. Has anyone pulled off the latter strategy? It sure would be one hell of a fantasy to actually live, but I'm not willing to totally abandon my current risk profile for it.

What say ye?

I wish my ATF wanted that, as she attracts girls all the time (and she claims to be totally uninterested, if not outright creeped out by it). And most strippers are at least bi. But unless your girl is really is a bit out there, finding one from scratch is probably not advised. Better to let her bring the girl.

[Madaboutmax]

With my family situation (and the fact that I don't travel), overnights with my SB are a rare and glorious thing. Well, the stars aligned finally, and bliss ensued.

In the fantasies-I-didn't-know-I-had category, I was treated to a relentless BJ for the last fifteen minutes of the car ride after picking her up. Not sure I would do that again, and don't really recommend it, but... Wow, what a rush.

Short of a two-hour nap before having to rise and shine, it was playtime all night long. We've all heard the "all night long" line, and know that most of the time it's hyperbole. But I got to check off another fantasy from the bucket-list, because this time it was literally all night. The icing of course was that the nap didn't mark the end of the festivities, I awoke to a quick kiss then her going right back to town: extended BJ, then cowgirl because she couldn't stand it any longer.

In the wee hours she asked whether I watched porn: like, duh, what guy doesn't? So we compared our tastes, what got us off versus what we watched more as a curiousity, etc. Which is a discussion I've had with nobody else on the planet (the SO is decidedly not into porn-she doesn't mind if I am, but it's mostly don't-ask-don't-tell). So she's totally amazed that I watch porn, or more to the point, am willing to talk with her about it. And also finds it hot to be going at it while it's running in the background.

One example I showed was one of the more tasteful MFF threesomes, though I played it down as something I couldn't imagine actually doing. To which she replied, "that is *so* one of my fantasies! I really want to do that." We talked a little about what would be hot about actually doing it, but I didn't really take it seriously.

So later that day she says, "So, about that threesome thing: how do we make that happen? I *really* want to do that." I responded with the accepted wisdom from the brothers that she should probably be the one to find the other girl, since it's most important that she be comfortable. But her social circle isn't really amenable to that, so I figure for now it will be in the "fun to talk about" category. The path between just talking about it and doing it in a safe and secure fashion is such a minefield that I really don't see how we'd get there.

I know this has been discussed, and I'm pretty sure some of the brothers have done it. But my impression is that it happens usually because the girl already knows a willing partner, rather than a start-from-scratch search for a candidate like would happen here. Has anyone pulled off the latter strategy? It sure would be one hell of a fantasy to actually live, but I'm not willing to totally abandon my current risk profile for it.

What say ye?

I have had 20+ threesomes. I'm actually not that into them because there is only one of me and they rarely turn out as good as planned. Very few sexual experiences are as good if they require too much planning and threesomes usually require a lot of planning. It works best when it is the girls idea. The best times I've had is taking a girl to s stripclub and she really hit it off with a dancer who decided to come home with us.

In summary, it needs to be the girls call, but you can create the right environment (going to a strip club togetheer). Always best if it is more spontaneous and involves a woman I'm very interested in.

Good luck!

[JoeBlowDC]

Not sure if this has been covered so I thought I would raise the question here. We all have friends that are superhot the judge themselves on the number of Facebook friends they have. So through the years you add a number of different attractive women. Well it just so happened the other day when I went to renew my membership to SA I saw the profile of a girl I recognized as one of my friends on Facebook and has a ton of friends in common. She's definitely hot enough but as in real life I fear she may be GPS all the way.

Of course saying anything directly would most likely freak her out but she is my type I could run the game and take a chance that she won't recognize me or come from the POV of "hey, we both know what we are here for" and try to come to an agreement before connecting the dots. Of course that would be WAY after we've built a report and come to an understanding but shy of meeting...

What do you Seniors think?

Anyone ever come across a hottie you know on one of the sites?

[Walruscl]

With my family situation (and the fact that I don't travel), overnights with my SB are a rare and glorious thing. Well, the stars aligned finally, and bliss ensued.

In the fantasies-I-didn't-know-I-had category, I was treated to a relentless BJ for the last fifteen minutes of the car ride after picking her up. Not sure I would do that again, and don't really recommend it, but... Wow, what a rush.

Short of a two-hour nap before having to rise and shine, it was playtime all night long. We've all heard the "all night long" line, and know that most of the time it's hyperbole. But I got to check off another fantasy from the bucket-list, because this time it was literally all night. The icing of course was that the nap didn't mark the end of the festivities, I awoke to a quick kiss then her going right back to town: extended BJ, then cowgirl because she couldn't stand it any longer.

In the wee hours she asked whether I watched porn: like, duh, what guy doesn't? So we compared our tastes, what got us off versus what we watched more as a curiousity, etc. Which is a discussion I've had with nobody else on the planet (the SO is decidedly not into porn-she doesn't mind if I am, but it's mostly don't-ask-don't-tell). So she's totally amazed that I watch porn, or more to the point, am willing to talk with her about it. And also finds it hot to be going at it while it's running in the background.

One example I showed was one of the more tasteful MFF threesomes, though I played it down as something I couldn't imagine actually doing. To which she replied, "that is *so* one of my fantasies! I really want to do that." We talked a little about what would be hot about actually doing it, but I didn't really take it seriously.

So later that day she says, "So, about that threesome thing: how do we make that happen? I *really* want to do that." I responded with the accepted wisdom from the brothers that she should probably be the one to find the other girl, since it's most important that she be comfortable. But her social circle isn't really amenable to that, so I figure for now it will be in the "fun to talk about" category. The path between just talking about it and doing it in a safe and secure fashion is such a minefield that I really don't see how we'd get there.

I know this has been discussed, and I'm pretty sure some of the brothers have done it. But my impression is that it happens usually because the girl already knows a willing partner, rather than a start-from-scratch search for a candidate like would happen here. Has anyone pulled off the latter strategy? It sure would be one hell of a fantasy to actually live, but I'm not willing to totally abandon my current risk profile for it.

What say ye?

[JZLizard]

You can receive pictures via google voice. What happens is you will get a message saying MMS Receive and the picture will be forwarded to the gmail account that your google voice is linked to.

I just use the Hushed app (they have it for iOS and Android). It's just an app that works just like your regular phone except it can keep contacts separate (you have a choice to add to Hushed contacts or phone contacts every time you add a new contact). You can passcode lock the app itself, bury it in folders so nobody even knows its on your phone, and set it up so that the incoming texts and alerts are silent. It's not completely free but it's very economical, a $10 refill goes a long way and you can just refill as an app store purchase. It supports picture messages too of course.

Google's entire business model is based on mining information about you and selling it to advertisers. I never recommend Google products to anyone seeking privacy.

I would use Hushed even if I weren't SDing occasionally just for the ease and low cost of setting up disposable phone numbers.

[Falar]

You can receive pictures via google voice. What happens is you will get a message saying MMS Receive and the picture will be forwarded to the gmail account that your google voice is linked to.

Hello and thanks to all the posters in here. There is a wealth of knowledge! I have been getting my toes wet in the bowl for the last couple of months. I have been using the free sites (or mostly free sites) to work on my game so to speak. I do have a SO and do not want that situation to change. I travel with work and set my own schedule so I have several areas where I can play in the bowl. I have had the most success on WYP site. There are costs to this site, but they do not add up to much. I have also been trying SDT site. No costs. On the SDT site, I have sent out just over 20 intro, had 4 POTs with 3 disappearing and meeting one - 19 and good to go. Just not my type. Had fun and called it quits. For the most part SDT is a waste of time. On WYP. Quality here really varies as to the local. May have to do with where they spend their advertising dollars. This may be a good way to pick which sites you use. An advertise search for that website in your bowl area? Have been really working on my intro and texting game. Sent 25-30 requests. Had about half accept and begin chatting. This site has both civi's and SB's so make sure your profile really spells out what you are looking for. Boiled it down to 4 POTS. 2 of which are not SB. S ATLSB - 19 a bit flaky but lots of fun. And countrySB. Ex barrel racer. A bit taller then me a great potential for a long term arrangement. I read somewhere, that single moms made great SB's. So far I have found this to be true in that they are not as flakey as the 18-15 single ladies are. Working on the 2 other POTS. CollegePOT disappeared 2 days ago right before our meet. Believe she is out, but time will tell. ChattPOT, meet had a great M&G and then she backed off a bit. Trying to work out being a SB instead of a GF. We keep in touch and she is still sending pics and messages, not holding my breathe but the random pics are fun!

I have taken as much advice from this site and applied it to my game. I am using google voice for text and calls as well as google mail. Only issue with this set up is I can not receive pics as texts. Rest works really well. I have set up a SD persona that does not trace back to my actual life in any way. I am able to meet and play a couple of days a week and working on setting up a SB in each major city I travel too. This means each SB will get 2-5 dates a month. Ideally of course.

My question now. Do I keep playing in WYP or do I move on to SDFM, SA, other sites? I have a non paying profile on SBFM and have received a ton of emails. -- I believe most of these are fake as I do not have a pic on the site and a limited profile. I am not sure about SA because I have not found a way to do any free searches in my target areas. My target areas are Nashville, Lexington, Atlanta, Chattanooga and Asheville.

Thanks again for all the help. Indirectly and directly!

[CaneBay]

Hello and thanks to all the posters in here. There is a wealth of knowledge! I have been getting my toes wet in the bowl for the last couple of months. I have been using the free sites (or mostly free sites) to work on my game so to speak. I do have a SO and do not want that situation to change. I travel with work and set my own schedule so I have several areas where I can play in the bowl. I have had the most success on WYP site. There are costs to this site, but they do not add up to much. I have also been trying SDT site. No costs. On the SDT site, I have sent out just over 20 intro, had 4 POTs with 3 disappearing and meeting one - 19 and good to go. Just not my type. Had fun and called it quits. For the most part SDT is a waste of time. On WYP. Quality here really varies as to the local. May have to do with where they spend their advertising dollars. This may be a good way to pick which sites you use. An advertise search for that website in your bowl area? Have been really working on my intro and texting game. Sent 25-30 requests. Had about half accept and begin chatting. This site has both civi's and SB's so make sure your profile really spells out what you are looking for. Boiled it down to 4 POTS. 2 of which are not SB. S ATLSB - 19 a bit flaky but lots of fun. And countrySB. Ex barrel racer. A bit taller then me a great potential for a long term arrangement. I read somewhere, that single moms made great SB's. So far I have found this to be true in that they are not as flakey as the 18-15 single ladies are. Working on the 2 other POTS. CollegePOT disappeared 2 days ago right before our meet. Believe she is out, but time will tell. ChattPOT, meet had a great M&G and then she backed off a bit. Trying to work out being a SB instead of a GF. We keep in touch and she is still sending pics and messages, not holding my breathe but the random pics are fun!

I have taken as much advice from this site and applied it to my game. I am using google voice for text and calls as well as google mail. Only issue with this set up is I can not receive pics as texts. Rest works really well. I have set up a SD persona that does not trace back to my actual life in any way. I am able to meet and play a couple of days a week and working on setting up a SB in each major city I travel too. This means each SB will get 2-5 dates a month. Ideally of course.

My question now. Do I keep playing in WYP or do I move on to SDFM, SA, other sites? I have a non paying profile on SBFM and have received a ton of emails. -- I believe most of these are fake as I do not have a pic on the site and a limited profile. I am not sure about SA because I have not found a way to do any free searches in my target areas. My target areas are Nashville, Lexington, Atlanta, Chattanooga and Asheville.

Thanks again for all the help. Indirectly and directly!

[FredMoore]

Sooooooooo I got a delicate situation at hand. 3 months ago a SB sends me a text saying she lost it. I'm thinking she lost her mind or lost her house. She goes around in circles and finally tells me she lost the baby. Hmmm? I had no idea she was pregnant and 3 months into the pregnancy for that matter. I'm saddened and relieved but still, why wait 3 months to inform me? Fast forward to now. She admits to lying about the miscarriage so now she is 7 months and every now and then, she sends a picture of the tummy. Well, (Gulp) let's see. She is pretty independent, she says she doesn't need me, she says she can handle this on her own and she lives 1500 miles away. Am I on a clear path to home plate or will there be problems up ahead? In other words, can she say she has no clue as to who the father is or how will all this play out?

Hope that she is not a scammer and that she can handle this baby on her own. Since she lives so far away and I'm guessing you don't see her that often the odds are good that she has another (s) regular guys in her life and that someone else is the baby daddy. She will go to someone for child support, why wouldn't she? Since she isn't hitting you up she probably knows you aren't the Daddy. If she asks for support at least you can demand a paternity test.