"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**HollywoodGuy** · 09-27-13 01:02

Originally Posted by John Draven [View Original Post]

Wanted to say hi to everyone and been reading the forum first. Still haven't decided in which site to start. I live out in Michigan, not sure if there that many potential SB compared to Richmond, Virginia area. Only thing I know are the strip clubs here are much better than other states. In terms of extra. Tired of that scene and it is not cheap. Has any one had luck in Michigan? Or are certain states or city provide greener pasture than others?

Looking forward for some guidance and will contribute value back to the forum.

J. Draven

I say the pasture is as green as you make it. You would think a bigger city would be better, more girls etc. But I talk to girls around the country and it seems that in the smaller areas the girls are literally starving for attention. So don't let that stop you. What city you in?

**John Draven** · 09-26-13 23:51

Wanted to say hi to everyone and been reading the forum first. Still haven't decided in which site to start. I live out in Michigan, not sure if there that many potential SB compared to Richmond, Virginia area. Only thing I know are the strip clubs here are much better than other states. In terms of extra. Tired of that scene and it is not cheap. Has any one had luck in Michigan? Or are certain states or city provide greener pasture than others?

Looking forward for some guidance and will contribute value back to the forum.

J. Draven

**HollywoodGuy** · 09-26-13 23:03

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

t may be that nothing comes of it except some awesome daydreams, and of course yogic enlightenment, and I'm fine with that. I have other young pussies to attend to.

Nothing like fucking one SB and thinking of another. These girls provide way more than enough fantasy materiel to never bother with porn. LOL

**BikeRider** · 09-26-13 20:04

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

So I know I've told you all she is Asian, Japanese as it turns out (I've stalked her just a bit LOL) , so she has that thing where she has very little, if any, body hair. She is as slick as a little otter.

Good heavens,

Scott

Important information. If she grew up in the US, then you still need to determine if she's flirting or being nice. If she grew up in Japan, you just won the lottery. Japanese women tend not to engage like you've described unless they're interested (unless they're westernized). The best year of my life was when a Japanese TV actress asked me out!

When the time is right don't ask her out. Tell her you're taking her out. Lots of guys will say "would you like to X". Instead say "Let's go do X". Its a subtle difference, but it makes a huge difference. Most women like men who are confident and make decisions. Since you've stalked her, take her for a smoothie between classes (no pun intended).

As for your observations about hot yoga, you're absolutely right. A former FWB (Cantonese) in LA a few years back was a hot yoga instructor. I'd attend her class when I was in town, and I was usually the only guy there. She was bisexual so we'd often talk about the eye candy later that day / night in bed!

**F Scott** · 09-26-13 18:55

So I know I've told you all she is Asian, Japanese as it turns out (I've stalked her just a bit LOL) , so she has that thing where she has very little, if any, body hair. She is as slick as a little otter.

Good heavens,

Scott

**F Scott** · 09-26-13 17:53

Originally Posted by BikeRider [View Original Post]

Scott. I'd play the long game here. We (guys) tend to take any interest from a HYB as flirting or interest. Some times they're just being nice. Some times they're just doing their job. Some times they are flirting! You need to figure out what she's doing. Could be she's just good at recruiting! .

Look for subtle hints that's she's flirting such as playing with her hair while talking to you etc. Build-up some rapport over time, and then go for it like you don't really care how she answers. If she says no, keep going to yoga. No reason to stop, and you might get a second chance.

Finally, I've had two FWB's over the last decade that were yoga instructors. They are definitely more open-minded than your average woman on the street. Tally-ho!

Bike,

I agree that I need to push my horizon out on this one, but it occurred to me today that the contemplation and slow pursuit of this is as much fun as when I buy a lottery ticket. I have no real expectation of winning, but the fantasies that play out in my head are more than worth the 2 bucks I've spent, and the possibility, however remote, is always there. As I see it, it is the cheapest entertainment around, and that is how I am going to think of this situation. At the very least, it will get me going to class on a regular basis, which I recommend to all the brothers out there. In seven months I have lost 20 pounds, 4 inches off my waist, and for the first time ever, even though I was an athlete in college, I have a clearly-defined six pack. Plus I am one of two or three guys in a hot room lined with mirrors with a dozen or more MILFS three to four times a week, and they are all toned and sweaty. It is soft-core porn at its best.

Back to Jenn, I am readjusting my expectations for this. She is not an SB, but a true civi, and I haven't pursued one of those for decades. It may be that nothing comes of it except some awesome daydreams, and of course yogic enlightenment, and I'm fine with that. I have other young pussies to attend to.

Be assured, my brothers, I will keep you up to date,

Scott

**BikeRider** · 09-26-13 13:43

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Brothers,

Thank you all for all the great advice. I agree that nothing ventured, nothing gained, and I will be no worse off than I am now. Being in the Bowl has certainly taught me how to talk to HYBs in an easy, flirty but respectful way, and I think I just have to go with that.

Fred, I also am liking the idea of a private class. My one small fear is that I won't be able to do all the poses to the level she will require, and I'll look like the creaky old fossil that I am. Offsetting this is the vision of a sweaty Jenn standing close and touching me to "correct" my posture. It would also give me a chance to talk her up a bit more in private. After class there are always other people milling around, the bastards!

Nostra, I also like the idea of starting a conversation which then gets interrupted, necessitating its continuance at a coffee shop at a later date. I may combine the two and see if I can get a better idea as to whether she is interested or not.

Scott

Scott. I'd play the long game here. We (guys) tend to take any interest from a HYB as flirting or interest. Some times they're just being nice. Some times they're just doing their job. Some times they are flirting! You need to figure out what she's doing. Could be she's just good at recruiting! .

Look for subtle hints that's she's flirting such as playing with her hair while talking to you etc. Build-up some rapport over time, and then go for it like you don't really care how she answers. If she says no, keep going to yoga. No reason to stop, and you might get a second chance.

Finally, I've had two FWB's over the last decade that were yoga instructors. They are definitely more open-minded than your average woman on the street. Tally-ho!

**F Scott** · 09-26-13 12:55

Brothers,

Thank you all for all the great advice. I agree that nothing ventured, nothing gained, and I will be no worse off than I am now. Being in the Bowl has certainly taught me how to talk to HYBs in an easy, flirty but respectful way, and I think I just have to go with that.

Fred, I also am liking the idea of a private class. My one small fear is that I won't be able to do all the poses to the level she will require, and I'll look like the creaky old fossil that I am. Offsetting this is the vision of a sweaty Jenn standing close and touching me to "correct" my posture. It would also give me a chance to talk her up a bit more in private. After class there are always other people milling around, the bastards!

Nostra, I also like the idea of starting a conversation which then gets interrupted, necessitating its continuance at a coffee shop at a later date. I may combine the two and see if I can get a better idea as to whether she is interested or not.

As for pretending I'm not married, that won't fly as I wear a wedding band, and she certainly has seen it. This gives me a small amount of hope, actually. She knows I'm married, so would only be expecting a mistress-type arrangement if things ever got that far. I need to be careful not to move too quickly, as I really don't want to stop going to yoga if things go south and she gets freaked out. On the other hand, if she seems receptive to something outside of class, we both know she is "seeing" a married man, which only leads to one place, the FC, right? Clearly this will take some time to unfold. It is not like an m&g with a baby from SA, where a $3. 00 latte and some joking around will get POTF the next time you are together. On the third hand, how much can a yoga teacher make? Maybe she is looking for some assistance, and the "hints" I have been getting are in fact legit.

In any event, onward! I spent the better part of last night thinking about how awesome it would be to bang that sweet little body, and there's no turning back. Maybe we could do it in the studio, at 110 degrees! Did I mention she has a pierced navel? The mind reels!

Tigg and Bike, great posts. It just goes to show you never know where the pussy can come from.

Scott

**BikeRider** · 09-26-13 12:13

Work has been kicking me lately, and at the same time a few long term development efforts paid off. The end result was a total lack of time to follow the board. But, I had to share this latest date.

About a year ago, I started I'm'ing with a 25 yod Indonesian girl from AM. I messaged her shortly after she joined, and she deleted her profile shortly after we made contact. She said most of the guys were "creepy".

She married an older gentleman who has performance issues evidently. We IM'd on and off for the past year, and she clearly wanted some fun. I could also tell she was very hesitant to step-out of her marriage. She did share lots of great pics though. She's not a spinner. A petite size 4, but has probably the most perfect 34D cup breasts I've ever seen- perky and not saggy.

Our last conversation (a few months ago) was that she wanted to focus on school and her marriage. I told her I admired her devotion and her husband was a lucky guy. I addded that I'd be here if she ever wanted to talk again.

A few days ago she shows up on IM after a long absence. I said hi and asked how she was doing. We had small talk for about 15 minutes, and then out of the blue she says "I'm super horny". I laughed and said "I'm always super horny!" and I added "too bad we can meet this afternoon". Much to my surprise, she says OK. I couldn't afford an afternoon away from the office, but I also couldn't pass up this opportunity. Lightning only strikes once. I arranged for a room near her, and she picked-up lunch. I provided the wine.

Gentleman. This woman hadn't had sex for 2+ years. I did my best to make-up for it in the 4+ hours we were together. We didn't do anything fancy. Just long passionate sex. Neither of us wanted to go, but we both knew we had to do so. She said she wanted to see me again. But contact has been limited since our date. I'd guess she's struggling with the morality of stepping out. Hopefully, she'll get "super horny" again here soon!

**FredMoore** · 09-26-13 11:26

I like the private lesson request Scottie. It is an obvious low key request for some 1 on 1 time with her and if she agrees you are in like Flint. Then you can probe where to do it .pun intended. Even if she says at the studio you will get lone time to continue the discourse, which hopefully will lead to intercourse.

Good luck! We are all in the Dog Down position awaiting the outcome of your session

**Nostra3** · 09-26-13 10:14

Next time you see her tell her about how wonderful you feel since you've started doing yoga. Inevitably she'll say something about how much it's done for her, too. Off the cuff tell her something like "You know, it's not just my body but also my mind. I have felt calm and my whole outlook has changed." Since she has taken up yoga as a profession she will undoubtedly start to tell you about how it has changed her. You've now got a real and sincere conversation going. At that point all of the sudden you have somewhere you have to be right now, but you really want to talk to her more about it because you have been thinking so much about it."Maybe we can grab a coffee so I can hear the whole story? Can I give you a call when I know my schedule better? (if she hesitates) Or can we just plan on it after your next class?"

That would be my play. Totally harmless and not creepy if she says no or hesitates. I hear from women all the time that guys just aren't easy to talk to and connect with and they are always just hitting on them completely out of context. Listening, check, context, check.

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

My brothers,

I had a second class with my hot, hot yoga teacher yesterday, and I just can't figure out what's going on. Maybe wiser minds than mine can weigh in.

So I get to class and see that Jennifer is the teacher for that time slot. Scottie immediately starts his stretching exercises, and I smile broadly as I approach the sign-in desk. She looks up, sees it's me, and smiles as well, saying "Hey Scott, it's good to see you. I've missed you the past couple of weeks." (I have been going in the afternoons due to work load, so this is the first time I'm back at my normal morning time).

I reply that I've missed her as well, and am glad to see her teaching, since she always inspires me to push myself a little harder. As I'm standing there, she is clearly looking me over, at least I think (hope) she is. I go into the class room, and put my mat directly in front of the teacher's platform, which is not my normal spot, so as to have an unobstructed view of the Fineness That Is Jenny.

Class starts, and she is not wearing the skimpy unitard from last time, but has changed into a cotton bikini top and small, tight cotton "boy shorts", so I now have a clear view of her fantastic, toned, taut body, superfine ass, and that sweet spot just a few inches above the camel toe. Scottie is losing it at this point, and I am thankful that my shirt is not tucked into my shorts.

As class progresses, she gets sweatier and sweatier, until her entire body is glistening, and her clothes are soaked through. Again, I can clearly see that she is shaved, and I am dizzy with excitement, while at the same time I am struggling to get the poses, maintain my balance, and working like a dog.

After class, I chat her up a bit, saying again how glad I am to see her, and she tells me that she was noticing how much I've improved since I started, and how much more defined and muscular my body is (which it is, but when you start with a marshmallow.) We laugh a bit more, then I head out and that was that.

So my question to you all is this: was she flirting? And if so, what is my next step? I realized as I was heading to work that I have been spoiled somewhat by my time in the Bowl in that I know that the baby I'm talking to at the m&g understands where we are headed, provided all hurdles are mutually cleared. With Yoga Baby, I don't know what is next. Continue to flirt? Is that as far as it will go? Ask her out for coffee? Ask for a private class? Do nothing? Enjoy the frisson and let it go at that? What to do?

On the one hand, my gut says she is flirting, but on the other hand, maybe she just likes to get attention from older guys. The last thing I want to do is come off like a creep. Again, what would your next step be, knowing that I am totally out in the open here in terms of secret identity? The only thing she doesn't know about me is my ATM password.

I await your wisdom, and as a side note am happy to see so many newbies signing in. It is a grand adventure, that is certain, but not for the faint of heart.

Namaste,

Scott

**BigTigger** · 09-26-13 09:53

Originally Posted by Happy Lover [View Original Post]

Hi Guys,

I started seeing escorts earlier this year and I'm already over that scene. It just doesn't fulfill my needs. No emotional connection. Most young escorts have too many rules. I'm tired of these unappreciative escorts. I've helped out a few of them with barely a thank you.

I noticed this forum on the "Front Page" and it caught my eye. My hat is off to all of you for venturing out into the bowl. It's a fair amount of work to set up with intro letters, finances, emails, pictures, profiles, etc, before the fun even begins, and you have all put forth the effort with some GREAT results. I'm reading through your SD encyclopedia and it is a wealth of knowledge. I'll do my best to learn as much as possible before I start asking questions. I'd hate to be that F. N. G! LOL.

Work has been a bit slow as of late and it's cutting into my discretionary funds. For now I'll set up, learn, and contribute where I can. I'm looking forward to living up to my user name.

Happy Hunting,

HL

Welcome Happy. You seem to be in the right place for the right reason with the right attitude. I wish you luck and you will find that done correctly, the sugar bowl is much more rewarding. Even if you paid the same amount as escorts, you will get more time, more priority, more passion and very willing sexual subjects.

Don't forget to write.

BT

**BigTigger** · 09-26-13 09:41

We had an impromptu meeting last night. Our Tiggabounce date is tonight I wanted to have a quick meeting to make out some more and prime the pump per se. It was supposed to be an hour of getting coffee and dessert, but I got delayed and every thing was closed. So we rode around some and talked until I found a parking lot overlooking some water.

There I told some funny SB stories and kept sprinkling in long kisses. Eventually it turned into a hot make out session with my hands all over that body. Since it was a fairly public place I did not want to get in the backseat, so I had her get out and we continued outside leaning on the hood. This girl is extremely passionate. She loves kissing and she knows how to move that body. At some point she turned around and just started grinding that wonderful butt all over the Tiggastick, with my hands all over those boobs. It was like being in high school all over again. We easily spent over an hour total just kissing and rubbing our body parts all over each other.

It was late and I had a long drive. So we agreed to get a room tonight as part of our date. She asked a lot of sex questions as she really wants to please me tonight. On my way home I was marvelling at this find. She just turned 21, she is very sexual, follows instructions and very low maintenance. The plan is to enjoy her passionate juices tonight, Sunday and twice next week. After that I will get a better balance between her and MsLilMama. Interestingly, I cancelled a couch date with MsLilMama to see her last night.

8/9. 5/10/ (face / body / personality / skills)

I will update more after tonight.

BT

**HollywoodGuy** · 09-26-13 03:19

Wow. Not used to this CL civi dating. I saw my 21 year old responder (picture in prior post). She has sort of a hippy girl attitude. She believes in free love, that may not be so freely given. Now I know why I SD date. The rules are clear and my time is dear.

This girl has to like me for real for real and is not hard up for great sex or money. Which is bestowed upon her by man and woman alike (and steady work). I spent 12 hours with her today just to get to know her, and not in a biblical way.

There was no talk of sugar or spice or anything nasty or nice. Her last SD. Yes there was one (and only one). Was an overly generous fool that she actually kicked to the curb for being too possessive and not very sexual. Not problems she is likely to encounter from me.

So only time will tell if this girl rings my bell.

BTW... I did finally figure out how to get real girls to respond to my CL ad. All I will say is I dropped my shotgun and picked up my 22.

**Genxkva** · 09-25-13 23:50

My 2 cents, if the girl is talking to you, she is flirting. The question is where she wants to take that. I am sure she likes the attention your paying her. I would expect you could do something publicly one on one and find the opportunity to hug / brush up against her and see the reaction.

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

My brothers,

I had a second class with my hot, hot yoga teacher yesterday, and I just can't figure out what's going on. Maybe wiser minds than mine can weigh in.

So I get to class and see that Jennifer is the teacher for that time slot. Scottie immediately starts his stretching exercises, and I smile broadly as I approach the sign-in desk. She looks up, sees it's me, and smiles as well, saying "Hey Scott, it's good to see you. I've missed you the past couple of weeks." (I have been going in the afternoons due to work load, so this is the first time I'm back at my normal morning time).

I reply that I've missed her as well, and am glad to see her teaching, since she always inspires me to push myself a little harder. As I'm standing there, she is clearly looking me over, at least I think (hope) she is. I go into the class room, and put my mat directly in front of the teacher's platform, which is not my normal spot, so as to have an unobstructed view of the Fineness That Is Jenny.

Class starts, and she is not wearing the skimpy unitard from last time, but has changed into a cotton bikini top and small, tight cotton "boy shorts", so I now have a clear view of her fantastic, toned, taut body, superfine ass, and that sweet spot just a few inches above the camel toe. Scottie is losing it at this point, and I am thankful that my shirt is not tucked into my shorts.

As class progresses, she gets sweatier and sweatier, until her entire body is glistening, and her clothes are soaked through. Again, I can clearly see that she is shaved, and I am dizzy with excitement, while at the same time I am struggling to get the poses, maintain my balance, and working like a dog.

After class, I chat her up a bit, saying again how glad I am to see her, and she tells me that she was noticing how much I've improved since I started, and how much more defined and muscular my body is (which it is, but when you start with a marshmallow.) We laugh a bit more, then I head out and that was that.

So my question to you all is this: was she flirting? And if so, what is my next step? I realized as I was heading to work that I have been spoiled somewhat by my time in the Bowl in that I know that the baby I'm talking to at the m&g understands where we are headed, provided all hurdles are mutually cleared. With Yoga Baby, I don't know what is next. Continue to flirt? Is that as far as it will go? Ask her out for coffee? Ask for a private class? Do nothing? Enjoy the frisson and let it go at that? What to do?

On the one hand, my gut says she is flirting, but on the other hand, maybe she just likes to get attention from older guys. The last thing I want to do is come off like a creep. Again, what would your next step be, knowing that I am totally out in the open here in terms of secret identity? The only thing she doesn't know about me is my ATM password.

I await your wisdom, and as a side note am happy to see so many newbies signing in. It is a grand adventure, that is certain, but not for the faint of heart.

Namaste,

Scott