"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**HollywoodGuy** · 09-02-13 12:52

So I have had my new profile on SD4M for about 8 days and have just sat there to see who responds. I got about 80 messages of which about 10 were real and maybe 3 were interesting. I have narrowed it down to 1 that I am messaging.

I only post this for the new guys. You can pretty much disregard the first full week or two of unsolicited responses as they are mostly BS. I intentionally made the focus of the ad very narrow so as to appeal to the least number of girls possible. I put a code word in the profile and ask them to message me with the code word in the subject line, which about 10% to 20% have done.

I will probably only keep it up there for 2 months and then try another one. I will keep my old profile up and continue to target only brand new girls (as in it's their first day on the site) that are 18 to 20 unless they are true spinner materiel in which case I guess they could be any age.

**BigTigger** · 09-02-13 12:08

MsCoolSlim. Easily one of the prettiest is excited about meeting on Wed. We have exchanged a few emails since we set the date. I'm not 100% sure how long it's going to take for the Tiggabounce, I know she's been a bit skittish about the whole online thing. I do know, she's not had sex in over a year and she just started dating again. So I'm going to put a full court press on her for the next week and try to close this deal. Wed, I'll pay for the meal and give her. 50 for gas. I'll then set up another date, movie, dinner. And do much more flirting and hopefully get in some good kissing, I'll give her another. 50. Then setup the third date as a dinner date with the hotel option.

FYI: I've started a new approach to getting to the Tiggabounce faster. It's new to me, but many others have used it a lot. When planning the dinner date I ask,"is it ok to have dinner at a really nice hotel restaurant and we can decide by the end of dinner to move the fun to a room?" This has worked for me more often than not. It also quickly let's you know where here mind is at. I'll do that with MsSlimCool on date #3.

I have a date with MsPreLaw (22 years old) on Wed night and hit her with almost that exact question. She was all for it. This one is willing to take $ per meet, whenever I'm free.

The 21 year old AA spinner and I are meeting tomorrow night at a nice hotel restaurant with option of a room. I'm going to have to call her, MsNSASpinner as she does not communicate much and seems to really be into the NSA, let's just plan and do it, no need for a bunch of talk in between, LOL. I still think she might be semi-pro, but I'm still sticking to our financial agreement regardless, LOL.

Another hit from AF. 25 year old AA. 5'1 with small be-cups, but nice bottom. She has the exact same body as my ATF that I'm seeing. Except she's much closer, available more and younger. She has a job and is only looking for a little extra. She's agreed to $ per meet also (I presented it as twice a week $800 per month). We are going to have an impromptu M&G today. Something simple, probably about an hour and I'll give her gas money. I expect that by first real date, we'll be having the Tiggabounce!

Keep up the good work guys and by all means report back.

BigTigg

**BigTigger** · 09-02-13 11:53

I wish you the best with your new decision. Your input has been invaluable and I've always appreciated your wisdom and candor.

BT.

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

Thanks guys for your kind words. I'll be reading your stories with eager anticipation. The answer to your quick question Revvo is anything but quick. LOL.

The" formula " for each one of us depends on our age, looks, charm, and sugar offer. Some of you come in with impossibly cheap (or free) babies and others spend a fortune. I am in the middle. I am lucky to have everything in the plus column except age, so I feel that I need to pay a little more to compete in the market I like, The 20s. I am 60ish, look 48 to 52 but still waaay too old for a 22 yr old to feel like I could possibly be an IRL candidate. Some of you are 30 to 40 and 20 somethings can see you as a potential lover rather than a daddy. Therefore they might be willing to date you for gas money or a nice meal. I'm a sugar grand daddy (SGD).

Ratings : (only make offers to the best)

Are totally personal, so my 10 might be your 8. But I do set pretty high standards. I only contact girls who are 8+ in the looks dept to begin with. I require a firm toned body and a pretty face, so right off the bat I have an 8to10/8to10/? . Occasionally the pics might be 5 yrs old and 20 Lbs lighter and if I am in a dry spell I will try them out, but will not keep them in the rotation. Attitude counts for a huge amount and can skew your impression of looks by virtue of her presentation. Finally, skills do not matter to me if looks and attitude are right. Plain vanilla fucking is still a hell of a lot of fun with an inexperienced girl who is eager and enthusiastic.

Location is key:

I believe you need to be in or near a large metro area with multiple colleges nearby. Central Va is ideal because Richmond is only 60 to 90 minutes away from DC, NOVA, and Tidewater. There is a huge military presence in Tidewater and my last 2 SBs were both military. Without counting there are over 10 colleges within 90 miles of Richmond. That represents a lot of HCBs who are broke and know about the Sugar world. You must stay at least 60 miles away from your home base if you have a SO. This allows you to date in the open more easily and hopefully not get spotted.

Sugar :

Last but not least. I pay $$.5 sometimes including Notel. If I pay for a Notel I add another $50. The total damage is $$$ plus entertainment. I usually take my baby out to dinner for an extra $ 50 to 75. The last Baby to scam me took $$.5 that I prepaid after seeing her for 5 or 6 times before that, but she didn't require food since she ate earlier with her kid, so in the end I saved a lot.

Perhaps I don't bargain hard enough but I feel that the price is fair if service is great.

Bottom line, if you are having a hard time attracting quality Babies 1) expand your search area to include a market I described above. 2) Polish your game by studying the "book" we all wrote. 3) set your standards higher, and 3) up your Sugar amount. You might not be as cute as Big Tigg or have game like F Scott and Hollywood. (Many of you are superstars, I don't mean to leave anyone out)

**BigTigger** · 09-02-13 11:29

MW welcome brother, it's good to see you her on this board. This board is a lot less drama than the other board we are on together. Enjoy the ride and keep reporting!

Rob, thanks for the info, I see now that I want not parts of SBs in Chicago, lol.

Looks like my AF time is getting ready to pay off. I have a few lined up for M&Gs soon. I'll keep you updated. One very nice feature is their Q&A section. I just started reading the Q&A from the POTs. One of the questions is "Would you have sex on the first date?". For those of us who are not quite as smooth to ensure first date success, this is a great help. Although I've had lots of success, my first date Tiggabounce rate pales in comparison to my second date success. So now it's the first answer I look for, hoping they answered it.

BigTigg

**Rob Taylor** · 09-01-13 21:14

Back in the game, I finally got back in the game in a huge way. As you know the Chicago market is not as good as other metro areas, but I think I'm getting the hang of it. First day back on SA and a Black BBW as for 500 per meetand then a white smaller BBW ask for 300 per meet. I was ready up to give just to go back to POF, but I struggled and long be hold TuesdayI starting talking to a girl and just five minutes ago a 34 yr old former blonde Maxim model and contestant on the bachelor just left my apartment, after being railed on my couch doggy style for about 3 hrs. Sex was average, but her hotness made up for it. If you include her dinners and drinks.

The damage was about $$$$ plus 50 mind you this in Chicago where average to below average white chick can get 300 per meet easy. So I really hit the jackpot here. She wasnt too happy about the price, but I caught her in a jam she has to pay her Benz car note, but has trip planned to Vegas next weekend. I am fairly certain this is her first online encounter due to the nervousness over the phone and text though she has had mostly rich boyfriends and a fling with Steve Kerr.

And I broke one of my rules. I never message girls asking for 3-5k, but I did this time and used the art of negotiation, and bam hit a grand slam. I'm still in awe I barely can type. I'm still going try that WYP site though I'm afraid that site might attract more pro's. I need to find some budget babies in case this one starts flaking once she gets back from Vegas or wants more money. This was my first experience with an super hot older woman.

**Revvo** · 09-01-13 09:12

Originally Posted by BuckHead44 [View Original Post]

Looking for a SB for some fun. Kind of a spinner type! Anyone got some suggestions? Thanks

Read the entire thread. And go get one.

**BikeRider** · 08-31-13 23:00

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

Not my usual M. O. There are exceptions to every rule. And she is one of them. 25 year old. 7/9/9/8.

Rules are made to be broken!

**BuckHead44** · 08-31-13 22:25

Looking for a SB for some fun. Kind of a spinner type! Anyone got some suggestions? Thanks

**HollywoodGuy** · 08-31-13 18:56

This is a girl I met a year ago at a party. She let me know that there might be some opportunity to sugar it up. After a year, we still have only what I refer to as outercourse. I know for a fact she lives with her boyfriend and has not been with any other guys. I like her so I don't mind investing $ a month (one visit a month) to keep pursuing her.

Not my usual M. O. There are exceptions to every rule. And she is one of them. 25 year old. 7/9/9/8.

Today she admitted to not doing the best job. I told her not to worry, I'll teach her how to do it the way I like.

**GeorgeRichmond** · 08-31-13 16:49

Originally Posted by KingGreg [View Original Post]

I observed that many of my post get displayed after 4-5 hours or later. How does it work? For example if I post it at 1 PM, I have seen it getting posted at 6-7PM or later. Plus it doesn't popup infront of the queue, it goes to 1 PM post time. So. My post is behind others.

I don't mind posting it. But it is disappointing. Yesterday I posted 2 items and don't think any of you even noticed it.

New members are on moderation until they have 6 months and 25 posts without an infraction. None of their posts go live until I clear them. The reason for this should be obvious.

I generally moderate the forum at around noon and midnight Buenos Aires time. Once you are a Senior your posts go live pretty much immediately.

A2

Thanks for the clarification. I appreciate the hardwork and dedication. Keep up the goodwork.

**GeorgeRichmond** · 08-31-13 15:22

I observed that many of my post get displayed after 4-5 hours or later. How does it work? For example if I post it at 1 PM, I have seen it getting posted at 6-7PM or later. Plus it doesn't popup infront of the queue, it goes to 1 PM post time. So. My post is behind others.

I don't mind posting it. But it is disappointing. Yesterday I posted 2 items and don't think any of you even noticed it.

New members are on moderation until they have 6 months and 25 posts without an infraction. None of their posts go live until I clear them. The reason for this should be obvious.

I generally moderate the forum at around noon and midnight Buenos Aires time. Once you are a Senior your posts go live pretty much immediately.

A2

**HollywoodGuy** · 08-31-13 14:17

Originally Posted by LoriTruck [View Original Post]

but I will be ready for my retest. I appreciate the feedback.

You are done with this one. Fuck the $50. What about the 4 hours of your time? And for what? To get flaked on. This is worse than flaking.

**Revvo** · 08-31-13 10:50

Originally Posted by BikeRider [View Original Post]

LT. I would pass on the re-test. She knows she has the upper-hand now, and getting her to the room may cause exactly the same problems you wanted to avoid. Even if you get her to agree before hand to go to a room, she's likely to manipulate things so she never gets there.

Find another candidate, and mark this one up as a learning experience. There are plenty of women in the bowl.

Note. This is why I've decided to generally avoid the teens unless the chat / txts / emails show some maturity.

I really like what BikeRider has to say here. When you are in a scarcity mentality you have a tendency to keep trying for something that is already lost. Move on and find another one.

She seems a little on the NANO1 side anyway. Even if you did get her it will probably be trouble down the road.

Revvo

**BikeRider** · 08-31-13 10:46

Originally Posted by LoriTruck [View Original Post]

It's highly unlikey that she will initiate another text but I will be ready for my retest. I appreciate the feedback.

LT. I would pass on the re-test. She knows she has the upper-hand now, and getting her to the room may cause exactly the same problems you wanted to avoid. Even if you get her to agree before hand to go to a room, she's likely to manipulate things so she never gets there.

Find another candidate, and mark this one up as a learning experience. There are plenty of women in the bowl.

Note. This is why I've decided to generally avoid the teens unless the chat / txts / emails show some maturity.

**LoriTruck** · 08-31-13 08:29

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

" We get in the car & I wait for her to suggest a place or even ask for her $ but she doesn't so we make our way to her place" Lori Truck.

I'm confused LT. The 1st thing out of your mouth in the post waffle experience should be "Do you prefer Motel 6 or 8?" When she says "I don't sleep with guys on the first date " you then say," Thanks for the interesting conversation, perhaps we can see each other again." She then asks "how about my sugar?" And you say " no sweets then no sugar " You get my drift? She played you nicely. You need to be direct and firm in your resolution to leave no motel unoccupied when you have a Baby in your car and money in your pocket. She wanted that money so you probably could have gotten her to give it up.

BTW, teeny boppers are fun to fuck but they are so skitzy. Be careful with them.

It's one of those situations were her reaction is unpredictable. She would probably refuse to get out of my car unless I paid her for her time. I didn't want to stir anything up. No telling, all it takes is a quick phone call to her roomies & my tires are slashed, or worse. I didn't want to leave anything to chance. Let's say she refuses to leave my car, & I refuse to compensate her, and I decide to pull off with her still in my car, then kidnapping & crazy things like such come into play, simply over $50. Watch the news, these things happen. Moving foward, if there is a second date, then being firm about which motel they prefer is a must. We try to be respectful and at times we are rewarded & the majority of the time, we are taken advantage of. She is young but not dumb, as she wore the look on her face that said " I got away easy without spreading. I spread some butter on my waffels but not my legs."

It's highly unlikey that she will initiate another text but I will be ready for my retest. I appreciate the feedback.