"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**BigTigger** · 09-02-13 11:53

I wish you the best with your new decision. Your input has been invaluable and I've always appreciated your wisdom and candor.

BT.

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

Thanks guys for your kind words. I'll be reading your stories with eager anticipation. The answer to your quick question Revvo is anything but quick. LOL.

The" formula " for each one of us depends on our age, looks, charm, and sugar offer. Some of you come in with impossibly cheap (or free) babies and others spend a fortune. I am in the middle. I am lucky to have everything in the plus column except age, so I feel that I need to pay a little more to compete in the market I like, The 20s. I am 60ish, look 48 to 52 but still waaay too old for a 22 yr old to feel like I could possibly be an IRL candidate. Some of you are 30 to 40 and 20 somethings can see you as a potential lover rather than a daddy. Therefore they might be willing to date you for gas money or a nice meal. I'm a sugar grand daddy (SGD).

Ratings : (only make offers to the best)

Are totally personal, so my 10 might be your 8. But I do set pretty high standards. I only contact girls who are 8+ in the looks dept to begin with. I require a firm toned body and a pretty face, so right off the bat I have an 8to10/8to10/? . Occasionally the pics might be 5 yrs old and 20 Lbs lighter and if I am in a dry spell I will try them out, but will not keep them in the rotation. Attitude counts for a huge amount and can skew your impression of looks by virtue of her presentation. Finally, skills do not matter to me if looks and attitude are right. Plain vanilla fucking is still a hell of a lot of fun with an inexperienced girl who is eager and enthusiastic.

Location is key:

I believe you need to be in or near a large metro area with multiple colleges nearby. Central Va is ideal because Richmond is only 60 to 90 minutes away from DC, NOVA, and Tidewater. There is a huge military presence in Tidewater and my last 2 SBs were both military. Without counting there are over 10 colleges within 90 miles of Richmond. That represents a lot of HCBs who are broke and know about the Sugar world. You must stay at least 60 miles away from your home base if you have a SO. This allows you to date in the open more easily and hopefully not get spotted.

Sugar :

Last but not least. I pay $$.5 sometimes including Notel. If I pay for a Notel I add another $50. The total damage is $$$ plus entertainment. I usually take my baby out to dinner for an extra $ 50 to 75. The last Baby to scam me took $$.5 that I prepaid after seeing her for 5 or 6 times before that, but she didn't require food since she ate earlier with her kid, so in the end I saved a lot.

Perhaps I don't bargain hard enough but I feel that the price is fair if service is great.

Bottom line, if you are having a hard time attracting quality Babies 1) expand your search area to include a market I described above. 2) Polish your game by studying the "book" we all wrote. 3) set your standards higher, and 3) up your Sugar amount. You might not be as cute as Big Tigg or have game like F Scott and Hollywood. (Many of you are superstars, I don't mean to leave anyone out)

**BigTigger** · 09-02-13 11:29

MW welcome brother, it's good to see you her on this board. This board is a lot less drama than the other board we are on together. Enjoy the ride and keep reporting!

Rob, thanks for the info, I see now that I want not parts of SBs in Chicago, lol.

Looks like my AF time is getting ready to pay off. I have a few lined up for M&Gs soon. I'll keep you updated. One very nice feature is their Q&A section. I just started reading the Q&A from the POTs. One of the questions is "Would you have sex on the first date?". For those of us who are not quite as smooth to ensure first date success, this is a great help. Although I've had lots of success, my first date Tiggabounce rate pales in comparison to my second date success. So now it's the first answer I look for, hoping they answered it.

BigTigg

**Rob Taylor** · 09-01-13 21:14

Back in the game, I finally got back in the game in a huge way. As you know the Chicago market is not as good as other metro areas, but I think I'm getting the hang of it. First day back on SA and a Black BBW as for 500 per meetand then a white smaller BBW ask for 300 per meet. I was ready up to give just to go back to POF, but I struggled and long be hold TuesdayI starting talking to a girl and just five minutes ago a 34 yr old former blonde Maxim model and contestant on the bachelor just left my apartment, after being railed on my couch doggy style for about 3 hrs. Sex was average, but her hotness made up for it. If you include her dinners and drinks.

The damage was about $$$$ plus 50 mind you this in Chicago where average to below average white chick can get 300 per meet easy. So I really hit the jackpot here. She wasnt too happy about the price, but I caught her in a jam she has to pay her Benz car note, but has trip planned to Vegas next weekend. I am fairly certain this is her first online encounter due to the nervousness over the phone and text though she has had mostly rich boyfriends and a fling with Steve Kerr.

And I broke one of my rules. I never message girls asking for 3-5k, but I did this time and used the art of negotiation, and bam hit a grand slam. I'm still in awe I barely can type. I'm still going try that WYP site though I'm afraid that site might attract more pro's. I need to find some budget babies in case this one starts flaking once she gets back from Vegas or wants more money. This was my first experience with an super hot older woman.

**Revvo** · 09-01-13 09:12

Originally Posted by BuckHead44 [View Original Post]

Looking for a SB for some fun. Kind of a spinner type! Anyone got some suggestions? Thanks

Read the entire thread. And go get one.

**BikeRider** · 08-31-13 23:00

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

Not my usual M. O. There are exceptions to every rule. And she is one of them. 25 year old. 7/9/9/8.

Rules are made to be broken!

**BuckHead44** · 08-31-13 22:25

Looking for a SB for some fun. Kind of a spinner type! Anyone got some suggestions? Thanks

**HollywoodGuy** · 08-31-13 18:56

This is a girl I met a year ago at a party. She let me know that there might be some opportunity to sugar it up. After a year, we still have only what I refer to as outercourse. I know for a fact she lives with her boyfriend and has not been with any other guys. I like her so I don't mind investing $ a month (one visit a month) to keep pursuing her.

Not my usual M. O. There are exceptions to every rule. And she is one of them. 25 year old. 7/9/9/8.

Today she admitted to not doing the best job. I told her not to worry, I'll teach her how to do it the way I like.

**GeorgeRichmond** · 08-31-13 16:49

Originally Posted by KingGreg [View Original Post]

I observed that many of my post get displayed after 4-5 hours or later. How does it work? For example if I post it at 1 PM, I have seen it getting posted at 6-7PM or later. Plus it doesn't popup infront of the queue, it goes to 1 PM post time. So. My post is behind others.

I don't mind posting it. But it is disappointing. Yesterday I posted 2 items and don't think any of you even noticed it.

New members are on moderation until they have 6 months and 25 posts without an infraction. None of their posts go live until I clear them. The reason for this should be obvious.

I generally moderate the forum at around noon and midnight Buenos Aires time. Once you are a Senior your posts go live pretty much immediately.

A2

Thanks for the clarification. I appreciate the hardwork and dedication. Keep up the goodwork.

**GeorgeRichmond** · 08-31-13 15:22

I observed that many of my post get displayed after 4-5 hours or later. How does it work? For example if I post it at 1 PM, I have seen it getting posted at 6-7PM or later. Plus it doesn't popup infront of the queue, it goes to 1 PM post time. So. My post is behind others.

I don't mind posting it. But it is disappointing. Yesterday I posted 2 items and don't think any of you even noticed it.

New members are on moderation until they have 6 months and 25 posts without an infraction. None of their posts go live until I clear them. The reason for this should be obvious.

I generally moderate the forum at around noon and midnight Buenos Aires time. Once you are a Senior your posts go live pretty much immediately.

A2

**HollywoodGuy** · 08-31-13 14:17

Originally Posted by LoriTruck [View Original Post]

but I will be ready for my retest. I appreciate the feedback.

You are done with this one. Fuck the $50. What about the 4 hours of your time? And for what? To get flaked on. This is worse than flaking.

**Revvo** · 08-31-13 10:50

Originally Posted by BikeRider [View Original Post]

LT. I would pass on the re-test. She knows she has the upper-hand now, and getting her to the room may cause exactly the same problems you wanted to avoid. Even if you get her to agree before hand to go to a room, she's likely to manipulate things so she never gets there.

Find another candidate, and mark this one up as a learning experience. There are plenty of women in the bowl.

Note. This is why I've decided to generally avoid the teens unless the chat / txts / emails show some maturity.

I really like what BikeRider has to say here. When you are in a scarcity mentality you have a tendency to keep trying for something that is already lost. Move on and find another one.

She seems a little on the NANO1 side anyway. Even if you did get her it will probably be trouble down the road.

Revvo

**BikeRider** · 08-31-13 10:46

Originally Posted by LoriTruck [View Original Post]

It's highly unlikey that she will initiate another text but I will be ready for my retest. I appreciate the feedback.

LT. I would pass on the re-test. She knows she has the upper-hand now, and getting her to the room may cause exactly the same problems you wanted to avoid. Even if you get her to agree before hand to go to a room, she's likely to manipulate things so she never gets there.

Find another candidate, and mark this one up as a learning experience. There are plenty of women in the bowl.

Note. This is why I've decided to generally avoid the teens unless the chat / txts / emails show some maturity.

**LoriTruck** · 08-31-13 08:29

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

" We get in the car & I wait for her to suggest a place or even ask for her $ but she doesn't so we make our way to her place" Lori Truck.

I'm confused LT. The 1st thing out of your mouth in the post waffle experience should be "Do you prefer Motel 6 or 8?" When she says "I don't sleep with guys on the first date " you then say," Thanks for the interesting conversation, perhaps we can see each other again." She then asks "how about my sugar?" And you say " no sweets then no sugar " You get my drift? She played you nicely. You need to be direct and firm in your resolution to leave no motel unoccupied when you have a Baby in your car and money in your pocket. She wanted that money so you probably could have gotten her to give it up.

BTW, teeny boppers are fun to fuck but they are so skitzy. Be careful with them.

It's one of those situations were her reaction is unpredictable. She would probably refuse to get out of my car unless I paid her for her time. I didn't want to stir anything up. No telling, all it takes is a quick phone call to her roomies & my tires are slashed, or worse. I didn't want to leave anything to chance. Let's say she refuses to leave my car, & I refuse to compensate her, and I decide to pull off with her still in my car, then kidnapping & crazy things like such come into play, simply over $50. Watch the news, these things happen. Moving foward, if there is a second date, then being firm about which motel they prefer is a must. We try to be respectful and at times we are rewarded & the majority of the time, we are taken advantage of. She is young but not dumb, as she wore the look on her face that said " I got away easy without spreading. I spread some butter on my waffels but not my legs."

It's highly unlikey that she will initiate another text but I will be ready for my retest. I appreciate the feedback.

**HollywoodGuy** · 08-30-13 22:34

You will get a smaller response if you heavily pre qualify. And even half the ones that say yes will flake prior to a meet. I always tell them very clearly that I don't pay to just hang out. And that to get the $ my dick has to be in play. I always say a HJ is cool knowing that 50% of the time or more, it will be more. And even if it is only a HJ, some making out, and a chance for me to feel the goods, its still a good way for me to introduce myself and see if there is any chemistry. Once a girl has seen you naked (or partially naked) she knows if she is going to want to have a second date (have sex with you) or not.

I don't really care for dinner dates as a first date, because until you actually are touching you don't know if there is any real chemistry or not. Kissing for me is an absolute (except with my roommate). I always tell them we are going to practice our kissing skills on the first date. Ask them if they are good kissers, and whats the oldest guy they have dated. Hopefully they tell me something under 30. If so I know they have an older guy fantasy. And I love to be the first guy to fulfill that.

**Marcus Weiner** · 08-30-13 21:50

The late 30's blonde, I've been seeing for about 6 months. She's always full of surprises. Lately she likes to come up late night / early morning and climb into bed with me. Last time she was here I fucked her in the shower. First standing up then she bent over as I fucked her from behind. I'll usually get a text from her asking me to leave the back door open, so she doesn't wake me up until she has her lips wrapped around my cock. The other 3 I just started seeing, however it did take 6 months worth of text messages and e-mails to meet the tall Latina stripper. She has a funny personality, very nerdy and dorkish, but we really connect and end up in the strangest discussions. She has probably the best body out of them all. Flat stomach, double-D's, pretty face, lots of tattoo's and she's 5'10 with very long toned legs. She's very sexual and has a Hitachi vibrator, that's her best friend when I'm not there. She loves porn and masturbates at least 3 times a-day, oh and she's a squirter. Truly amazing.

The married Brazilian I've been seeing for about a month, and she comes over to see me once a-week in the morning, after she gets the kids off to school and before work. She's the most passionate woman I've ever fucked and almost blow a load just from our make-out sessions. The girl is incredible and knows what she's doing when she fucks me. I only bring this up because I've been with some women that I don't have a connection with and therefore have a hard time cumming. I bust a nut very easily every time we fuck without much work.

The last one, mixed Chinese and Russian is very sexy. A true spinner with B / C cups. She doesn't like to kiss and this is becoming a problem, but she is very tight and I always cum when I fuck her. I can't post pics, since I've had this shit come back to haunt me before on the Baltimore Non-Pro thread. You'll have to take my word that they're all very hot looking, I've had my share of canine babies contact me. Oh and to answer your question WYP stands for whatsyourprice dot com.

MW

Originally Posted by Revvo [View Original Post]

Welcome brother. But I must say if you have that many nice babies in a rotation. Then maybe you should teach us a thing or two. Tell us some stores. How did you get the ones you got.

How are they long term? Any gotchas or pitfalls. We like to hear it all. Hell just look at some of mine. Right now you are looking like a real stud.

I personally never shell out money for M&G and if they are asking for that they may not be an amature. By the way what is CYP?

Revvo