"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**HollywoodGuy** · 08-30-13 22:34

You will get a smaller response if you heavily pre qualify. And even half the ones that say yes will flake prior to a meet. I always tell them very clearly that I don't pay to just hang out. And that to get the $ my dick has to be in play. I always say a HJ is cool knowing that 50% of the time or more, it will be more. And even if it is only a HJ, some making out, and a chance for me to feel the goods, its still a good way for me to introduce myself and see if there is any chemistry. Once a girl has seen you naked (or partially naked) she knows if she is going to want to have a second date (have sex with you) or not.

I don't really care for dinner dates as a first date, because until you actually are touching you don't know if there is any real chemistry or not. Kissing for me is an absolute (except with my roommate). I always tell them we are going to practice our kissing skills on the first date. Ask them if they are good kissers, and whats the oldest guy they have dated. Hopefully they tell me something under 30. If so I know they have an older guy fantasy. And I love to be the first guy to fulfill that.

**Marcus Weiner** · 08-30-13 21:50

The late 30's blonde, I've been seeing for about 6 months. She's always full of surprises. Lately she likes to come up late night / early morning and climb into bed with me. Last time she was here I fucked her in the shower. First standing up then she bent over as I fucked her from behind. I'll usually get a text from her asking me to leave the back door open, so she doesn't wake me up until she has her lips wrapped around my cock. The other 3 I just started seeing, however it did take 6 months worth of text messages and e-mails to meet the tall Latina stripper. She has a funny personality, very nerdy and dorkish, but we really connect and end up in the strangest discussions. She has probably the best body out of them all. Flat stomach, double-D's, pretty face, lots of tattoo's and she's 5'10 with very long toned legs. She's very sexual and has a Hitachi vibrator, that's her best friend when I'm not there. She loves porn and masturbates at least 3 times a-day, oh and she's a squirter. Truly amazing.

The married Brazilian I've been seeing for about a month, and she comes over to see me once a-week in the morning, after she gets the kids off to school and before work. She's the most passionate woman I've ever fucked and almost blow a load just from our make-out sessions. The girl is incredible and knows what she's doing when she fucks me. I only bring this up because I've been with some women that I don't have a connection with and therefore have a hard time cumming. I bust a nut very easily every time we fuck without much work.

The last one, mixed Chinese and Russian is very sexy. A true spinner with B / C cups. She doesn't like to kiss and this is becoming a problem, but she is very tight and I always cum when I fuck her. I can't post pics, since I've had this shit come back to haunt me before on the Baltimore Non-Pro thread. You'll have to take my word that they're all very hot looking, I've had my share of canine babies contact me. Oh and to answer your question WYP stands for whatsyourprice dot com.

MW

Originally Posted by Revvo [View Original Post]

Welcome brother. But I must say if you have that many nice babies in a rotation. Then maybe you should teach us a thing or two. Tell us some stores. How did you get the ones you got.

How are they long term? Any gotchas or pitfalls. We like to hear it all. Hell just look at some of mine. Right now you are looking like a real stud.

I personally never shell out money for M&G and if they are asking for that they may not be an amature. By the way what is CYP?

Revvo

**F Scott** · 08-30-13 19:25

Originally Posted by LoriTruck [View Original Post]

I think, then I think some more, then thought about it once again. I gave in & gave her 2 crisp ATM 20's & two 5's.

Here was the Bailing Point.

Just sayin'

Scott

**F Scott** · 08-30-13 19:08

Lori,

You just had your first class in Sugar School, my friend. We all have taken Sugar 101, trust me, and some of us have paid far more than $60 for the privilege. Chalk it up to a lesson learned and move on, but don't let yourself get duped again. As I read the narrative, you had several opportunities to bail, but you went against your gut and proceeded anyway, hoping for a positive outcome. That rarely works, at least in my experience. Brother Fred offers good advice below as well, and really it seems like you just need to get some more field experience to polish your game. Remember, if the girl is a scammer and you are a newbie, she is already way more experienced than you are. You are a fish in a barrel, which is not a good thing.

Not to seem harsh, but it's best to put it behind you, learn what you can from it, and fix your gaze on the horizon. As has been said a million times, there are more babies being born every day.

Onward,

Scott

**FredMoore** · 08-30-13 18:51

" We get in the car & I wait for her to suggest a place or even ask for her $ but she doesn't so we make our way to her place" Lori Truck.

I'm confused LT. The 1st thing out of your mouth in the post waffle experience should be "Do you prefer Motel 6 or 8?" When she says "I don't sleep with guys on the first date " you then say," Thanks for the interesting conversation, perhaps we can see each other again." She then asks "how about my sugar?" And you say " no sweets then no sugar " You get my drift? She played you nicely. You need to be direct and firm in your resolution to leave no motel unoccupied when you have a Baby in your car and money in your pocket. She wanted that money so you probably could have gotten her to give it up.

BTW, teeny boppers are fun to fuck but they are so skitzy. Be careful with them.

**LoriTruck** · 08-30-13 18:30

So I pay my dues on SA & jump on this one with profile # 1707726. I will dub her GED. 8/9/6. We message a few times back & forth and she says "I want a sd that's smart and funny and a gentleman, who loves to have fun especially with me. 3k to 4k a month." I talk her into a per meeting instead of an allowance and she says $$ per meet. I told her I was decent looking and can only do $ per meet and she agrees. I don't hear from her for a few days and out of nowhere I get a text asking if I have some green. Really?

We start chatting and agree to M&G but with college football kicking things off, I told her we will meet when the game is over. She is 18, no car, lives with 2 roomates and stays a shade over an hour away. The game ends late, I tell her I am on the way & she wants to know if I am bringing the $ for "our meeting." Junior convinces me that all the nice restaurants will be closed & that we could maybe crash at her place and relax. I get to the general area and stop to get supplies for our meeting, I plug in her address in my phone to minimize data usage, then I get a call from her wondering where I was at. The call knocked my Gps off & threw me off my route. I was already running late since the route to her city was surrounded by trees trees and more trees & I didn't want Bambi jumping out in front of my car & ruining a good meeting so I took my time getting there.

I get to her place, she's outside on her phone so I don't miss her place and off we went looking for a place to eat. It's 1am so we pull in at the Waffel house. We chat, come to find out she didn't finish highschool but hopes to finish up soon. I asked how she found out about the site & she said she saw an ad online & a recommendation from Dr. Phil, so she was sold since she liked his show. She kept glancing at her phone & I could sense that she was giving her roomates a play by play analyis of how the date was going. Long story short, our meal doesn't take long, I glance around and I didn't need binoculars to see the number of motels that surrounded us. We get in the car & I wait for her to suggest a place or even ask for her $ but she doesn't so we make our way to her place, which was only 2 minutes from the house of waffels. She says we should meet again, we are in her driveway then asks if I am going to pay her. I inquire the amount & she say "oh, just $50." She is 18 so you can imagine the conversation we were having. Definitely not worth 50 beans.

I think, then I think some more, then thought about it once again. I gave in & gave her 2 crisp ATM 20's & two 5's. I was frozen in time as she grabbed the money, told me she feels a connection, and walked away towards her place. I am in my car still trying to piece together all the events from the time I left my house to the time I dropped her off, and at what point could I have saved myself the trouble. Maybe because it was late, and it was my way of saying thank you to her for waiting this late for a M&G but in the back of her mind, she is thinking "that was way too easy, I can make a living off of this." I pull up at a service station to browse some ads so I could justify the trip and guess who walked to the store to get 2 red bulls? The gentleman in me was nice enough to give her a ride back to her place but $10 for some waffels $50 for her presence. I was better off at home eating some left overs. The amount may not seem much, but the feeling you get afterwards. Is never a good feeling.

**FredMoore** · 08-30-13 18:14

Originally Posted by Revvo [View Original Post]

And good luck. But one quick question.

You seem to have a large number of 10's in your harem. I was wondering if you could share with the brotherhood how you did it.

I have been blessed with quite a few babies and most are quite attractive. Through a lot of hard work and not a little expense. But rarely a 10.

What's your secret? How much were you spending? Is it the location? You got some tips for us?

Thanks and good luck.

Revvo.

Thanks guys for your kind words. I'll be reading your stories with eager anticipation. The answer to your quick question Revvo is anything but quick . LOL

The" formula " for each one of us depends on our age, looks, charm, and sugar offer. Some of you come in with impossibly cheap (or free) babies and others spend a fortune. I am in the middle. I am lucky to have everything in the plus column except age, so I feel that I need to pay a little more to compete in the market I like, The 20s. I am 60ish, look 48 to 52 but still waaay too old for a 22 yr old to feel like I could possibly be an IRL candidate. Some of you are 30 to 40 and 20 somethings can see you as a potential lover rather than a daddy. Therefore they might be willing to date you for gas money or a nice meal. I'm a sugar grand daddy (SGD).

Ratings : (only make offers to the best)

Are totally personal, so my 10 might be your 8. But I do set pretty high standards. I only contact girls who are 8+ in the looks dept to begin with. I require a firm toned body and a pretty face, so right off the bat I have an 8to10/8to10/ ?/? . Occasionally the pics might be 5 yrs old and 20 Lbs lighter and if I am in a dry spell I will try them out, but will not keep them in the rotation. Attitude counts for a huge amount and can skew your impression of looks by virtue of her presentation. Finally, skills do not matter to me if looks and attitude are right. Plain vanilla fucking is still a hell of a lot of fun with an inexperienced girl who is eager and enthusiastic.

Location is key:

I believe you need to be in or near a large metro area with multiple colleges nearby. Central Va is ideal because Richmond is only 60 to 90 minutes away from DC, NOVA, and Tidewater. There is a huge military presence in Tidewater and my last 2 SBs were both military. Without counting there are over 10 colleges within 90 miles of Richmond. That represents a lot of HCBs who are broke and know about the Sugar world. You must stay at least 60 miles away from your home base if you have a SO. This allows you to date in the open more easily and hopefully not get spotted.

Sugar :

Last but not least. I pay $$.5 sometimes including Notel. If I pay for a Notel I add another $50. The total damage is $$$ plus entertainment. I usually take my baby out to dinner for an extra $ 50 to 75. The last Baby to scam me took $$.5 that I prepaid after seeing her for 5 or 6 times before that, but she didn't require food since she ate earlier with her kid, so in the end I saved a lot.

Perhaps I don't bargain hard enough but I feel that the price is fair if service is great.

Bottom line, if you are having a hard time attracting quality Babies 1) expand your search area to include a market I described above. 2) Polish your game by studying the "book" we all wrote. 3) set your standards higher, and 3) up your Sugar amount. You might not be as cute as Big Tigg or have game like F Scott and Hollywood.(Many of you are superstars, I don't mean to leave anyone out )

**Revvo** · 08-30-13 17:27

Originally Posted by Marcus Weiner [View Original Post]

Greetings all. I have read this thread occasionally since I'm not all that far from Richmond (Baltimore) , but I've noticed that the contributions made are from all over. I'm proud to say that I now have a regular rotation of about 4 or 5 SB's that I see a few times a-month. One is in her late 30's, blonde, long legs and lots of fun. The next is mixed Chinese and Russian, short but with nice breasts and a banging body. The next one is married, late 20's from South America, super-hot and always horny. The last one is an exotic dancer (stripper) , Latina, almost 6', former model and just so much fun! I started this with the Non-Pro scene a few years-ago on CL and BP. I met several young ladies looking for a fast financial fix, and more regular and long term. Most said that they needed help with a phone bill, car payment, etc. But some were more direct asking for a monthly allowance. I'm really curious to know how many of you guys are willing to pay up front, since I've been asked, but it's something I've promised myself I'd never do. I haven't posted on CL in a while, but have had an ad on BP running for some time and it keeps getting responses. Mostly from women that I'm not attracted to, until the other night. A very sexy 20 something, single mom. Mostly, I have been using WYP and have been fairly successful with that site. Most of the women on there are very attractive, but while most are looking for that "arrangement" they also expect you to pay them for a date without any dessert. I'm sorry again guys, but I'm curious to find out how many of you are willing to shell out $$ or $$$ for just dinner and drinks. My fear is that they want the cash, have dinner with you, then say good bye, sorry, no chemistry. If you guys have the cash to throw around to pay for a date without extra's, then god bless you, unfortunately if the babies want my money they have to do something more than look pretty, talk, eat dinner and have drinks with me. I know what they say about chemistry and such, but if I'm not getting dessert after dinner, why do I still have to pay? I really believe these girls are hustlers and I've got my regular rotation that I didn't have to spend a dime on for dinner and drinks without dessert. They all knew what it was for. Since I'm sort of new to this SB / SD scene is, I'd love to know your thoughts.

MW

Welcome brother. But I must say if you have that many nice babies in a rotation. Then maybe you should teach us a thing or two. Tell us some stores. How did you get the ones you got.

How are they long term? Any gotchas or pitfalls. We like to hear it all. Hell just look at some of mine. Right now you are looking like a real stud.

I personally never shell out money for M&G and if they are asking for that they may not be an amature. By the way what is CYP?

Revvo

**Revvo** · 08-30-13 17:20

It never ceases to amaze or mystify me what these babies will do. I commented recently about normal babies. And I do indeed think the ones I mentioned are very much on the normal / sane side. I must qualify as sane as any woman can be. LOL. But I am still amazed and dazed and confused. I am always learning. I Consider myself to have some pretty good experience. But still I am baffled.

REVVO_ATF: I am thinking this one is may be on her way out. Still just as beautiful. And still very sexy. But just not available. Did her on Monday and had a good time but it wasn't great. Makes me think there may be something up. I have many options and do not believe she still qualifies for ATF status. She still is a 9/8/8/10 but. Since there can be only one ATF I may be replacing her soon. We shall see.

REVVO_POT1: So a mystery. Damn this one was good looking too. 37 YO blond, nice body, short about 5'2' gorgeous. I give her a 8/9/8. Very intelligent educated stable, normal MILF. This was totally outside of her comfort zone and I think that is what did the whole thing in. We were really into each other. Great communications, very very into the date and wanting more. Sending me pics and little hellos unsolicited. All the right signals. I can't for the life of me understand what happened. The day of our second date and impending trip to the FC. (she hasn't been fucked in over a year). She goes dark. Nothing nada. I just tell her to call when she gets a chance and we will reschedule. But no go. I have my theories on this. I think that sometimes they can be too normal and not adventurous enough and they cannot bring themselves to do it. Especially if they like you. And I am going out on a limb here I do believe she liked me, she said so many times. Fucking frustrating. But oh well. I can't have them all anyway.

REVVO_POT3: So another mystery. Of all the POTs I had this one I really expected to come through. I can't tell you how into me how quickly she was. This was going great. I mean all of the signs are there. Like a real very expressive intelligent good looking woman. Ready to know me and fuck me. Our conversations were great. Awesome communicator. We did our meet and greet and it went great again. She is 5'7' 27 YO blond blue eyed MILF with a toned and gorgeous body. She came with tights and the sexiest pair of 5' heels. We had a great lunch. And walked her to her car. We made out and I have to tell you she was one of the best kissers of any SB or baby I have had. It was so sensuous and sexy. And she was moaning and breathing heavy. And she was visibly moved. So was I. I really thought I had this in the bag. We texted a little later and both commented on how awesome this kiss was, and we had scheduled a meeting for two days later. After those last texts she went dark. WHAT THE FUCK! I can't believe this. I have to tell you in all of my dating life I have rarely ever had an interaction with a woman go this well. And she vanishes. I will still try to get her back but I think she is gone. Who knows. Too normal for this? I don't know. But once again I can't have them all. She was very prime for being ATF.

REVVO_POT4: Well this one is such a pleasant surprise. She is now REVVO_SB6.

REVVO_POT5: This is a new one from today. Like I said I let my membership expire and have been slowing my roll. But I aint crazy. When a hot SB contacts me with a gold membership and she is new and close by. I am going to contact her. So I did. She is 26 YO mixed, black / white / venezualan with a spinner body to die for. Her head is cute but not gorgeous. But the rest is perfect. I give her a 7/9. 5/9. So far. Tight and right. Beautiful bronze skin, slender hard body, she works out every day, an ass you could serve a beer on. Weighs 110 lbs and is 5'3' does that qualify for spinner material Hollywood? I think so. Educated has a bachelors degree and is a former high school and college cheerleader and used to coach high school cheerleading. Very normal and down to earth. She likes me already; uh oh watch out. LOL We have texted and talked and we are definitely on the same page. She is a good communicator and is a pleaser. She cannot find a job in her field. So she is a cook at Chilies for now. And looking for a little help. Not someone to support her. She is excited to see me but it may be a while since we both have busy schedules. Not holding my breath but she is looking real good right now.

REVVO_SB1: Tried to schedule her in but cannot. I put her off and she is cool with it. So cool and sweet little blond from Boston. Good booty call baby for now. I am going to eventually have to fuck her just to keep the contact.

REVVO_SB2: So I fucked my little Brazillian princess last Friday and it was great. She blew me and swallowed like a champion. And she would fuck bareback if I let her. She comes ever so easily and just shakes like she has parkinsons afterwards. What a beautiful site. At this point she is definitely the best fuck of the bunch. She is just so sexually expressive. What a delight. She went away this week to visit a friend out of town. Maybe able to see her next week. I will keep her at 7/8/9/10 for now. Body may deserve a 9 also. She liked my present but did not go crazy for it. Not sure If she is expecting payment. Maybe so. We shall see.

REVVO_SB3: Like I said before I really do not have the time or the energy to do everything in the relationship. She is cute but at the bottom of the list for now. Cute Morrocan but that is about it.

REVVO_SB4: So my little Colombian coconut popped back up and is ready to fuck. Good for her and me. Says she misses me and wants me to get all over her. Another normal woman by the way. But she is very ok with just being fuck buddies. We are scheduled for an afternoon of fun on Tuesday. I can't wait to get ahold of those beautiful big Columbian titties. Still at a 7/8/8/9. Very sensuous and probably the 2nd best fuck of the group.

REVVO_SB5: No activity her. My little European baby is still working at her modeling stuff and is starting to go from free to getting expenses paid to actually getting paid. Will talk to her next week and see how things are going. But as a rule I try to only fuck two a week.

REVVO_SB6: So this one was REVVO_POT4 and is now a new baby. She is my cute little girl next door. Hard working hard playing. Two jobs and love outdoor sports and working out. Very very busy. We had a hell of a time getting together and my patience and her good communicating finally made it happen. She is a little dream. Cute head, HYB 23 YO dark eyes brunette, spinner body 5'1', tight and right small breasts and sweet ass. I give her a 8/9/8/7 so far. She is a good kisser. And she hosts. Reasonable and willing and appreciative and wanting to be with me. It was our first session and was a little rushed but it went well. She has a really nice phat pussy and very responsive. I think she may be ATF material. The CPO is so low. I can fuck her two times a week and it is about as much as fucking the other ones once a week. And if I put her on an allowance and make her my main ATF. I figure around 800 per month for 6 or more visits per month. She could single handledly drop my expenditures in half. And I need that. She has a boyfriend but he is long distance and does not look like he is doing the job. As with most young babies she needs some training and warming up. But the potential is immense. She is ready to see me next Wednesday and so am I. I will wait for a couple of more sessions then we can talk allowance. I am thinking 800 per month for 6 visits per month.

There it is. A lot of stuff. But still cutting down. I believe the normal babies are as skittish as the hot young ones. Just seems like it is after the first date they bolt. It is strange that here I am knee deep in pussy and all I can think about is the ones that got away. Another subject for my therapist. LOL.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

**F Scott** · 08-30-13 16:25

You will be missed, my friend! We have all learned so much from your experiences, insights and contributions. If you were only known for the "Nando Scale", your legacy would be assured!

Take care, rebuild your bridges, and do no harm. We are all, myself included, just a PM away.

Peace,

Scott

**F Scott** · 08-30-13 16:15

Originally Posted by Marcus Weiner [View Original Post]

I'm really curious to know how many of you guys are willing to pay up front, since I've been asked, but it's something I've promised myself I'd never do. I'm curious to find out how many of you are willing to shell out $$ or $$$ for just dinner and drinks. My fear is that they want the cash, have dinner with you, then say good bye, sorry, no chemistry. If you guys have the cash to throw around to pay for a date without extra's, then god bless you, unfortunately if the babies want my money they have to do something more than look pretty, talk, eat dinner and have drinks with me. I know what they say about chemistry and such, but if I'm not getting dessert after dinner, why do I still have to pay? I really believe these girls are hustlers and I've got my regular rotation that I didn't have to spend a dime on for dinner and drinks without dessert. They all knew what it was for. Since I'm sort of new to this SB / SD scene is, I'd love to know your thoughts.

MW

Congratulations on joining the most interesting, challenging, frustrating and rewarding Club in the country. We are, indeed, from all over these 50 states, but use this journal to share experiences, insights, successes and failures alike. All sincere posters are welcome, and you will find us all willing to help a brother in need.

That said, I would recommend you go back to the very beginning of the Baby Book, and read forward. There is a treasure trove of information here, all gained form personal experiences in the field, and all your questions will be answered. I feel safe in saying that none of us would shell out significant sugar upfront for just a dinner and drinks. Some, myself included, have from time to time given a baby an "advance". Some have lost the bet, but most of us have had it come back to us in multiples. What you are describing, though, sounds like these women want you to pay them for the privilege of buying them dinner with no promise or even intention of taking their clothes off later, and that sounds to me like lunacy.

Good luck in your hunt. Take advantage of the holiday weekend and do your homework. Not only is there great wisdom, it is the most literate and entertaining thread on the site, and you will enjoy yourself, I guarantee it.

Don't forget to write,

Scott

**Member #5570** · 08-30-13 13:56

Originally Posted by Revvo [View Original Post]

And good luck. But one quick question.

You seem to have a large number of 10's in your harem. I was wondering if you could share with the brotherhood how you did it.

I have been blessed with quite a few babies and most are quite attractive. Through a lot of hard work and not a little expense. But rarely a 10.

What's your secret? How much were you spending? Is it the location? You got some tips for us?

Thanks and good luck.

Revvo.

Same here, if you don't mind sharing your secret sauce with the brothers.

**Marcus Weiner** · 08-30-13 13:43

Greetings all. I have read this thread occasionally since I'm not all that far from Richmond (Baltimore), but I've noticed that the contributions made are from all over. I'm proud to say that I now have a regular rotation of about 4 or 5 SB's that I see a few times a-month. One is in her late 30's, blonde, long legs and lots of fun. The next is mixed Chinese and Russian, short but with nice breasts and a banging body. The next one is married, late 20's from South America, super-hot and always horny. The last one is an exotic dancer (stripper) , Latina, almost 6', former model and just so much fun! I started this with the Non-Pro scene a few years-ago on CL and BP. I met several young ladies looking for a fast financial fix, and more regular and long term. Most said that they needed help with a phone bill, car payment, etc. But some were more direct asking for a monthly allowance. I'm really curious to know how many of you guys are willing to pay up front, since I've been asked, but it's something I've promised myself I'd never do. I haven't posted on CL in a while, but have had an ad on BP running for some time and it keeps getting responses. Mostly from women that I'm not attracted to, until the other night. A very sexy 20 something, single mom. Mostly, I have been using WYP and have been fairly successful with that site. Most of the women on there are very attractive, but while most are looking for that "arrangement" they also expect you to pay them for a date without any dessert. I'm sorry again guys, but I'm curious to find out how many of you are willing to shell out $$ or $$$ for just dinner and drinks. My fear is that they want the cash, have dinner with you, then say good bye, sorry, no chemistry. If you guys have the cash to throw around to pay for a date without extra's, then god bless you, unfortunately if the babies want my money they have to do something more than look pretty, talk, eat dinner and have drinks with me. I know what they say about chemistry and such, but if I'm not getting dessert after dinner, why do I still have to pay? I really believe these girls are hustlers and I've got my regular rotation that I didn't have to spend a dime on for dinner and drinks without dessert. They all knew what it was for. Since I'm sort of new to this SB / SD scene is, I'd love to know your thoughts.

MW

**Revvo** · 08-30-13 13:08

And good luck. But one quick question.

You seem to have a large number of 10's in your harem. I was wondering if you could share with the brotherhood how you did it.

I have been blessed with quite a few babies and most are quite attractive. Through a lot of hard work and not a little expense. But rarely a 10.

What's your secret? How much were you spending? Is it the location? You got some tips for us?

Thanks and good luck.

Revvo.

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

"Good night, good night! Parting is such sweet sorrow, that I shall say good night til it be morrow " Ah Shakespeare said it so well did he not?

Well gents, the time has come that I turn off the burner phone, close my SA / SDFM account, put my travel bag away, and ride into the sunset. It is not bittersweet, but only bitter that I give up the lifestyle that I have enjoyed for oh so many years. The reasons are several, but I realize for sure that this lifestyle is not compatible with a healthy relationship with a SO (or any for that matter) , in fact, it is damaging and unfair to her. Some of us get away with the sham for awhile and fool ourselves into thinking that we can play both ends against the middle, but it eventually comes back to bite you in the ass if you are in it long enough. I do value my SO and am going to make the effort to give her the attention that she deserves. There are of course, children, friends, family, finances involved. I am honored to have been in the company of so many cocks-men of note, and would like to think that I and my friend Nando have contributed substantive data to the group. I have been the recipient of multi hundreds of sweet babies' attentions, and spent tens of thousands of hard earned dollars chasing the holy grail, trying to (and succeeding) crawl into HYB's vaginas, hearts, and souls. I think I made a difference to their lives, and certainly to their bank accounts.

I leave with ATF #4 and SB #1 available whenever I would like, and it will be hard to resist occasionally dipping into that pool. I will no longer have the freedom of movement I had before, so any SB meet will be fraught with extreme hazard. I do seem to have a "get home free card ", but only one. Any more indiscretions will unleash the tiger within and life as I once knew it would be over. My ATF #3 last night was Amaaaazing as a parting gift from her, and she did not disappoint. We left on a lovely note.

I will probably lurk around and even contribute words of wisdom and experiences from the past from time to time. I will live vicariously through the brotherhood. You all prosper often and keep me entertained. Perhaps I will write a book, it's been a fascinating journey and I'm sure would be a good read. If I return actively, then my SO and I have called it quits. If I were single like Hollywood, I think I would just live the SD lifestyle and forget IRL relationships. Time will tell.

Peace Brothers, and be safe! Fred and Nando

**FredMoore** · 08-30-13 11:51

"Good night, good night! Parting is such sweet sorrow, that I shall say good night til it be morrow " Ah Shakespeare said it so well did he not?

Well gents, the time has come that I turn off the burner phone, close my SA / SDFM account, put my travel bag away, and ride into the sunset. It is not bittersweet, but only bitter that I give up the lifestyle that I have enjoyed for oh so many years. The reasons are several, but I realize for sure that this lifestyle is not compatible with a healthy relationship with a SO (or any for that matter) , in fact, it is damaging and unfair to her. Some of us get away with the sham for awhile and fool ourselves into thinking that we can play both ends against the middle, but it eventually comes back to bite you in the ass if you are in it long enough. I do value my SO and am going to make the effort to give her the attention that she deserves. There are of course, children, friends, family, finances involved. I am honored to have been in the company of so many cocks-men of note, and would like to think that I and my friend Nando have contributed substantive data to the group. I have been the recipient of multi hundreds of sweet babies' attentions, and spent tens of thousands of hard earned dollars chasing the holy grail, trying to (and succeeding) crawl into HYB's vaginas, hearts, and souls. I think I made a difference to their lives, and certainly to their bank accounts.

I leave with ATF #4 and SB #1 available whenever I would like, and it will be hard to resist occasionally dipping into that pool. I will no longer have the freedom of movement I had before, so any SB meet will be fraught with extreme hazard. I do seem to have a "get home free card ", but only one. Any more indiscretions will unleash the tiger within and life as I once knew it would be over. My ATF #3 last night was Amaaaazing as a parting gift from her, and she did not disappoint. We left on a lovely note.

I will probably lurk around and even contribute words of wisdom and experiences from the past from time to time. I will live vicariously through the brotherhood. You all prosper often and keep me entertained. Perhaps I will write a book, it's been a fascinating journey and I'm sure would be a good read. If I return actively, then my SO and I have called it quits. If I were single like Hollywood, I think I would just live the SD lifestyle and forget IRL relationships. Time will tell.

Peace Brothers, and be safe! Fred and Nando