"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FredMoore]

He is a man to admire for 1) living the American dream (inheritance) and 2) slaying the pussy.

It is all about the Money.

" If you got the money you get the honey." If I had $10 s of millions I would have girls all over the place.like Bigg Tigg, Hollywood, Scotty. Geez! If you guys had those kind of bucks (and maybe you do) your dicks would scar from overuse.

[HollywoodGuy]

http://articles.latimes.com/keyword/...-mudd/recent/2

I remember reading about this guy in the local paper and thinking. This is the way to do it. This was about 20 years ago and the seed was planted.

He had 7 SB's that he had ensconced each in their own home and saw each one once a week. He is my role model.

[Revvo]

Hollywood,

I see your point. It is like a candy store and you get to pick your flavor. And I have heard other comments on here about about how you do not get the drama with the SB. That you get with a civvie.

May be true. It just seems like there is so much work to this? Maybe I am still learning. I only started in February. I guess I need to get some more experience. I keep hearing about how my demographic has an advantage with these civvie women. The ones over 35. I actually prefer a woman that is a little more I. Touch with her own body. May give it a try.

By the way I got a M&G with a very hot AA young 20 yo. 8/10/7 this afternoon. We will see how it goes. She may have contracted a case of GPS. We will see how bad. I am also meeting my main Asian SB tomorrow for the day. And a new white 21 yo 7/9/7 POT on Monday for a m&g.

More reports to follow.

Revvo

[HollywoodGuy]

Smokarz,

I am curious about this myself. I told the story of two friends of mine recently divorced and killing the pussy. They are in their early 40's not good looking in fact one could be considered kinda homely. Good jobs but not money by any means. Both have good personalities. And can hold a conversation. But they got on these dating sites and were just fucking these women left and right. Even up to doing two a day!

Here I am working my ass off. Paying lots of money and trying to coax these babies out of their shyness or whatever they have. Dealing with god knows what kind of emotional trauma. And to top it off. I make three times as much money as these guys. Have many more assets, and I am even better looking than them. (at the risk of sounding conceited, I am just trying to put into perspective). These guys have told me that if I was single I would be "slaying the pussy out there". Their words not mine.

What the fuck is wrong with this picture?

Now the latest story. I have another friend better looking guy, makes good money. I would consider his personality ok, a little goofy. Not a player by any means. He is going through a bad divorce and goes to the bar about twice a week to sit there and watch the game or talk to the bartender. In the span of two months he has gotten laid about 10 times. And he is not even trying! The women are coming up to him and he is getting hot women. I have seen the pictures! 27, 31, 39, 40ish. All white all good looking. Some are telling him to just call when he wants to fuck. And costs him nothing. With a few exceptions not even buying them dinner!

This is fucking frustrating. He was told by a friend who is a mid forties divorced woman. That if you are normal to good looking and have a good job in this age range. You have a 10 to 1 advantage with the women. Essentially you are the hot commodity.

I just can't help but think. I am going about this all wrong. Too much work, too much money. And for something I could get for free and easy?

What do you guys think?

Revvo.

PS: I met this really cute tall 32YO white, brunette MILF, going through a divorce. I met her through a separate social encounter. I have her number. I think I am going to call her today and see if she wants to go and get a drink one night. Lets see what happens.

I don't know about you. But I LOVE going online and picking the exact type of face / body I am looking for out of HUNDREDs / maybe thousands of profiles. In a bar you get to pick from how many girls? I am very picky, hate pickup lines, and get the kind out girls that never go for them. So it's a different type of girl. Also I will not date a girl that drinks more than one drink, not likely in a bar.

[F Scott]

100% Agree, this has been one of my force multipliers. It is why I upgraded my phone to a virgin mobile android, $50 per month unlimited. I have found that I am preferring the younger ones now too.

BigTigg

As I have said before, in order to talk to the youg ones, and successfully bed them, you need to speak their language. I text now almost exclusively, once initial contact has been made and I've got their email and cell info. It increases the gravitational pull on the panties by a huge degree, getting them on the floor much faster than before I started texting. I now have to guard against all the "text-ese" creeping into my regular business correspondence.

Just got back from a lunch m&g with a hot mom who is good to go as soon as we can arrange a meeting in the FC. She is quirky, funny, artistic and smart, just how I like them, but at 32 is at the top end of my preferred age bracket. Something about her is extremely appealing, though. We spent about 15 minutes making out in my car before she got back on the train, and it definitely promised some very enjoyable things to come, so I am feeling happy. Got several flirty texts on the drive back to the office, which I also like.

Second date planned with an art student tomorrow, who frankly is out of my league in terms of attractiveness, but I think there are some daddy issues there, so I'm just going to roll with it. The fact that she is studying something that I do as part of my job is helpful. If I can land her in the next few weeks I'll be thrilled. She lives alone, so the scheduling will be much easier.

Thursday I have a "lunch" set with a 6' redhead who I spent the night with last week when my SO was out of town. She is absolutely gymnastic in bed, and, again, I find her immensely appealing. Scottie was at his most agile and alert all evening long, so I'm sure she is expecting a repeat performance, and I will do my best to give it to her.

It's great to see how active we all have become, and to see the posts of some new members of the club. Keep up the good work, gentlemen,

Scott

[BigTigger]

I.

On a final note, some people may be surprised with the amount of texting I do. But I like it doing it because a) You can tell if she's a Pro or not, regular girls like to text, pros often just want to get straight to the point be) It keeps my costs down. Some girls like to be paid in "attention" as well as cash. If you take the time to talk with them for a bit, they are more likely not to see you purely as an ATM machine. See) As mentioned before, it feeds my ego. The personal touch is why I see SBs over pros. It's not just about costs, I like knowing that I'm talking to a real human being and not a glorified blowup doll. So text is worth the time investment for me.

100% Agree, this has been one of my force multipliers. It is why I upgraded my phone to a virgin mobile android, $50 per month unlimited. I have found that I am preferring the younger ones now too.

BigTigg

[John G Smith]

I guess it's time for to do another update as well. After having my SB stable pretty much burn to the ground around the beginning of the year, from the ashes my stable has reemerged younger, tighter, and cheaper.

Innocence SB now known as Girlfriend SB

She's the young 18 year-old AA girl (8/8/10) I met a little over a month ago. She had a genuine attraction to me and said it wasn't all about the money from the start. We've might twice in the FC and so far the romps have been smoking. We text every day throughout the day. I've given her a total 140 since we've been together. Insanely low CPO. Just the other day she said her feelings were getting stronger for me and that she wanted to officially be boyfriend / girlfriend. I agreed. Not only will this keep my costs down with her but I genuinely enjoy the attention she gives me. I may love her at somepoint but I don't ever see myself leaving my wife for her, so I'm not worried about the usual "E-invovelment" hazards. But it's just a great feeling having a nubile 18 year-old just infatuated with you, great for the ego and libido. Due to distance, I only see her 1-2 times a month. So as much as I like her, I still needed some additional SBs to fill in the gaps.

Punk SB.

Another young 18 year-old half asian / half latina (8/6/9) SB I met in the last week or so and this one is closer to home. She also still lives at home, so her allowance needs are extremely modest. She was over the moon with the 100 I offered her. She's completely new and I nabbed her off SDFM from the new sign-ups and then quickly had her close her profile. We met last week and after the M&G we went straight to the FC because both of us had a pretty tight schedule. We were pressed for time but I found a notel near her house and then quickly did the deed. I could tell she was new to everything, but when it came down to the bedroom activity she was relaxed and let loose pretty easily. She's not highly skilled yet but it's clear she's a fast and willing learner. We haven't established a routine yet, but I'm budgeting two meetups a month with her. She texted me the day after our romp, so she was still on board. I don't text her nearly the same amount as my Girlfriend, but we usually exchange maybe 3-4 texts per day.

Geek SB.

She's a 20 year-old half asian / half white (7/7/8). She's a geeky full-time college student. Technically she's still a pot since we haven't done the deed yet. She's also new to the SB world but had a friend who was a professional SB advise her. Because of this, she was in GPS territory initially. But I talked her off the edge and it also helped that we have quite a few common interests. We did the pre-negotiations and settled on 450-500 per month. She has her own apartment, so she would be able to host (though she does have a roommate). She doesn't live around the corner, but she's still in the local area. If I could see her at least 3 times a month, then it will be a pretty good CPO. So we did a M&G this weekend and I thought it went well but you can never really tell sometimes. But she texted me immediately afterward basically continuing the conversation we had over lunch. No specific FC plans yet, but she's also texted me everyday since we met (exchange about 6-8 texts a day). So she's clearly still interested. But I'm going to wait for her to initiate the FC date. I want her to want it and honestly my plate is a bit full at the moment, so I can be patient.

Backseat SB.

She's back! I've been seeing this 20-year old latina SB (7/8/6) off and on for about a year. She's a pure booty call SB. We had a bit of a falling out about 2 months ago but I reached out to her recently and was extremely eager to start back up again. It was almost like she had been waiting on me to contact her again. We don't really connect at all personality-wise, but she's local, spinner, amazing tits, and knows how to grind in the backseat of a car. I thought she might go UTR, but she never did. I found out I was basically the only guy she was doing P2P with. So even though we don't really click, I still like having a hot young latina who's exclusive to me (in the sugar world) and basically on call.

Gone out to Pasture.

I let a couple SBs go. The 18-year-old stripper SB still texts me every 3-4 days, but she's somewhat unreliable. Body-wise she's probably a 9/10 (face / body) , but I can see the stripper lifestyle taking over before my eyes. On her Facebook page, she's showing off the weed she's about to smoke and etc. I'm not a prude or anything but I'm extremely cautious of SBs who use drugs. Unpredictable and unreliable. There's enough clean SBs out there that I can avoid the ones that have "habits". The Escort SB is also in the wind. I didn't strike it when it was hot and honestly I have better options that I didn't really need her in my stable anymore, so I stopped pursuing her.

So I now have 3-4 SBs in rotation all under the age of 21. My Girlfriend is my favorite and the other 3 girls will fill in the gaps. All of them are pretty much on a twice a month schedule.

On a final note, some people may be surprised with the amount of texting I do. But I like it doing it because a) You can tell if she's a Pro or not, regular girls like to text, pros often just want to get straight to the point be) It keeps my costs down. Some girls like to be paid in "attention" as well as cash. If you take the time to talk with them for a bit, they are more likely not to see you purely as an ATM machine. See) As mentioned before, it feeds my ego. The personal touch is why I see SBs over pros. It's not just about costs, I like knowing that I'm talking to a real human being and not a glorified blowup doll. So text is worth the time investment for me.

[BigTigger]

Not that they are not hard to find, but if anyone is interested in a 40 something curvy-thick white sb, I have a lead on SA. She is easy to talk to, ok looking, big boobs, a little extra weight on her, willing to drive and willing to go to FC on the first date. I had a date scheduled, but I have too much going on to take on this adventure.

BigTigg

[FredMoore]

Smokarz,

(That) if you are normal to good looking and have a good job in this age range. You have a 10 to 1 advantage with the women. Essentially you are the hot commodity.

I just can't help but think. I am going about this all wrong. Too much work, too much money. And for something I could get for free and easy?

What do you guys think?

Revvo

I feel your pain Rev! I too am a decent looking young looking senior citizen and sat in bars with no hot babes approaching me, so I don't know what these guys have that I don't. Perhaps youth, but therein lies the problem. I have a desire for 20 somethings and am not interested in older girls (over 35ish) and the only access to this age group for me is Dough Re Mi. I could slay 40 somethings all day long but not my style.

Now there is one exception to this on the regular dating sites. And that involves girls who want to land a husband who has money and social status. For us mongers who don't want marriage or are already married we need girls to bang who are either attracted to us or our money. Some of you guys who are in your 30s and early 40s probably can attract the youngsters with your own charm.

So I have to continue to put the money out there and catch what I can.

[PartyTimeGuy]

Hollywood has inspired me. So let me see, maybe I'm underestimating the fun I'm having.

NSA / Bootycall Group.

(Maryland)

- Thick 28 year old AA, with own place, career, etc. $200 per month. Met on SA Seeing her 2 to 3 times a month. #FreakyDentalAssitant.

- Thick big body AA 37 year old (H-Boobs. Big shapely butt. Almost no fat on her at all). Met on AM, meeting once a month. No cost #MsBigBody.

(Virginia)

-MsOxyMoron. $400 per month, seeing her once a week. I'm still paying for hotels, but found a 3 star for $88

-FreakyLatina. Thick Latina, met on AM. We meet Once a month. No cost.

Potential Girlfriend Group (agreed gift amounts)

MsSuccessful. We stopped seeing each other. She's married and her situation just changed too much for us to be a good fit. (no cost)

Druggie College SB. Spinner, with great face, we are just not a good match. ($700 per month)

-South Carolina 24 Year AA, nice legs, big boobs, little extra around the waist. She's moving here in the fall. She will have her own place and be a full time student. We are meeting in a few weeks. ($750 per month)

-Baltimore 21 year old AA college cutie. Just started emailing, have not met yet.

-DC 21 year old AA, works and goes to school in accounting field. Only exchanging emails so far.

Long Distance Group.

-Atlanta Big Butt friend. Was meeting once a month, now once every 2 months. Cover cost of expenses and $200 cash spending money when she's here.

-Alabama friend. 5'11, big boobs, runner. Met on dating site many years back. I see her once every 3 to 4 months. Expenses only.

-California White Thick 4'11, big boobs and big butt. We've not met, but she's ready to cum visit. Expenses only.

-Delaware 5'7 AA with not butt but big boobs. We were meeting once a month, but now it's very sporadic. $60-100 when we meet.

-Delaware 5'4 AA with big butt and big boobs. She has a butt that's even distracting to women. We were meeting once a month, but now it's very sporadic. $60-100 when we meet.

-Tidewater area Virgina, very pretty AA. 44 years old, nice boobs. Absolutely flat as ironing board butt. Meeting once a month. Met on AM. No cost.

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Currently on the hook for $400 with MsOxyMoron, plus $360 in hotel bills.

Everyone else is pay as you go or we have not sealed the deal on the arrangement yet.

I have a big boobs or big butt fetish. Got to have one or the other or be really cute / pretty.

I'm trying to stay under a total monthly budget of $1500.

BigTigg.

"I'd rather have a 6 three times than a 10 once"

Total agreement here. Three times six beats 10 times one.

I don't have the time or the energy to have the SB stable you or HollywoodGuy or Revvo and others keep but I have a small SB collection which is constantly evolving:

19 year old chubby freak: cute nympho who loves to be tied up, spanked and squirted for hours; meals and a show every once in a while.

45 year old MILF; newly divorced and feeling her oats; .5$ every now and then.

Pair of young lesbians (or so they say) .19 and 20: get a kick out of occasional cock; meals and $ for both for hours of fun.

19 year old; 6 rating overall with a 10 bubble ass; screamer and sucks like a Hoover; shopping is her thing.

When I grow up maybe I will have a real collection like you.

[PartyTimeGuy]

Met a moderately attractive (with a nice body) white MILF on SD4ME for dinner. She refused any cash payment saying that would be prostitution. $.7 for the dinner. We then went for a romantic walk in the park which led to a park bench where we spent the next hour groping like teenagers by the light of the moon. She suggested her coming to my place for the second date for a sleepover.

She is not looking for any romantic entanglements. Only a guy that can help get her over her proclaimed shyness. Like when I was rubbing her pussy she wouldn't let me look into her eyes and kept forcing me to makeout instead. A common theme I have seen over the years is younger girls looking to gain sexual experience (hence the older guy selection). Even though I regularly date much younger girls, she said I was the oldest guy she had ever dated.

Not totally my type physically, but she had a sweet personality and was very interested in persuing her sex fantasies and desires. It's our job to help these girls achieve their highest possible sexual potential. They should actually be paying us.

Your approach is similar to what I like to do. Variety is the objective. All ages, sizes and shapes are welcome because the attitude is the key. The chase and the game should be half the fun. Groping in the park like teenagers with a plan to pursue her sex fantasies and desires? I love it!

[Revvo]

Smokarz,

I am curious about this myself. I told the story of two friends of mine recently divorced and killing the pussy. They are in their early 40's not good looking in fact one could be considered kinda homely. Good jobs but not money by any means. Both have good personalities. And can hold a conversation. But they got on these dating sites and were just fucking these women left and right. Even up to doing two a day!

Here I am working my ass off. Paying lots of money and trying to coax these babies out of their shyness or whatever they have. Dealing with god knows what kind of emotional trauma. And to top it off. I make three times as much money as these guys. Have many more assets, and I am even better looking than them. (at the risk of sounding conceited, I am just trying to put into perspective). These guys have told me that if I was single I would be "slaying the pussy out there". Their words not mine.

What the fuck is wrong with this picture?

Now the latest story. I have another friend better looking guy, makes good money. I would consider his personality ok, a little goofy. Not a player by any means. He is going through a bad divorce and goes to the bar about twice a week to sit there and watch the game or talk to the bartender. In the span of two months he has gotten laid about 10 times. And he is not even trying! The women are coming up to him and he is getting hot women. I have seen the pictures! 27, 31, 39, 40ish. All white all good looking. Some are telling him to just call when he wants to fuck. And costs him nothing. With a few exceptions not even buying them dinner!

This is fucking frustrating. He was told by a friend who is a mid forties divorced woman. That if you are normal to good looking and have a good job in this age range. You have a 10 to 1 advantage with the women. Essentially you are the hot commodity.

I just can't help but think. I am going about this all wrong. Too much work, too much money. And for something I could get for free and easy?

What do you guys think?

Revvo

PS: I met this really cute tall 32YO white, brunette MILF, going through a divorce. I met her through a separate social encounter. I have her number. I think I am going to call her today and see if she wants to go and get a drink one night. Lets see what happens.

Ok, not sure this is appropriate on this thread.

But have anyone tried fb dating? I just signed up for Zoosk within the FB environment.

This could potentially be a goldmine for digging up nubile / inexperienced young SBs.

[HollywoodGuy]

Met a moderately attractive (with a nice body) white MILF on SD4ME for dinner. She refused any cash payment saying that would be prostitution. $.7 for the dinner. We then went for a romantic walk in the park which led to a park bench where we spent the next hour groping like teenagers by the light of the moon. She suggested her coming to my place for the second date for a sleepover.

She is not looking for any romantic entanglements. Only a guy that can help get her over her proclaimed shyness. Like when I was rubbing her pussy she wouldn't let me look into her eyes and kept forcing me to makeout instead. A common theme I have seen over the years is younger girls looking to gain sexual experience (hence the older guy selection). Even though I regularly date much younger girls, she said I was the oldest guy she had ever dated.

Not totally my type physically, but she had a sweet personality and was very interested in persuing her sex fantasies and desires. It's our job to help these girls achieve their highest possible sexual potential. They should actually be paying us.

[HollywoodGuy]

Hollywood has inspired me. So let me see, maybe I'm underestimating the fun I'm having.

Thanks. After a slightly rocky start I appreciate being a trusted member of this thread. And all those unattractive girls. You know, the spinners with the small boobs and tiny butts. Just send them over here.

[BigTigger]

Hollywood has inspired me. So let me see, maybe I'm underestimating the fun I'm having.

NSA / Bootycall Group.

(Maryland)

- Thick 28 year old AA, with own place, career, etc. $200 per month. Met on SA Seeing her 2 to 3 times a month. #FreakyDentalAssitant.

- Thick big body AA 37 year old (H-Boobs. Big shapely butt. Almost no fat on her at all). Met on AM, meeting once a month. No cost #MsBigBody.

(Virginia)

-MsOxyMoron. $400 per month, seeing her once a week. I'm still paying for hotels, but found a 3 star for $88

-FreakyLatina. Thick Latina, met on AM. We meet Once a month. No cost.

Potential Girlfriend Group (agreed gift amounts)

MsSuccessful. We stopped seeing each other. She's married and her situation just changed too much for us to be a good fit. (no cost)

Druggie College SB. Spinner, with great face, we are just not a good match. ($700 per month)

-South Carolina 24 Year AA, nice legs, big boobs, little extra around the waist. She's moving here in the fall. She will have her own place and be a full time student. We are meeting in a few weeks. ($750 per month)

-Baltimore 21 year old AA college cutie. Just started emailing, have not met yet.

-DC 21 year old AA, works and goes to school in accounting field. Only exchanging emails so far.

Long Distance Group.

-Atlanta Big Butt friend. Was meeting once a month, now once every 2 months. Cover cost of expenses and $200 cash spending money when she's here.

-Alabama friend. 5'11, big boobs, runner. Met on dating site many years back. I see her once every 3 to 4 months. Expenses only.

-California White Thick 4'11, big boobs and big butt. We've not met, but she's ready to cum visit. Expenses only.

-Delaware 5'7 AA with not butt but big boobs. We were meeting once a month, but now it's very sporadic. $60-100 when we meet.

-Delaware 5'4 AA with big butt and big boobs. She has a butt that's even distracting to women. We were meeting once a month, but now it's very sporadic. $60-100 when we meet.

-Tidewater area Virgina, very pretty AA. 44 years old, nice boobs. Absolutely flat as ironing board butt. Meeting once a month. Met on AM. No cost.

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Currently on the hook for $400 with MsOxyMoron, plus $360 in hotel bills.

Everyone else is pay as you go or we have not sealed the deal on the arrangement yet.

I have a big boobs or big butt fetish. Gotta have one or the other or be really cute/pretty.

I'm trying to stay under a total monthly budget of $1500

BigTigg
"I'd rather have a 6 three times than a 10 once"