"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FredMoore]

I was desperately addicted to my ex HCB and monitored the site the entire time I was seeing her. She continued to pop up on the site most of the time we dated. This drove me crazy and I didn't want to believe the truth. She was a multifucker looking for a broader market. I suppose she was becoming an URP (under the radar pro). What I failed to consider is that she was giving me Excellent value for my sugar and that I had no business wanting exclusivity because it didn't matter. All that mattered was how she made me feel when I was with her. Service is the key as in any industry.

If your SB stills logs on regularly she is talking to guys, either trying to add to her stable or upgrade to a higher paying SD. As long as she doesn't make you feel like a John and that she isn't acting like a hooker, then don't worry about it. It took me getting over that relationship to realize the tenet that most other guys here already know and follow. Score the pussy when and where available and don't worry about what they are doing.

[Blak Casper]

[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1711623]Well I'm definitely in a different place than I thought would be a few weeks ago.

My long-term project in the Collegiate Athlete baby, basically turned from a MB (Maybe Baby) to a NWB (No-Way Baby). Things were progressing nicely and I actually met some of her friends and her sister. But then she asked for some more help that required a little more $ than usual. I obliged because I thought we were making progress. But then soon after when I asked just for some moderate levels of intimacy, she basically stopped talking to me. So she either is just totally opposed to have any meaningful physical activities or she found someone else (I did see her still logging into the SD sites almost daily). I'm disappointed because she was definitely a prize but I'm done with her for now. She doesn't understand the concept of a mutually beneficial arrangement and she probably just tries to string guys along for as long as she can. Ironically though, I'm still talking to her sister, haha. I actually I click very well with her sister who's a few years older. Too bad she has a boyfriend, but you never know. = Quote}

Are you saying you gave sugar up front based on potentially getting in the panties and have not gotten in them yet?

This sounds like a game these hot chicks play and play well from the sounds of it.

The sister is going to get your wallet next and leave you with blue balls from the sounds of it.

The only reason to meet a friend is after you have hooked her on sex with you and they may be participants in a 3some.

Otherwise all you are to them is the guy who gives money.

Her logging on everyday should tell you the truth, but you want to believe your version of the truth, because you can't handle the truth.

Now if you've been banging her, disregard some of the above.

[Literal2]

Amen to that, SubCmdr.

As for me, I ducked the stripper's rendezvous request and went back to her club and did the deed again. I have to admit I have some trashy tastes because I like lap dances from a hot, wet girl and its hard to get a non stripper to do them properly. Well, most of the time. There was an actress / model in LA a few years back I found on CL and she came to my room and wriggled around to music until her clothes fell off and then she wriggled around on my dick for a while. Unfortunately, I had just gotten a BJ from a stripper down the street and Mr Johnson didn't respond much to the actress. Its one of the missed opportunities I still fantasize about. But I digress.

My current stripper clearly wants to get out of the club and into an SB / SD relationship off site. I don't want to do this. Too much logistical and secret agent work required. I go through phases I guess.

[SubCmdr]

I'm technically not dealing with SBs according to our "amateur status" definition. But I've managed to get a personal touch with these UTR / Pro girls because I properly identified their rookie status and I treated them with respect.

Mr. Smith,

Before the self rationalizers get their panties in a knot. They need to realize the title of this forum is: Sugerbabies / Arrangements Amateurs or Not?

Mr. Literal opened the forum with that question in mind. So, IMHO your post is right on point because your are clearly making an arrangement. Furthermore I would argue that each and every person who is married has made a legal arrangement with their spouse. And if you don't think so then you have never been divorced. Hehe!

Go Deep, Go HAM and Prosper!

SubCmdr out!

[John G Smith]

Well I'm definitely in a different place than I thought would be a few weeks ago.

My long-term project in the Collegiate Athlete baby, basically turned from a MB (Maybe Baby) to a NWB (No-Way Baby). Things were progressing nicely and I actually met some of her friends and her sister. But then she asked for some more help that required a little more $ than usual. I obliged because I thought we were making progress. But then soon after when I asked just for some moderate levels of intimacy, she basically stopped talking to me. So she either is just totally opposed to have any meaningful physical activities or she found someone else (I did see her still logging into the SD sites almost daily). I'm disappointed because she was definitely a prize but I'm done with her for now. She doesn't understand the concept of a mutually beneficial arrangement and she probably just tries to string guys along for as long as she can. Ironically though, I'm still talking to her sister, haha. I actually I click very well with her sister who's a few years older. Too bad she has a boyfriend, but you never know.

As for my pot Doublemint SBs, I basically flaked on them before they flaked on me. I just got a vibe from the very sporadic contact that it was going to be more trouble than it's worth. Despite a recent notable exception, I'm getting better at sniffing out girls who have a high probability of flaking out. With me being married and a tight work schedule, I just don't have time to deal with girls who flake out at the very last minute on meets or don't know how to plan ahead a bit. I basically no longer deal with girls who take longer than 5-6 hours to answer my text or who I only hear from once in a 3 day period when we're set to meetup within a few days. If it's not possible to have fast communication, then it's probably not going to go well for me at least. I might give these girls another spin when they don't rank as on my Flake-O meter.

So now I have a couple of other prospects.

Young Stripper SB

This girl is a 18 year-old stripper. BTW, I've read up on all the stories on here and in other forums on how dating a stripper can be an exciting but also mind numbingly aggravating. I was about to toss her back into the lake when I found out she was a stripper, but I think because she's still young, she hasn't been hardened / jaded by the stripper life yet. Plus it seems she has a genuine interest in me and doesn't see me purely as an ATM. We made plans to meetup in the FC this weekend and she didn't seem too concerned about the money I was giving her. When I offered a modest amount to test the waters, she simply asked if we could meet on Sunday instead of Saturday since Saturday is the day she makes the most money at the club. What she makes at the club is 3-10x more than what I offered her, so I expected her to ditch me but she's still very much interested. Ironically I think she used the SD site more as a match. Com dating site rather than as a way to purely to get paid the highest dollar possible. It seems like she has daddy issues and she's primarily looking for a older guy to give her emotional support with financial support being secondary. But I guess we'll see how we connect this weekend. Her looks and body are flawless, and unlike the recent hotties I was seeing, I'm going to be banging this one right out the gate.

Escort Baby Duex

I have a bad habit of trying to have quasi-SB / SD arrangements with escorts. Usually I attempt this with someone who has maybe just posted 1-2 BP ads total and only been escorting for a couple months or less. I can usually tell when the girl is fairly fresh when they still have sex like a "normal" girl or they still seem a bit lost. With these girls I try to turn them into Escort babies. Essentially it just means txting them casually sometimes and getting them to do "off-menu" stuff and turning off the "hourly" timer. I'm not trying to get them to stop escorting entirely. But usually these girls I identified don't want to actually escort full-time. They prefer to be UTR and maybe build up a small reliable client base. So for low-volume new girls, my offer can be appealing because it gives them a way to retreat to Under the Radar. And it's appealing to me because it gives me a reliable backup option. I get the reliability of an escort when it comes to setting up the FC appointment and the flexibility of a SB in the bedroom with the time restrictions removed.

I basically call an escort an Escort Baby when I'm able to do the following:

- Text her to say "Hi" or she texts me to chat briefly.

- In the bedroom I can kiss her and other typical "GFE" type stuff.

- And the most important and defining quality, there's no specific time constraints on our meeting. I give her the agreed upon $ and we stay at the FC as long as I feel like (within reason). There's no 140 for a half-hour non-sense. It's 140 until I'm ready to go home.

Okay now that I got that preamble on Escort Babies out of the way, I saw an escort a few nights ago. We clicked pretty well, and in my mind I considered her as a possible candidate. But sugar daddy / sugar baby arrangements are still a tricky subject to bring up to an escort because if you're not careful, they may think you're trying to be their Pimp. So I actually didn't bring it up with this girl in person. But the next day, on a lark I decided to just throw the offer out there to her via text, I didn't really expect a response. But within a few minutes later she responded and was very interested. She wasn't 100% on all the details of a SD / SB arrangement was, so I had to explain some additional stuff to her. She basically texted me continuously for the next day and a half about random topics and she gave me her real name (or at least a name different from her Escort name). We're suppose to meet again this Saturday. I won't be giving her any more than her "escort rate" when I saw earlier this week and she already said she would do "off-menu" things. The final question is whether I can get unlimited time for the same $, we haven't discussed that yet. But it looks promising.

I've been surprised how quickly she opened up to me. But she said she doesn't do this often and was impressed how much a gentlemen I was. So whether you're dealing with SBs, Strippers, UTRs, Pros, and etc, just acting like a gentlemen can get you a lot more mileage and occasionally you may get surprised. With these two girls, I'm technically not dealing with SBs according to our "amateur status" definition. But I've managed to get a personal touch with these UTR / Pro girls because I properly identified their rookie status and I treated them with respect.

The past couple of months have been pretty crazy for me, so I have no idea where I'll be even 2-3 weeks from now.

[Ky Man629]

Just out of curiosity, why does our opinion on her hotness matter?

If you're content to pay that price, then she's hot enough, or offers other enticements enough, to make it worth your while. If not, then not. But asking here sounds like you might be unsure of yourself, in which case you might want to step back a bit and evaluate just exactly what you want and what you're willing to give up to get it. Nobody here can tell you those things.

On the other hand, you could just be expressing your incredulity over the fact that a girl who's not that hot has the gall to ask for that much, and expressing that sentiment in a way that I find difficult to recognize. (:

/z

To me she is not hot but maybe was 10 years ago.

Someone responed to my orgional post that $150. 00 per meet with a hot Baby would be a good deal which I would agree with. I just wanted some other opinions to make sure I did not need to buy some new glasses, thats all.

Kyman

[Blak Casper]

My first dip in the bowl and just like that, I avoid trouble. Moni from SA is not who she says she is. Well I will take that back. Her profile number is 1462172. We sent a few emails and she made it clear that I had to help her financially first before we meet. As all the experts on here have said,"thats a no no." Anyhow, she emailed me some hot pics of a mixed chick. I told her I would help so she said westetn union was the way to go. I asked for her name

And location. I googled the name and found she had been arrested. Still not convinced I asked for her middle name to make sure I had the right one. She only gave the initial. I pretended I was at Wal-Mart and told her they need the middle name in order to make the transaction. She gives me her full name, I give it to google, and google tells me it's a chocolate chick that was arrested in 2007 and not a mixed hottie. Long story short, I gave her a bogus confirmation number sine she said she will call me as soon as she gets the money. If you need the name you can pm.

Nobody really needs the name because nobody should be wiring any money ahead no matter how cute the pictures or sad the story.

No real baby wants money up front, even the pros that sneak in and want way to much don't ask for money to be wired.

Only scammers are using the wire me scam.

[F Scott]

My first dip in the bowl and just like that, I avoid trouble. Moni from SA is not who she says she is. Well I will take that back. Her profile number is 1462172. We sent a few emails and she made it clear that I had to help her financially first before we meet. As all the experts on here have said,"thats a no no." Anyhow, she emailed me some hot pics of a mixed chick. I told her I would help so she said westetn union was the way to go. I asked for her name

And location. I googled the name and found she had been arrested. Still not convinced I asked for her middle name to make sure I had the right one. She only gave the initial. I pretended I was at Wal-Mart and told her they need the middle name in order to make the transaction. She gives me her full name, I give it to google, and google tells me it's a chocolate chick that was arrested in 2007 and not a mixed hottie. Long story short, I gave her a bogus confirmation number sine she said she will call me as soon as she gets the money. If you need the name you can pm.

Truck,

This is the beauty of this thread, and what makes it unique, I believe. Valuable information is freely shared. Glad you dodged that bullet, but don't let this experience deter you from making more casts. They are not all fakes and scammers, trust me, and once you land a sweet little fish that is a genuine baby, you will be hooked for life. At least that's how it worked for me.

Onward,

Scott

[LoriTruck]

My first dip in the bowl and just like that, I avoid trouble. Moni from SA is not who she says she is. Well I will take that back. Her profile number is 1462172. We sent a few emails and she made it clear that I had to help her financially first before we meet. As all the experts on here have said,"thats a no no." Anyhow, she emailed me some hot pics of a mixed chick. I told her I would help so she said westetn union was the way to go. I asked for her name

And location. I googled the name and found she had been arrested. Still not convinced I asked for her middle name to make sure I had the right one. She only gave the initial. I pretended I was at Wal-Mart and told her they need the middle name in order to make the transaction. She gives me her full name, I give it to google, and google tells me it's a chocolate chick that was arrested in 2007 and not a mixed hottie. Long story short, I gave her a bogus confirmation number sine she said she will call me as soon as she gets the money. If you need the name you can pm.

[BigTigger]

I will post more later, there are a number of items I want to address. Wanted to update. MsSuccessful seems to have made it through her family issues and is back on board. MsOxyMoron has been impossible to link up with. I get an email every 5 days saying "I miss you and can't wait to see you". It is hard to believe that when we can't make a simple date. My young hot college babe wants to link up again. The sex was actually pretty good, so I'm working it. But she's falling into Nando 1 territory, so I'm a little concerned about her.

Now I got some nibbles from CL and AM (of all places). So my CL Hottie. Is bringing things along slow. We have not met, but have had a few conversations and numerous texts. I think she's going to be the one that I jump out of my financial comfort zone with. Once I get to see her in person and get a good feel for the chemistry, I can make a decision. If we link up, she will by far, be my #1 sb in the looks and body department. I have 1 other nibble from CL, not much to talk about, will meet soon as a backup. Exchanging emails and some phone time with a married African American from AM. So far so good, not sure where it will go. If the CL Cutie comes through, it may require me cutting back. I know, I've said that before, but as soon as some seem dependable they flake out on me. So I got to keep some on the back-burner. Except for the CL Cutie, all of these fit my financial model.

BigTigg

[Zomby]

Hey my Craigslist responder baby put a profile on SA last night. The profile # is 1469445. She is asking $1000 to $3000 per month. Take a look and tell me your thoughts on wheather she is hot or not.

Kyman

Just out of curiosity, why does our opinion on her hotness matter?

If you're content to pay that price, then she's hot enough, or offers other enticements enough, to make it worth your while. If not, then not. But asking here sounds like you might be unsure of yourself, in which case you might want to step back a bit and evaluate just exactly what you want and what you're willing to give up to get it. Nobody here can tell you those things.

On the other hand, you could just be expressing your incredulity over the fact that a girl who's not that hot has the gall to ask for that much, and expressing that sentiment in a way that I find difficult to recognize. (:

/z

[F Scott]

Hey my Craigslist responder baby put a profile on SA last night. The profile # is 1469445. She is asking $1000 to $3000 per month. Take a look and tell me your thoughts on wheather she is hot or not.

Kyman

I would guess that she is not a pro, but an MB, a Maybe Baby, as in "maybe I'll sleep with you if the price is right." If I were you, I'd just drop it and vanish. There are more little fish in the pond. Good luck!

Scott

[Ky Man629]

Hey my Craigslist responder baby put a profile on SA last night. The profile # is 1469445. She is asking $1000 to $3000 per month. Take a look and tell me your thoughts on wheather she is hot or not.

Kyman

[SubCmdr]

Me.

Ok Just a few things to point out.

#1. I did not post this on a Sugar Baby site. You answeered my post on Craigslist. I was looking for a one time thing which your responded to.

#2. You say you had a Daddy a Long time ago which means you were a lot younger and the economy was a lot better.

#3. In the true Sugar Daddy world the ones that want to know the amount up front before the first meeting are called Professionals not babies.

#4. If you need that much a month, say $150. 00 per week would be $600. 00 a month maybe you should post on Backpage or get a real job times have changed. BABY.

Ok was I too harsh?

What do you think?

Kyman

Mr. Kyman,

I think your response was dead on. Don't take lectures from garden tools! And don't listen to advice about price from people who don't understand market pricing. In no other area do we pay a "amateur" at a professional level. Professionals have overhead and certain costs and risks as businesswomen that Sugar Babies don't.

This is a market! And like any market it is the people who are willing to overpay that cause market distortions. Last time I checked the pussy market there was no disruption of supply, nor any macro pressures driving up the overall cost of pussy. And if you review the past posts in this forum there is not a single one that says they get better pussy when they spend more for it. A different experience overall, but not better pussy.

Socially there have been experiments that show when all other factors are equalized men and women naturally pair up within two points of their appearance rating. In other words, if you want to play over 2 points above your personal appearance rating, then you have to bring factors to the table that makes the higher numbered individual want to move down on the attraction scale to be with you.

I don't have a problem telling any garden tool I'm dealing with to go find some other sucker pay big money. When you want to have some fun call me. You know what you look like, you know what she looks like and you know what the market is for your area. There is a big difference in a 6 a 8 and a 10! Love the pussy but never the garden tool it is attached too.

Go deep, Go HAM and prosper!

Subcmdr out!

[Blak Casper]

You laid it out just right!

Hi Guys:

I was bored and posted an add on craigslist. Here is a conversaton I had from a response from a supposed Baby.

Her.

Saw your ad and had to respond. I am 28 5'5 140 sexy hourglass figure medium length brown hair and beautiful brown eyes. I am a college student at UK.

I am looking for a daddy I can meet several times a month. What kind of allowance are willing to give a month? I have enclosed a picture if you like what you see email me back so we can meet asap. I would love to meet tomorrow if possible.

Me.

Would consider that. How much do you need a month? Do you have a certain bill you need help with?

Her.

How much are you willing to give for an allowance?

Me.

I think we are getting the cart befor the horse here. Before I could answer that realistically I would have to talk to someone in person, and get to know them a little. You interested in meeting sometime tomarrow a coffee or tea?

Her.

Look I have done this before and it is standard to tell the baby how much of an allowance she is going to get up front. That's how this works. I am going to assume that you have never done this before.

Me.

$100. 00 A month to share time every other week.

Her.

Yea ok you are never going to find a woman willing to do that for so little. The norm is at least 100 every time you meet. If you are that broke you do NOT need to be on here looking for a baby. The only woman you are going to find is some junkie looking for a fix. I will never do it for less than 150 each meeting. The daddy I had a lonng time ago would give me 200 every time and then throw me a little extra every so often

Me.

Ok Just a few things to point out.

#1. I did not post this on a Sugar Baby site. You answeered my post on Craigslist. I was looking for a one time thing which your responded to.

#2. You say you had a Daddy a Long time ago which means you were a lot younger and the economy was a lot better.

#3. In the true Sugar Daddy world the ones that want to know the amount up front before the first meeting are called Professionals not babies.

#4. If you need that much a month, say $150. 00 per week would be $600. 00 a month maybe you should post on Backpage or get a real job times have changed. BABY.

Ok was I too harsh?

What do you think?

Kyman