"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**F Scott** · 04-25-12 10:25

Brothers,

I have been talking off-thread with one of our own, and he and I have hit upon a possible sub-set of babies that we both have encountered who apparently are not looking for a long-term situation, but really just like to have sex and get a little sugar.

Our supposition is that they are not getting what they want from the boys their own age, and perhaps would feel a little inhibited in any event with members of their peer group if it got out, for example, that they have a thing for getting tied up, whereas with an SD, they can indulge their fantasies, (and ours) with someone who might have a trick or two up our own sleeves.

For example, my naughty Brit has been ringing the booty bell something fierce the past two weeks, and I am scheduled to answer the call tomorrow afternoon. She is not what I would call a regular for me, and I know for a fact that she is communicating with at least one other of you at the moment as well, so clearly she is not thinking of me as her "steady." I also know for a fact that she loves sex, and lots of it (I'm a little tired all of the sudden just thinking about our last get-together) , so what are we to make of this?

Mandy, I know this is not how you roll, but maybe you are in touch with some sisters that feel this way and could fill us in on the mind-set behind the behavior. If other of the brethren have experienced babies such as these, let's hear your thoughts. I want to make a distinction at the start that these must not be moonlighting pros. We all know what the motivation is there. To qualify, they must be true SBs, amateur status, but not interested in a long-term arrangement. Also, again to qualify for the survey I think you must have wrestled with them more than once.

If it turns out to be a large-enough subset, what do we call them? TSBs, thrill seeking babies; SSBs, sex seeking babies? Just some ideas.

Scott

**SubCmdr** · 04-24-12 22:52

Originally Posted by AliasSM [View Original Post]

played touchy / feely on the bed and before long the clothes were on the floor and she was well into the game.

Keep the faith my brothers. There are some good fishes in the sea.

Alias

All hail brother Alias. Behold his SB success. Way to tear it up my man!

SubCmdr Out

**F Scott** · 04-24-12 18:56

Originally Posted by AliasSM [View Original Post]

All of the sudden, I now totally understand what this SA thing is all about. I may be a member for life.

Alias

We will be holding the initiation ceremony this Saturday night.

**F Scott** · 04-24-12 15:00

I have only had sex on the initial M&G when I am using my out of town approach, and then the initial meeting is usually drinks, dinner and an hour or more of conversation, with the expressly stated promise that if one of us is not feeling the magic, the plug is pulled, no questions asked. This has happened only once to me, which is not to say I haven't struck out a couple of times on the road, even after all due diligence was taken in the email run-up to the main event. But as I discovered when I thought about it, my meeting-to-landing ratio is pretty good, probably because I try and screen heavily before we even get to the M&G stage.

When I am operating from my home pond, however, I never expect or really even try to achieve anything at the first meeting other than to determine a rapport, or not, as is sometimes the case. If it happened, I would not refuse, however. Who would?

Scott

**Hernando** · 04-24-12 13:05

Yep, I knew that would get your attention!

Mandy, as always you ask interesting questions. Do I expect sex on the first date? Yes (qualified ).

Until I found my dear SB of one year almost, I expected (and received) sex on the first date. In fact, I made that a requirement in return for Sugar at that date as well. My background comes from the escort side so sex was easy and necessary. Now I have changed my mind. If my SB moves on and I am forced to go back to the drawing board, I will carefully screen for the exact right SB for me who meets my expectations. I have the perfect girl now and can't imagine equaling the pleasure that she brings me. I need an educated classy girl who is not so sexually free with herself, and who will respect a monogamous relationship with me. Therefore I will court pots until I find the right one. I provide monogamy and expect the same.

However, I will not provide Sugar without sex. Some of the bloggers state that they require Sugar first for only a M&G, and that will not happen. I will also avoid entitled, spoiled SBs. Nothing turns me off more than a girl who is entitled and thinks her stuff is special.

**TravelinSD** · 04-24-12 10:58

This is somewhat related to the escort vs SB and sex on the first date discussion. As I mentioned my background before my SB last year was in escort-land. I travel a fair amount for business, and am no stranger to calling up an agency or independent for an hour of company. Since losing my SB and looking for another I thought I'd try a different tactic while traveling. On trips to San Diego and Chicago I knew I would have a free evening. So I sent messages to about 8-10 ladies off SD4Me with a proposition for dinner and if there was chemistry a night cap in my room. In each city I received 1 response out of the ones I sent and they both were excellent evenings. The first was in San Diego. She was 22, attractive, a good conversationalist and wonderful dinner companion. We did end up back in my room for a couple hours of fun. No compensation was ever mentioned in our communications. I ended up giving her $300 and she seemed happy. The Chicago experience was more straight forward. We agreed on $500 and there was no doubt she would come back to my room with me. Again, intelligent lady, great dinner companion and incredible sex partner! In both cases evenings like that, with that quality lady in the escort world would set you back at least 1k. So in future travels I will absolutely make this part of my plans.

Good Luck to all in all of your SB searches!

Drummer

**TravelinSD** · 04-24-12 10:45

Hi all,

I thought I'd add my thoughts to a couple of posts. I came from the escort world and "graduated" to the SB experience. While I don't think there are any definite lines between the two, I would largely agree with Hernando that it's the social interaction and relationship aspect that makes a SB vs simply an ATF escort. Monthly allowance I think also plays into it. Which leads me to sex on the first date. When responding to SBs I would never expect or initiate sex on the M&G unless it was discussed before hand. I've had two experiences here in my home town of Atlanta over the last couple of months where that was the case. One was actually 2 ladies (both 19) whom I contacted separately on SD4Me and were actually friends. They were pretty straight forward with what would happen after dinner on the M&G. Up side: 2 attractive, fairly interactive, HYB willing to meet for faaar less than any double in the escort world. Downside: sex was mediocre and it is nice to be able to talk to your companions between activities. It was like talking to a couple of rocks. The other was an agreed upon fee before hand if we would "explore all the aspects of our potential relationship" on our first date. She was interesting, but again mediocre sex for too much $$. So I guess I would describe both of those as escorts in SB clothing. As a matter of fact the second one showed up on some local escort sites a couple of weeks after I broke it off with her. I did have one other date where I wasn't expecting sex going into the M&G and we did end up hooking up afterwards. I did compensate her at that point for her time. I think any "test drive" should be compensated. Just some ramblings. I will write a related post about a couple of very nice experiences I've had hooking up with SBs while traveling.

**SbabyBlog** · 04-24-12 10:01

The interview went very well this morning! The guys were great and approached it from a "wow, we'd heard of this but didn't know it REALLY existed" perspective. Questions included: Most expensive thing ever bought for me, how much would a guy have to spend to just "nail me" (my response, that wouldn't happen!) , which led to the is that the difference between an escort and a baby. Then, how many SD's have I had at once, could I handle more. And lastly the wait, there's a note here that you might be married too?

I laughed a lot through it all. Thanks all for the feedback on the escort / baby perspective. It helped me get into that "frame" of mind this morning before the interview. You all are the best! I'll post the link to the recording as soon as it's up.

Mandy

**EuroInCincy** · 04-24-12 08:55

Originally Posted by SbabyBlog [View Original Post]

So, in prepping for my radio interview tomorrow I went back and looked at my old blog posts. While doing so, I ran across this statement."I want to find a friend for my daddy – not just a one night play date". On my blog play date is a little more explicit but I'm not sure if that's allowed here. Anyways, it made me think about Sub's most recent situation and a general question for you all. How many of you expect or anticipate any type of sexual activity on a first meet?

As always, just my opinion.

Mandy

Mandy, understand todays opinion can never be changed, no matter what other insights you'll get, it can and will be used against you.

Now back to lift off at the first encounter. Sometimes it happens sometimes it won't, it all depends on how the flow goes. I don't count on it but if there is an indication that the pot wants to go climb mount everest I won't stop her.

My M&G are coffee, fun, banter, to see if I can get along. To remove potential land mines. Is she ok with my situation etc. Just light and easy. Just because you have the launch codes, does not mean you need to go for the target. Remember wars are not won in a single battle. Sometimes not getting there at that time is more beneficial for the long run.

One thing I always do. Is ask if she is 'absolutely sure' she wants to climb mount everest. Since it will be there later. Pull back. And there is even more desire to climb it

Just my Euro cents

**SubCmdr** · 04-24-12 07:27

Originally Posted by SbabyBlog [View Original Post]

Sub, I wonder if you inadvertently made this girl feel like she was an escort by pushing the situation. Instead of saying I enjoyed meeting you and I'm looking to our next date you tempted / pushed an awkward situation that in all honestly is just a little trashy.

As always, just my opinion.

Mandy

Sbaby,

You are killing me girl. After reading your post, had to get myself off the floor I was laughing so hard. It occurred to me that you were not there. And I would be interested to hear exactly what you think I pushed? And couldn't she have said no? Is your implication that I should have just tossed her the sugar and hoped for the best in the future? This is not a well regulated market. I don't invest in garden tools. I pay for them and put them to work in my garden.

She made it clear after we completed the negotiations that she was not only ready to head to the room to present the party favors for inspection, but that she had brought her "bag of tricks" for advanced play time. She was looking for money now and let me know this very clearly. Like I said before, had she not been late we could have gotten a room. I didn't push anything. I did her a favor because a SW would have have been a quarter of the cost. I showed her that if you take care of me I'll take care of you. She got lunch, a drink, her cell phone turned back on and a chance to sample the Cmdr so she knew what she be working with. Maybe she made an assessment of my WPAD and decided it as too big for her missile silo. Maybe she found an SD with fatter pockets. Maybe she is just a flake! I had a great time and in case you are worried about me, I'm fine. I haven't lost any sleep over it. My post was supposed to be funny. I wanted to share and make everyone smile.

The sugar world is what it is. No matter how hard you try and spin it. I wish you success in your interview.

SubCmdr has left the building

**SbabyBlog** · 04-23-12 23:43

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

Sbaby you have a point. But, I found SB2 on SA. I would have taken her to a room if she had not been an hour late. We were supposed to get together a couple of days later but she never confirmed. She canceled our next three dates and has stopped all communication with me. Now Daddy is all dressed up with no Baby to blow me. LOL!

So, in prepping for my radio interview tomorrow I went back and looked at my old blog posts. While doing so, I ran across this statement."I want to find a friend for my daddy – not just a one night play date". On my blog play date is a little more explicit but I'm not sure if that's allowed here. Anyways, it made me think about Sub's most recent situation and a general question for you all. How many of you expect or anticipate any type of sexual activity on a first meet?

Sub, I wonder if you inadvertently made this girl feel like she was an escort by pushing the situation. Instead of saying I enjoyed meeting you and I'm looking to our next date you tempted / pushed an awkward situation that in all honestly is just a little trashy. At least from the female perspective. My point to the whole thing is if your goal for the SB is long-term, you may have to sacrifice the short-term gratification. If you push the short-term, well it shows her that you don't value her for anything more than that and she will vanish. Like I wrote above, I want a friend and I do think that's something common among us SB's. If you want them to keep talking with you and come to the next date, make sure you treat her like a friend.

As always, just my opinion.

Mandy

**AliasSM** · 04-23-12 23:03

For those of you that track these kind of things, I have not been too happy up to this point with the quality of SB I was running into on SA. Either the BBW type, which I'm not overly attracted to, or the GPS type that I couldn't afford. Well I finally hooked into a sweet young 22 year old HCB tonight that curled my toes big time. She was as nice as could be, and after the first M&G a few weeks back, she agreed to meet me at the hotel this time around. We killed a little time first with room service and a few drinks, then played touchy / feely on the bed and before long the clothes were on the floor and she was well into the game. All of the sudden, I now totally understand what this SA thing is all about. I may be a member for life.

I can't say at this point that she will be in the ATF category with the likes of Polo and some others, but it was a great start, at least for me.

Keep the faith my brothers. There are some good fishes in the sea.

Alias

**EuroInCincy** · 04-23-12 15:47

Originally Posted by Hernando [View Original Post]

m this rightward leaning, religiously conservative nation of ours.

Other non monetary benefits of Sugardom that prostitution doesn't offer the ladies are mentorship, career counselling, job offers (see Euro) , social enhancement and exposure, travel, barter (legal services, medical care, tax accounting) , friendship, and possible wealthy life partner acquisition (marriage, live in, long term) to name a few. For the men a SB offers youthful companionship, social exposure to a different culture, friendship, life partner acquisition of a much younger Girl than most older men would not have an entree to and vivacity in addition to the sexual benefits offered by a younger more energetic partner.

I am not sure how many can synergistically use benefits for a SB, but being involved in a few small companies I find it usually easier to offer certain benefits, which is easier of both. I get wine / champagne at wholesale so there I increase the sb 's reward with 30. 50 % already (Or I have reduced my 'cost)

Don't always just think in terms of cash.

**EuroInCincy** · 04-23-12 15:42

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Euro,

I think I can save you some money. I'd be happy to not lift my finger for $1200 a month!

Meant in total jest, but why do you still send her money? Fear of blackmail? If someone with fiduciary responsibilities in your company sniffs this out, isn't there a great deal of exposure for you?

Scott

No not fear LOL.

She wanted to work. So instead of the usual salary plus bonuses I gave her the option to get a % of the recurring monthly billing she would bring in until the client would leave. So she listened to me and opted for more $ (monthly) long run than what is usual "big" $ in the beginning

**JoesParty** · 04-23-12 13:17

Just to add to the chorus that not everything goes according to plan, let me describe my experience over the last couple of days. I was enjoying a hobby-free weekend trip to Chicago, when I get a text from ATF. She now has to work this week on the "special night" we had scheduled for ourselves. I guess I did jinx it by talking about it here the other day. I am assured that this event is still in the near future, but my hopes are fading fast.

I returned home last night and have the day off today, so I tried to arrange a second meeting, this time more than a M&G, with SB3, the pro. You'll recall that, when I met her last week, she described for me how her previous SD bought her everything under the sun. I told her that I was not in a position to do the same, and I thought she understood. So when I texted her this morning to set a time today, the amount of the gift came up. She more or less forced me to make the first offer, which all of us know can be a dicey situation. Too low, you offend her; too high, and you've locked yourself in for the future. I was only looking to spend a couple hours with her, and I thought I would be fair and offer my customary gift. She countered with double. I told her that, perhaps I've been lucky in the past, but her counter was not within my means, and that perhaps we'd better just move on, rather than waste each our time. She agreed to move on. Oh well. That'll teach me to continue to be extra careful when playing in the big leagues.

Still, there are a couple pots on the horizon, although it hurts to take one step forward and two steps back in the same weekend.