"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Magic Rat** · 04-23-12 11:50

"The moral of this story, I suppose, is that despite our best efforts to control things, or to ensure success, sometimes, more often than not, actually, things fall apart."

Scott. As we both know, this isn't limited to the as yet unknown SBs. I've learned the hard way that we have little to no control in our little pastime we love even once the Baby has invaded our soul. I do agree with Nando that it's useless to chase the bus / SBs that we haven't even met yet. At least half the time we're not going to want to do more than M&G anyways. My favorites are the Pot SBs that want to know how much you're going to spend just to see if it's worth their time even doing a M&G, especially when the Pot is a 40 something, overweight, average looking woman. I guess it's the old cynicism coming out in me. But this is still the most fun of any adult entertainment I've ever pursued. So hang in there guys. Something good will happen.

**Hernando** · 04-23-12 11:11

Mandy, the only way to avoid any semblance of Prostitution in a definition is to deny a guaranteed promise of sex in return for money or other valuable consideration. So, the benefit a Sugar relationship offers the couple is that SB provides companionship to the SD in return for both support as well as beautiful life experiences. Sex is an option in the relationship just as it is IRL but not a mandate.

We all know it is true that the majority of SDs are expecting sex in return for a SB's companionship, but you can't say that and expect support and sympathy from this rightward leaning, religiously conservative nation of ours.

Other non monetary benefits of Sugardom that prostitution doesn't offer the ladies are mentorship, career counselling, job offers (see Euro) , social enhancement and exposure, travel, barter (legal services, medical care, tax accounting) , friendship, and possible wealthy life partner acquisition (marriage, live in, long term) to name a few. For the men a SB offers youthful companionship, social exposure to a different culture, friendship, life partner acquisition of a much younger Girl than most older men would not have an entree to and vivacity in addition to the sexual benefits offered by a younger more energetic partner.

A prostitute purely and simply provides sexual activity in return for payment.

**Hernando** · 04-23-12 10:13

" Still haven't heard from her, and not sure I ever will at this point."

Castle, You have the sound of desperation in your prose. Forgive me if I am wrong, but I've been through the whole shebang as well. Consider this, YOU need to think of yourself in the driver's seat, not running behind the bus hoping to grab the rail. On SA alone the women / men ratio is 10/1. Good guys are hard for the ladies to find so do not tolerate bad behavior on their part. SB2 is totally disrespecting you and is not worthy of your time or energy. She is obviously taking a "better " offer at the last minute, blowing you off. Avoid these Nando 1s. Honorable SBs will treat pots with respect whether they date you or not, so just keep those cards and letters coming and you will find the right girl for you.

**F Scott** · 04-23-12 09:52

Originally Posted by Castlerae [View Original Post]

This weekend has been an odd one, to say the least. As many advised here, I sent SB#2 a message asking that she get back to me and clarify what was going on. She got back to me fairly promptly, and after some discussion, we agreed to meet again. That was to be last weekend, but an hour before I was to leave for the meeting, she texted me, saying something had come up and she couldn't make it. A few messages back and forth and we agreed to just push the meeting ahead a week, same place and time. So meeting time was to be yesterday, and just as I was getting ready to leave, the phone chimes to let me know I've got a new message. It's SB#2 telling me that, yet again, she can't make it. She offers to met me the next day, but I've already got something planned (see below) , so I tell her I can't make it and ask her if she has any other ideas. Still haven't heard from her, and not sure I ever will at this point.

Today, met another woman I contacted through SA. Whether anything happens, or if instead it all fizzles I do not know, but that's how this man's 'sugar weekend' ended.

Castle,

Your weekend sounds kind of typical for this pursuit. You've got to send a lot of texts and drink a lot of coffee before you find your ATF.

SB#2 reminds me of a baby I was in hot, hot pursuit of a while back. 20-something HCB, incredibly intelligent and articulate, a student at the Art Institute, an avid neo-burlesque artist, some interesting tats, an interest in all things Gaelic and medieval, and totally sexy in a 1940's pinup way. Good Lord, Scottie and I were delirious, and I was certain if I could just meet her once, she would be as putty in my hands.

A date and location for our M&G was set, and I made sure to put on clean clothes and brush my teeth before heading out the door. This was this past winter, so on the day of the first attempt there was snow on the side streets, but not the main ones. Still, coming into the city from the burbs, and then winding my way over to the breakfast place she had chosen was not all clear sailing. I get there, get a coffee and a table, and wait. And wait. And wait. Finally, I get a bat text saying she just woke up, her alarm mal-functioned, she was up late last night working on a painting, her cat was sick, the toilet was leaking, and, well, you get the picture.

"No problem," says I,"let's reschedule now. I'd really like to meet you." A new date and time is set, and I head out for my day. The new day comes; this time it had snowed a ton the night before, and getting to the cafe is a real hassle. I text her before I leave the house to make sure she will show this time, get assurances that it is just around the corner from her apartment so no worries, shovel my way to the garage, and head off, thankful I have 4 wheel drive. I get there, get a coffee, find a table, and wait. And wait. And wait. And text. And wait. During this time, much to my astonishment and consternation, someone I have known professionally for 20 years but haven't seen recently comes in, sees me, and greets me by name in a very loud voice! We talk for about 15 minutes at my table, one half of my brain paying attention to what she is saying, the other half watching the door and hoping that if the baby comes in and sees me talking to someone else, she will have to good sense to hang back. The third half of my brain is trying to construct a plausible excuse as to why I am so out of my home territory meeting an HCB so early in the morning. Thankfully (?) , she was again a no-show, so I extricated myself from my acquaintance, got back in my car, and headed off to work. No further messages from the baby. Strike out!

The moral of this story, I suppose, is that despite our best efforts to control things, or to ensure success, sometimes, more often than not, actually, things fall apart. As I have said before, they are a quixotic breed, these little babies. If it were all like this, I think I would have been out of the game long ago, but I can attest to the fact that there are successes, some of them quite fantastic ones (Polo) , and you will, eventually, meet your ATF. You need to keep in mind, it's nothing personal, just what happens sometimes.

Hope this is helpful to all my brothers who are not getting the results they had anticipated just yet.

Keep up the good work,

Scott

**F Scott** · 04-23-12 09:08

Originally Posted by EuroInCincy [View Original Post]

I agree.

A long time ago I met one and I let her work for me, but I constructed it so that she was on recurring monthly commission, , so now even after not having been with her for 4 years she still gets a monthly check of 1, 500 without lifting a finger.

Euro,

I think I can save you some money. I'd be happy to not lift my finger for $1200 a month!

Meant in total jest, but why do you still send her money? Fear of blackmail? If someone with fiduciary responsibilities in your company sniffs this out, isn't there a great deal of exposure for you?

Scott

**EuroInCincy** · 04-23-12 08:13

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

The Cmdr is in dry dock. My intelligence officer Lt. Cmdr Sbaby has conducted a review and found my profile lacking true Sugar Baby appeal. This is affecting the quality of Sugar Baby that I attract. Also, she has made me aware that I don't have the resources to play in in the deep end of the sugar bowl. She has also indicated that if I'm looking for a (garden tool) I'm going to find a (garden tool). I have acknowledged my lack of game and plan to step it up a notch. Her work is noted and appreciated. She has gone above and beyond the call of duty.

Sbaby you have a point. But, I found SB2 on SA. I would have taken her to a room if she had not been an hour late. We were supposed to get together a couple of days later but she never confirmed. She canceled our next three dates and has stopped all communication with me. Now Daddy is all dressed up with no Baby to blow me. LOL!

Well I kind of agree with Sbaby, about your budget. YET here I placed an add on Craigs, to find a sweet reply of an young female, intrigued by the idea of sb / sd, and all she wants is educational aide and a guide to assist in her expedition to the wild erotic mystical land. So how can one refuse that. Is providing 'education' and 'guidance' not also providing sugar?

So just as there are quite a few different targets, there are also different torpedoes for the accomplishment of the goal.

**SubCmdr** · 04-22-12 23:36

*This is my sociological mind working*

Think of it on a range.

Arrangement for a hour (bad). Arrangement for a lifetime (good)

It is about where on that range society draws the line of approval.

Back in the day the only approved structure was marriage. Now that has changed.

Practical example of this: Weed.

Weed has gone mainstream. Why? Because societal opinion has changed. This societal shift has lead to a change in usage and laws to support the new societal views towards it usage.

Where is Sugar on the line of approval? Where is swinging? Being Gay? Other forms of alternative sexual behavior?

Check out:

http://prostitution.procon.org/view....stionID=000096

The Cmdr has left the building

**SubCmdr** · 04-22-12 23:16

Originally Posted by SbabyBlog [View Original Post]

But Sub, can you really say this was a sugar baby? In my opinion a sugar relationship is more than a one or two time thing.

The Cmdr is in dry dock. My intelligence officer Lt. Cmdr Sbaby has conducted a review and found my profile lacking true Sugar Baby appeal. This is affecting the quality of Sugar Baby that I attract. Also, she has made me aware that I don't have the resources to play in in the deep end of the sugar bowl. She has also indicated that if I'm looking for a (garden tool) I'm going to find a (garden tool). I have acknowledged my lack of game and plan to step it up a notch. Her work is noted and appreciated. She has gone above and beyond the call of duty.

Sbaby you have a point. But, I found SB2 on SA. I would have taken her to a room if she had not been an hour late. We were supposed to get together a couple of days later but she never confirmed. She canceled our next three dates and has stopped all communication with me. Now Daddy is all dressed up with no Baby to blow me. LOL!

I'm not in control of the length or number of times a pot SB wants to see me. I would have seen her at least a few times (maybe more) had she simply made arrangements to bring the party favors and shown up. She could have been MY sugar baby. But alas, I found myself a victim of assault with a pussy weapon. What is a SD to do? Report this violation to the NASB (The National Association of Sugar Babies). I could request that she be sanctioned for "Failure to provide party favors in a timely and consistent manner" or "False impersonation of a Sugar Baby". No! Emotionally bruised and wallet light, I refuse to be a victim. I call upon the sympathy of the brotherhood (and sister) for their understanding and support to soothe my wounds. I shall not let this sugar baby false start deter me from pursuit of the ultimate goal. The ATF!

As we have previously discussed, I don't know what a SUGAR BABY is. But I know how MY Sugar Baby will act and treat me. But until I find the elusive ATF that my brothers-in-ass speak on so fondly I shall continue to prosecute targets of opportunity and deploy my WPAD to full effect.

Pursue, negotiate, get off. It's the sugar daddy way!

The SubCmdr has left the building

**EuroInCincy** · 04-22-12 23:01

Originally Posted by SbabyBlog [View Original Post]

Given all of our recent discussions on the cost of sugar I wanted to share that my latest blog post is about two different kinds of sugar myself and a sister received last week. For my sister, it was an unexpected moment of legal services. And for me,"The Doctor" stepped in to help solve a medical issue I've dealt with my entire life. My sister and I are very grateful for this assistance. See, sugar doesn't always mean money & shopping.

Mandy.

www.sugarbabystory.com

I agree.

A long time ago I met one and I let her work for me, but I constructed it so that she was on recurring monthly commission, , so now even after not having been with her for 4 years she still gets a monthly check of 1, 500 without lifting a finger.

**Castlerae** · 04-22-12 21:41

This weekend has been an odd one, to say the least. As many advised here, I sent SB#2 a message asking that she get back to me and clarify what was going on. She got back to me fairly promptly, and after some discussion, we agreed to meet again. That was to be last weekend, but an hour before I was to leave for the meeting, she texted me, saying something had come up and she couldn't make it. A few messages back and forth and we agreed to just push the meeting ahead a week, same place and time. So meeting time was to be yesterday, and just as I was getting ready to leave, the phone chimes to let me know I've got a new message. It's SB#2 telling me that, yet again, she can't make it. She offers to met me the next day, but I've already got something planned (see below) , so I tell her I can't make it and ask her if she has any other ideas. Still haven't heard from her, and not sure I ever will at this point.

Today, met another woman I contacted through SA. Like with SB#2, I let her choose the place we met for lunch. She picks the exact same place! Go figure. Some here insist that the idea is to keep the initial meeting simple and cheap, coffee or something simliar. I figure lunch isn't that much, and by giving her the chance to choose, I show her I can be considerate of her wishes. Besides, if I'm buy her lunch, I don't have to offer her anything for gas, and these days, lunch might almost be a bargain compared to filling a gas tank up. Anyhow, we met, got a seat, and started talking. She's in her mid-to-late twenties, decent looking body for a woman who says she's got a kid (father gone). She seems to be interested in me, and the talk last well past when we're both finished with lunch. We finally decide to get out of the place and I walk her to her car. I'd told her I didn't intend for our first meeting to end in a 'booty call', so we parted company. As with SB#2, she seemed to enjoy herself and acted interested in me. Whether anything happens, or if instead it all fizzles I do not know, but that's how this man's 'sugar weekend' ended.

Hopefully everyone else is doing better.

**SbabyBlog** · 04-22-12 20:09

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

It's not everyday you meet a strange girl ready to jerk and suck your dick to completion in a public parking lot in broad daylight. But when you do, I think you got to say it was a good day!

But Sub, can you really say this was a sugar baby? In my opinion a sugar relationship is more than a one or two time thing. I'd love to hear opinions on this from my brothers (HA! I've never had brothers!). Seriously though, I'm doing a radio interview on Tuesday (pre-recorded, anonymity will be kept) and I have to defend sugar and the differences between it and prostitution.

Now, it's a younger generation radio station and the segment is called "Real-sex" so I don't think I'll be challenged in any way. But, I'd love to hear your thoughts and opinions on the topic as it will shape how I answer those questions. Once the interview is aired, I'll get the link to it and put it on my blog.

Wish me luck!

Mandy

**SubCmdr** · 04-22-12 14:05

Originally Posted by SbabyBlog [View Original Post]

Given all of our recent discussions on the cost of sugar I wanted to share that my latest blog post is about two different kinds of sugar myself and a sister received last week. For my sister, it was an unexpected moment of legal services. And for me,"The Doctor" stepped in to help solve a medical issue I've dealt with my entire life. My sister and I are very grateful for this assistance. See, sugar doesn't always mean money & shopping.

Mandy.

www.sugarbabystory.com

Guess I'm going to have revisit the CPO formula and figure out some way to factor in "goodwill". Mandy you are a genius. I think you have discovered what ultimately raises sugar relationships out of the realm of strict transactional sex.

As the math texts say: "The proof is left to the reader"

SubCmdr Out

**SbabyBlog** · 04-22-12 09:22

Given all of our recent discussions on the cost of sugar I wanted to share that my latest blog post is about two different kinds of sugar myself and a sister received last week. For my sister, it was an unexpected moment of legal services. And for me,"The Doctor" stepped in to help solve a medical issue I've dealt with my entire life. My sister and I are very grateful for this assistance. See, sugar doesn't always mean money & shopping.

Mandy

www.sugarbabystory.com

**F Scott** · 04-20-12 17:39

Originally Posted by Hernando [View Original Post]

Scotty, this Polo of yours sounds like an experimenteur supreme.

I think she enjoys treating me like a Boy Toy and showing me all the sexy stuff she knows how to do. I'm totally fine with that. I hope I never graduate from Polo Academy.

Mandy, I knew a baby like that once, and it had its upside (intensity) and down side, honestly (the waiting period). After I posted, I did a google search on "blow jobs and toothpaste" and apparently there is a whole world out there that revolves around toothpaste, toothbrushes and other oral care tools and what nasty uses they can be put to. The women seem to advocate just a small dab, while the guys like to overdo it (what a surprise!)

Let me put this out to the general brotherhood, and I include you in that term, my sweet Babyblog, what are some other strange but effective household items that you have used or heard used? Something beyond hairbrushes and vaseline jelly. One poster highly touted the handle of an ice cream scooper, as an example. The things you can find on the internet, I swear!

Scott
PS - Joe, very funny joke about Sensodyne! You're a funny guy.

**Fixinit** · 04-20-12 17:25

Originally Posted by Bondo500 [View Original Post]

As Joe mentions I have let anyone wanting more than $150 / session walk and that's limited the playing field but no sense in trying to live a lifestyle I can't afford.

I am the same way with the sugar. I have a limit of $150 and if that doesn't work I move on. It has worked good up to this point and a few of the ones that wanted more have settled for this number and we had a good time.

There is a lot out there to choose from. Take your time and find what works for everyone involved.

Fix