"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Literal2]

Vroom: thanks, it's ok. In some weird way I feel protective towards the women I exploit, but enough said.

Golf: your stripper was 1 in a 100 I think. She's probably married with kids and normal life by now.

Mad: well, strippers do tend to be fit, at least the good ones do. Management weeds out the ugly ones. There are exceptions, of course. The sbs I've been seeing have all shown me photos before I meet them but several times the photos are a few years old and the girl is older or heavier. I have walked away from a couple of sbs. On average I think my sbs are at least as attractive as strippers though because they don't have the hardness a girl gets from taking off her clothes for strange men dozens of times every day. They don't make themselves up slutty either. In my experience, you always get a shock when you see a stripper outside in daylight.

[Madaboutmax]

I make it a standing rule to not involve myself with dancers. There's too many other amateurs out there that don't come with all the baggage.

Maybe this is why I am so interested in this thread. The idea of finding an amateur as good looking as a stripper, but without all of the drama is intriguing. So how would you guys rate the looks of some of your "amateur" SB's on the stripper scale?

[Golfcart]

One of the best pieces I ever had was handed to me by a stripper. Kept every promise she made. I did, too. That was years and years ago. I wish I could find her.

With that said I have learned to avoid strippers. They live and die by the up-sell. That doesn't lend itself to the escort, amateur or SD / SB situation.

[Varoom]

Now, to you, Literal. In my experience, every chat room, forum or other internet-based discussion group a "barn boss" emerges. My excuses to the rest of you earnest sd's, but that clearly is you. I am sorry to have intruded on you turf. I enjoy reading of your exploits, and will continue to do so, but will henceforth refrain from stealing focus. (edit delete)

Fscott doesn't seem to like the exchange in this thread. While Lit2 may have been suspect of ole fscott and his motives here, accurate or not, what fscott doesn't realize is Lit2 IS the Barn Boss here. He is the Barn Boss here because he started the thread on 12/26/10; it is HIS thread. The reason he started the thread is because the discourse of sb / sd didn't fit into the typical categories and others said, Go start your own thread. And he did. Kind of like coming into someone's house and telling them you don't like how they have the furniture arranged really. Not good form, as they say.

Seems as though fscott may be gone anyway, just dropped by and told Lit2 he doesn't like how he has his furniture arranged, and got up and left. Alrighty then. For the rest of us who have been around for any length of time, it seems that we like how you keep your furniture Lit2.

If so, I apologize.

Didn't mean / don't want to be barn boss.

No apology needed Lit2. It seems as though this little tif placed a bit of a damper on the info Lit2 was willing to share over the past week or so, almost in a concious effort to back off and not be the Barn Boss. But I think that most will agree with me, we appreciate and enjoy the way Lit2 has moderated, instructed, reported on your thrists, and overall conducted matters here in this thread. I for one feel that we are missing out on some reporting by Lit2 on his recent events with SB18. Oh and SB 11, or SB 4, etc, etc. In the words of Sgt Joe Friday (slightly altered);"Lets have the facts Lit2, just the facts." (and feel free to embellish the hell out of them for our reading pleasure). I for one appreciate Lit2 experience and efforts, both with the ladies and his willingness to share those experiences with the rest of us.

How do the rest of the contributors of this thread feel about this?

[CantWinLosin]

My experience w / strippers is similar to Literal's, with the added caveat that they are usually more trouble than they're worth once you "catch" them. They are in that limbo between amateur and pro, with all the faults and few of the advantages of either one. Many of these girls have a deep-seated hatred of men, and that comes out in their dealings with us -- very mercenary, distrustful and lots of drama. I have a friend who spent much of her 20's as a dancer, and she admits that it took her well into her 40's to learn to ever trust a man or have a real relationship with one.

I make it a standing rule to not involve myself with dancers. There's too many other amateurs out there that don't come with all the baggage.

[Literal2]

My experience, with the stripper type SB, has been that the retired, or soon to retire. 30 something girls tend to be the best. Old enough to not have unrealistic expectations on the value of their kitty, but young enough to still be hot and fun. I have 4 long term dancer / SB's that I have been with for over a year that range from 30 to early 40's.

I still enjoy chasing the hot 20 somethings, but they are flaky, full of drama, and lack skills in the bedroom. I guess I'm still chasing holy grail of SB's: " A hot 20 something body, with the sex drive of a 30 year old, the skills of a 40 year old and the grattitude of a 50 year old."

I found it took a long time and much moola spent in the VIP to develop relationships with strippers. As I posted earlier, I've had a total of four of these over the years. One was 22 with two kids and was looking for a nest but gave me the best BJ of my life. One was 19 and beautiful but wild beyond belief in her personal behavior and was self destructive. Both of these were short term affairs. Two older strippers, early thirties, lasted longer. One was engaged but after warning me not to get involved proceeded to get involved and cling. The other would not let me penetrate her with a condom on so there was a lot of HJ action. I will not bareback with any of these girls. One day she told me she could give me a child. I said no thanks. I saw her again a year later and she had her child, by another sc patron. Whew.

Earlier discussion on here about strippers concerned how hard is to fuck them. Some had my experience which was it takes a lot of warm up. Others seemed to be able to accelerate the process even avoiding buying any dances.

One great thing about dancers is you can check them out pretty thoroughly before you meet them alone and many have great bodies.

In recent years when I go to an sc, which isn't that often anymore, I try to spot the girls who will release you inside the club. This is less complicated for me, anyway. Others may have different experiences.

[Mrlefty]

So how did it go?

Delayed (my side, work). Should happen soon.

[Literal2]

Not much to tell.

Simple ad. Daddy looking for sugar (Baby). You need to enjoy life. Find someone that can invest in you. Blah blah blah.

2 ads over a couple of days. Got phone number verified by CL after that. So, I will either do the next from the coffee shop or hurry up and get the debit card.

Early 20s to early 30s. All looking for a little extra. One keeps sending me pictures of her naked, supposedly masterbating thinking about me.

We'll see. Today's the day.

By the way, no pics supplied to any. No phone numbers either. Just their fantasy. I tell them I am fat an ugly. .

So how did it go?

[Literal2]

Question. Do you guys do a phone verify before you meet?

If so, what do you talk about?

I always have at least one phone call."Just calling to get acquainted."

[Madaboutmax]

I agree the younger ones are flakier, but I've found the older ones ask more questions. Not sure if thats a trend or not.

My experience, with the stripper type SB, has been that the retired, or soon to retire. 30 something girls tend to be the best. Old enough to not have unrealistic expectations on the value of their kitty, but young enough to still be hot and fun. I have 4 long term dancer / SB's that I have been with for over a year that range from 30 to early 40's.

I still enjoy chasing the hot 20 somethings, but they are flaky, full of drama, and lack skills in the bedroom. I guess I'm still chasing holy grail of SB's: " A hot 20 something body, with the sex drive of a 30 year old, the skills of a 40 year old and the grattitude of a 50 year old."

[Mrlefty]

Question. Do you guys do a phone verify before you meet?

If so, what do you talk about?

[Literal2]

Hey guys. I've been reading this thread with much interest as I have dabbled in the SD / SB world off and on for a little over 2 years now. I'm not from your area. A much smaller place so the numbers of potential sbs aren't what I'm reading here. Mostly I've done the sd4me site, but about a month ago I joined the SA site.

I've had a few "one and dones" but 3 regular gigs that have all ended for one reason or another. All mine but one have been with sbs from outside my hometown. It takes some doing but at least I feel comfortable no one I know is going to see me coming out of a hotel at 4pm.

I've met 2 sbs from the SA site thus far. The first meeting ended up in a hotel room, where she told me she hadn't had sex in several months and acted like it. The second was in a restaurant with a 23 yo hottie, but I don't think is going anywhere. I'm actually seeing the first one again next week.

I enjoy the thread and learning some new techniques. It does take some effort, but in my case, generally the sex has been awesome. I've seen mostly older women (early 40's) and maybe they're more appreciative or something. The young ones are flakier and I have a more difficult time relating to them seems like. Not giving up on the young babes mind you. Just haven't had as good experiences yet as I have with the MILFs.

Thanks to the contributors here. It's been fun and informative. I'll try to share some of my successes, and failures, as well.

I agree the younger ones are flakier, but I've found the older ones ask more questions. Not sure if thats a trend or not.

[Literal2]

Not much to tell.

We'll see. Today's the day.

By the way, no pics supplied to any. No phone numbers either. Just their fantasy. I tell them I am fat an ugly. .

Good luck.

[Magic Rat]

Hey guys. I've been reading this thread with much interest as I have dabbled in the SD / SB world off and on for a little over 2 years now. I'm not from your area. A much smaller place so the numbers of potential sbs aren't what I'm reading here. Mostly I've done the sd4me site, but about a month ago I joined the SA site.

I've had a few "one and dones" but 3 regular gigs that have all ended for one reason or another. All mine but one have been with sbs from outside my hometown. It takes some doing but at least I feel comfortable no one I know is going to see me coming out of a hotel at 4pm.

I've met 2 sbs from the SA site thus far. The first meeting ended up in a hotel room, where she told me she hadn't had sex in several months and acted like it. The second was in a restaurant with a 23 yo hottie, but I don't think is going anywhere. I'm actually seeing the first one again next week.

I enjoy the thread and learning some new techniques. It does take some effort, but in my case, generally the sex has been awesome. I've seen mostly older women (early 40's) and maybe they're more appreciative or something. The young ones are flakier and I have a more difficult time relating to them seems like. Not giving up on the young babes mind you. Just haven't had as good experiences yet as I have with the MILFs.

Thanks to the contributors here. It's been fun and informative. I'll try to share some of my successes, and failures, as well.

[Mrlefty]

Not much to tell.

Simple ad. Daddy looking for sugar (Baby). You need to enjoy life. Find someone that can invest in you. Blah blah blah.

2 ads over a couple of days. Got phone number verified by CL after that. So, I will either do the next from the coffee shop or hurry up and get the debit card.

Early 20s to early 30s. All looking for a little extra. One keeps sending me pictures of her naked, supposedly masterbating thinking about me.

We'll see. Today's the day.

By the way, no pics supplied to any. No phone numbers either. Just their fantasy. I tell them I am fat an ugly. .