"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Literal2]

Hi guys,

I really appreciate the views we are all providing. But, I think we should just take it for what we're paying for them generally. And just get back to discussions about how to best "arrange" "sugarbabies."

I, for one, until I get a chance to get a prepaid debit card, have been resulting to the "ol" Craigslist. 2 ads. 5 women. Not stunners. But all ready to go.

Meeting first one tomorrow. No discussion of sugar. Lots of discussion about how they will make me happy. Some nude pics. Just not perfect enough to feel real.

I'll let you know.

P. S. LONG time lurker. In DC. Reading this discussion because it's amazing and exactly what I'm into. So, thank you all for your insights.

Sounds interesting Lefty. I'd love to know more about the ads. Two ads 5 women, wow.

[Literal2]

Gentlemen,

Imagine my surprise and amusement when I logged on to see what Literal and the rest of you had been up to and I find that my innocent post has stirred up a hornet's nest of controversy. I will attempt to clarify my remarks and then perhaps desist from posting here in the future.

My intention in commenting that many of these babies use a traceable name, picture or the like was two-fold; first, as Questor surmises, I was warning us all that in the age of digital information, almost anyone can find supposedly hidden or private information about you. I have set up an email account using my SD "name" so that anyone searching that name could only find information that I have put there. Seems only like common sense. Secondly, my comment about their naivety in using traceable information was to illustrate that the majority of these young women are, in fact, amateurs and not pros. Something we are all in search of.

I have never disclosed that I found out any information about them when we meet. I agree with you, Literal, that would just be cruel, probably freak them out, and be counterproductive to the stated goal. Fucking them. I find, for me, that it helps me to assure myself that they are not providers in the literal sense.

In terms of the "beginnings of a bond" comment, the bond I was referring to was one of a mutual sharing of a level of personal information. Their profiles on the sb sites are what they have crafted, as real or as fantastical as they want. When they email me off-site, a real name is always given, and an email that corroborates that is often used as well. Again, an indication of a level of trust in you; you have cleared the first hurdle, so to speak.

I am not a stalker, Literal, nor am I a student "playing games". I was merely sharing my thoughts about the process with similarly-interested hobbyists. There is nothing like this where I am from. Most of my compatriots are obsessing over BP ads from providers of dubious quality. The only thing I want to catch is a home run ball at Wrigley field.

As for my fake profile, I feel I gleaned and shared valuable and helpful information from it. If any of you have been inconvenienced by my lack of response to your contacts to me, I apologize, and offer this slight consolation: you wouldn't have gotten anywhere with me anyway. You all have penises.

In closing, I offer this last warning, and then a parting comment. I received a picture off-site from someone I contacted on SA that somehow didn't seem quite right. I tin-eyed it. No hits. My browser said it had been scanned for viruses and none were found. Still, my spidey-sense was tingling. I then right-clicked and looked at the image information, and it turned out it was html code, and thus probably some sort of trojan or other malicious intrusion. Before you download anything sent to you, check it every which-way.

Now, to you, Literal. In my experience, every chat room, forum or other internet-based discussion group a "barn boss" emerges. My excuses to the rest of you earnest sd's, but that clearly is you. I am sorry to have intruded on you turf. I enjoy reading of your exploits, and will continue to do so, but will henceforth refrain from stealing focus.

All my best to you all, and keep up the good work.

Sincerely,

Scott

Perhaps I overreacted in this hall of mirrors.

If so, I apologize.

That's useful information about downloading pix.

Didn't mean / don't want to be barn boss.

Be well.

[F Scott]

Gentlemen,

Imagine my surprise and amusement when I logged on to see what Literal and the rest of you had been up to and I find that my innocent post has stirred up a hornet's nest of controversy. I will attempt to clarify my remarks and then perhaps desist from posting here in the future.

My intention in commenting that many of these babies use a traceable name, picture or the like was two-fold; first, as Questor surmises, I was warning us all that in the age of digital information, almost anyone can find supposedly hidden or private information about you. I have set up an email account using my SD "name" so that anyone searching that name could only find information that I have put there. Seems only like common sense. Secondly, my comment about their naivety in using traceable information was to illustrate that the majority of these young women are, in fact, amateurs and not pros. Something we are all in search of.

I have never disclosed that I found out any information about them when we meet. I agree with you, Literal, that would just be cruel, probably freak them out, and be counterproductive to the stated goal. Fucking them. I find, for me, that it helps me to assure myself that they are not providers in the literal sense.

In terms of the "beginnings of a bond" comment, the bond I was referring to was one of a mutual sharing of a level of personal information. Their profiles on the sb sites are what they have crafted, as real or as fantastical as they want. When they email me off-site, a real name is always given, and an email that corroborates that is often used as well. Again, an indication of a level of trust in you; you have cleared the first hurdle, so to speak.

I am not a stalker, Literal, nor am I a student "playing games". I was merely sharing my thoughts about the process with similarly-interested hobbyists. There is nothing like this where I am from. Most of my compatriots are obsessing over BP ads from providers of dubious quality. The only thing I want to catch is a home run ball at Wrigley field.

As for my fake profile, I feel I gleaned and shared valuable and helpful information from it. If any of you have been inconvenienced by my lack of response to your contacts to me, I apologize, and offer this slight consolation: you wouldn't have gotten anywhere with me anyway. You all have penises.

In closing, I offer this last warning, and then a parting comment. I received a picture off-site from someone I contacted on SA that somehow didn't seem quite right. I tin-eyed it. No hits. My browser said it had been scanned for viruses and none were found. Still, my spidey-sense was tingling. I then right-clicked and looked at the image information, and it turned out it was html code, and thus probably some sort of trojan or other malicious intrusion. Before you download anything sent to you, check it every which-way.

Now, to you, Literal. In my experience, every chat room, forum or other internet-based discussion group a "barn boss" emerges. My excuses to the rest of you earnest sd's, but that clearly is you. I am sorry to have intruded on you turf. I enjoy reading of your exploits, and will continue to do so, but will henceforth refrain from stealing focus.

All my best to you all, and keep up the good work.

Sincerely,

Scott

[Mrlefty]

Just my views.

Hi guys,

I really appreciate the views we are all providing. But, I think we should just take it for what we're paying for them generally. And just get back to discussions about how to best "arrange" "sugarbabies."

I, for one, until I get a chance to get a prepaid debit card, have been resulting to the "ol" Craigslist. 2 ads. 5 women. Not stunners. But all ready to go.

Meeting first one tomorrow. No discussion of sugar. Lots of discussion about how they will make me happy. Some nude pics. Just not perfect enough to feel real.

I'll let you know.

P. S. LONG time lurker. In DC. Reading this discussion because it's amazing and exactly what I'm into. So, thank you all for your insights.

[Literal2]

F. Scott wrote, regarding tracing sbs true identity, that it was:

"a huge turn on"

"beginnings of a bond"

and

"so many babies, so little time"

Why is it a huge turn on or beginning of a bond to uncover a sb's or any utr's true identity?

Why this enthusiam for zeroing in so cruelly on the little sparrow in her secret nest?

Inmo, all a monger should want is a fuck. In exchange, I believe he should give young women orgasms and some bucks or other material gifts.

Turned on by identification? Sounds like stalking to me.

Just my views.

[CantWinLosin]

Thanks for this explanation. I had thought tin eye searched for resemblance or similarity but I gather from what you say that it probably just finds identical images.

When you give Tineye an image to search its database against, it does use a similarity algorithm to locate possible matches to that "target" image. It will find not only exact copies of the target image, but similar images, e.g. a differently-cropped version of the original image from which the target image was made. A good example of this is to Tineye the images our "older is better" neighbor Keri Diamonds uses on her ads. On a few of them, you can find the original image without its head cropped off (try the one in red bikini lingerie, with ass to the camera.)

(I think it's a hoot that she's overlayed "©KeriDiamonds. Com" on most of her website's images, since all the ones she did it to are stolen from various porn sites!)

But the key here is that Tineye must already have the reference info for each "matching" image (s) in it's database when you present it with a target image to look up. It doesn't - and cannot - go out searching the web in real time for matches to each image presented to it. What Tineye is saying when you present it with an image to find is,"I've scanned thru all the images in my database, and found XX images that are similar based on my comparison algorithm. Here those images are, along with the web site URL that I found each one on."

[Coolhand2]

F. Scott,

With respect, why do you want to deny the sb her anonymity if that's what she wants?

Isn't it her belief in anonymity that makes possible her utr activity? If there is no legitimate reason for tracking down her true identity, I think you should let her remain anonymous. First, she may be very unhappy if she finds out you have found out who she really is. Why be cruel? Second, she may be discouraged from participating in utr / sb activity. Mongers lose.

"Beginnings of a bond"?

What are you talking about?

I guess I don't see how or why ferreting out the sb's true identity is going to help you fuck her and it seems hostile to the girl.

I have found out several SB's identity the exact same way and I have two comments. One: I have used that information for one reason and one reason only. To help me sort out the amatures from the pros. I really don't see how that info would help me fuck them or create a bond. On the contrary I think they would feel less safe and frighten them off. If the illusion of being someone else other then who she really is helps her drop her panties then let the play go on!

Two: the first time it happen I realized I was similarly exposed and set up a bogus email account with a false name that I use for SB's. I decided to use a fake name instead of my SD handle to help them feel that they were connecting to a real person. For me that was important since I don't provide a picture.

Making a real amature feel comfortable in giving up the pussy for a straight cash deal is the hardest part of this whole SD / SB thing, if they have not had a SD before. I want to help them maintain the illusion that I am proving help not payment. I long ago lost my illusions; I see no harm in helping them maintain their own.

[Literal2]

My apologies if I have mistaken your purpose, F. Scott.

It is never my desire to criticize a fellow monger for creative variations in mongering technique.

Allow me a respectful question with components:

Is Questor right that your motivation is to protect your fellow mongers and are you making good faith efforts to actually fuck babies you identify personally while simultaneously limiting the inconvenience you cause other mongers by use of your false sb profile?

Or are you a non-monger, perhaps a student, just "playing games"?

[Literal2]

I don't think fscott was suggesting that you use this information to stalk the girls. He was saying that if YOU do the same thing with your e-mail, the girls can find out about you.

Hmmm. Perhaps.

But then why would F. Scott say.

" I have tin-eyed photos of some of the babies on my site and I often get their facebook or * pages! Their naivete is shocking but also a huge turn-on. These truly are amateurs!

Don't forget the off-site email. Often when a baby responds there, her email address indicates a name other than the one she is using on the site. Shocking, I know, but true. She has just surrendered a personal morsel of info about herself, and now you have the beginnings of a bond."

"a huge turn on"?

"beginnings of a bond"?

"so many babies so little time"?

Very odd Questor. If your theory is correct, F. Scott is trying to protect fellow mongers against sbs finding out their identity. In the process of giving the warning, he mentions that he finds the girls' slip ups "a huge turn on" and the "beginnings of a bond."

Could be, I suppose.

Odd though.

[KC Questor]

It seems like I keep jumping in with clarifications. Sorry about that.

My take on fscott's comment about e-mail was a warning to the guys. I believe he was saying that the girls use their regular e-mail for contacting SDs, without realizing how much anonymity they give up. If "sororitygirl69" turns out to have the e-mail address "kristin.davis88@ucla.edu", you have a whole bunch of information about her that she might not have wanted you to know: her real name, where she goes (or went) to school, and possibly even her age.

I don't think fscott was suggesting that you use this information to stalk the girls. He was saying that if YOU do the same thing with your e-mail, the girls can find out about you. So don't use your work e-mail, or your default ISP e-mail (cox. Net, rr. Com, att. Net.). Don't use the same e-mail that you use for Facebook or Twitter. Set up a throwaway e-mail that uses the same handle as you use on the SB site.

[Literal2]

Don't forget the off-site email. Often when a baby responds there, her email address indicates a name other than the one she is using on the site. Shocking, I know, but true. She has just surrendered a personal morsel of info about herself, and now you have the beginnings of a bond.

F. Scott,

With respect, why do you want to deny the sb her anonymity if that's what she wants?

Isn't it her belief in anonymity that makes possible her utr activity? If there is no legitimate reason for tracking down her true identity, I think you should let her remain anonymous. First, she may be very unhappy if she finds out you have found out who she really is. Why be cruel? Second, she may be discouraged from participating in utr / sb activity. Mongers lose.

"Beginnings of a bond"?

What are you talking about?

I guess I don't see how or why ferreting out the sb's true identity is going to help you fuck her and it seems hostile to the girl.

As to masquerading as an sb yourself with the fake photo of an escort as supposedly you, this kind of thing will be very annoying to those of us trying to find and penetrate female sex organs if we inadvertently stumble across your fake profile.

Perhaps I fail to understand something. In which case, please explain.

By the way, are you by any chance a student? I ask because one of my sbs told me about a college student who had figured out her true identity and pursued her in the guise of a rich businessman supposedly flying around on his private jet and supposedly sending limousines to pick her up for supposed big bucks mega dates and so on. Of course, the student never actually dared to meet her. It was a big waste of time for the girl. Some legitimate mongers lost their chances to have sex with the sb. I guess it was an amusing joke for the student but somewhat disruptive of the orderly flow of sbs to the pussy hungry mongers who inhabit this forum.

Others may disagree. That's ok. Just my views.

[Literal2]

Tineye is essentially a web crawler, digging around on the web to find every picture it can. However, like most web crawlers, it can only access images on wide-open, unsecured servers. That doesn't include anywhere near every image on the Internet. While many overseas servers (especially the eastern-european ones) lack security, only a very small percentage here in the states are that open. Have you noticed that the majority of Tineye's results come from domains other than. COM. NET (meaning they're mostly outside the US) , and the links are often broken? Most sites here in the US store images on secure servers where crawlers can't reach them, and that's especially true of sites with well-known privacy expectations like Facebook. Hell, Facebook recently started using a Java applet to display a user's full-sized images so (among other reasons) you can no longer right-click to save a local copy of the image.

The only saving grace is that most of the US-based sites that offer hot-young-lingerie-model or girls-gone-wild type pics are for-pay and and tightly controlled, and most hookers aren't going to shell out the membership fee just to steal photos, so they end up going to those open offshore sites that Tineye can crawl.

So by all means use Tineye as a tool, but recognize that like most tools it is suitable only for a limited set of purposes.

Thanks for this explanation. I had thought tin eye searched for resemblance or similarity but I gather from what you say that it probably just finds identical images.

[CantWinLosin]

Tineye is essentially a web crawler, digging around on the web to find every picture it can. However, like most web crawlers, it can only access images on wide-open, unsecured servers. That doesn't include anywhere near every image on the Internet. While many overseas servers (especially the eastern-european ones) lack security, only a very small percentage here in the states are that open. Have you noticed that the majority of Tineye's results come from domains other than. COM. NET (meaning they're mostly outside the US) , and the links are often broken? Most sites here in the US store images on secure servers where crawlers can't reach them, and that's especially true of sites with well-known privacy expectations like Facebook. Hell, Facebook recently started using a Java applet to display a user's full-sized images so (among other reasons) you can no longer right-click to save a local copy of the image.

The only saving grace is that most of the US-based sites that offer hot-young-lingerie-model or girls-gone-wild type pics are for-pay and and tightly controlled, and most hookers aren't going to shell out the membership fee just to steal photos, so they end up going to those open offshore sites that Tineye can crawl.

So by all means use Tineye as a tool, but recognize that like most tools it is suitable only for a limited set of purposes.

[Coolhand2]

With this in mind, I have changed my initial contact strategy, from just a "wink" to a short message, using some of their own language, and volunteering a few things about myself as well. Gold mine! I have upped my response to contact rate significantly, and in fact feel confident that three or four babies currently on the line would consent to come to the net when I can arrange my schedule to land them.

This is in line with my experienced when I went with the softer, gentler approach. My response rate went way up. I was able to bang one but it appears I may have lost two due to scheduling issues. The important thing is they were ready and it was me who was unable to close the deal. I'm waiting right now for a confirmation of a meeting tomorrow with the fourth one since my new approach. (If she confirms she will officially be designated as CSB7.)

I'm scheduled to meet CSB6 for the second time on Thursday. If it's just as good as the first time, I'm going to have a problem.

[Coolhand2]

Actually most of these young women seem to love being fucked for any reason. The sd / sb relationship gives them an excuse to do it without other implications. Once she starts cumming she doesn't give a shit how old or ugly you are.

Amen Brother! Amen!