Agency Discussion

[EMonkey]

Okay I wanted to interrupt your long long chit chat about the agencies. Sorry.

She is new to the BI and when I saw that she close enough were I was visiting some friends I decided to gave her a visit, Set up was easy, I asked if she was free around certain time and she actually was (yes!

Once I got to the place and I saw her she made me smile, she was like a cute package ready to be unwrap (she was wearing the same outfit from her profile) I can say she looked like the cute Latina that has some sass and flirt with her eyes at a University campus, her English is good enough for a date, her shape goes well with her size and proportions (for me at least), she would insist you for a shower before so keep that on mind to save some time, she is not much of a kisser but she does make nice faces during the action.

Over all the date went well but I would give her a 7 (she was not as flexible and made some positions a bit awkward), she can give you some dirt or sweet talk depending of your requests, she interacts pretty well, she likes to look at the mirror and that is a plus.

Damage 4.

Thank you for reading and now you can go back to your regular chit chat.

Have fun and stay warm.

By the way I went to Maine for two week and sucks, Provably it is only fun during summer time. (Okay I just wanted to take that out of my chest since I can't complain about it IRL LOL).

[Nrlmus]

you have this misconception that the agency keeps BBFS money. In 90% of the cases they do not.

I definitely second that in terms of maangels. Once I had a girl I got close to insisting on BBFS with no need for me to pay upgrade. We had a bit of a row following the session about that but she just outright refused to take it. She told me that she'd still get her agency cut but wanted to give me a present. No lie. Unfortunately she went back in Korea though.

[PaulRew]

Sorry man but you just don't know what you're talking about as far as women are concerned. Women come here very much voluntarily, very much aware of what they're in for and get compensated very well by Korean standards. Those of us who stayed in Korea for more than a week and have Korean friends know the score.

Moreover they're mostly in charge of their own schedule. I know a girl who constantly took days off because she didn't feel like working too much. Many of them take days or even week long vacations to see Gran Canyon, etc. There is absolutely no forced labor involved here. Obviously it's a business just like any other business. If agency feels that you don't make them money why would it bother with you? Welcome to America man! Or any other place on earth for that matter.

As for exploiting us, well, sorry if you feel that way. You know, nobody forces you to be exploited here. Don't need to spend your money on them. Just don't go. I'm just wondering if anybody else here feels exploited by escort agencies that constantly force them to see their girls?

I have not always seen eye to eye with Nrlmus but his rebuttal here of KB's post is pretty solid and an accurate assessment of the KGirl scene.

I do want to address this KB quote though:

Ask yourself: when these K agencies "offer" BBFS, do you really thing the women do that out of personal choice? The risks they run by providing the service are so high. They have to be compelled -- either through desperation for the $, or through some kind of strong arming.

Everything you say here is nonsense. The agency, any agency, wants the girls to be popular and busy that is all. If a GFE only girl like Gloria can book 6-10 guys a day they don't give two shits if she offers BBFS. Also, you have this misconception that the agency keeps BBFS money. In 90% of the cases they do not. BTT was the exception because they were greedy fucks and wanted to peel $50 off of the $150 bb fee. In NYC, LA, OC etc the girl and client make the BBFS deal in the room, agency has no knowledge of the upgrade.

I would be happy to post the history of KGirl BBFS being publicly offered (Started around 2019 in LA) but don't want to bog this post down.

[Nrlmus]

The other thing, I know that owners got arrested during BTT and VA bust. I also know that 28 mongers got in trouble. But I haven't heard anything about the girls. We all know that BTT always had girls in their apartments so if authorities were to burst in they would always find at least one girl working there but likely two. Chances are they might even be able to catch at least one of them in the act.

I haven't heard anything about BTT or Virginia girls getting in trouble. I just asked two girls that I'm in touch with about this, and they haven't heard anything about that either. Nobody got detained, summoned, let alone deported. Not as far as I or anybody I asked know. Anyone heard anything about that?

[Nrlmus]

Yup, dream on my friend, I see that rationalization machine starting up. Honestly, I told myself the same thing for years.

But the main point is that BTT really proves that the forces behind these constantly revived K-brothels are not people who a shit about the clients or the providers. They put clients at risk with reckless handling of client personal info (which we as suckers are happy to send them), and, let's be honest, they exploit the women. Sure. After mechanically fucking dozens of men a week, shuttled from room to dark room working 6 or 7 days a week for years, some do collect enough dollars to help get them or their families out of debt. But it's generally a miserable situation and it doesn't have to be that way.

Ask yourself: when these K agencies "offer" BBFS, do you really thing the women do that out of personal choice? The risks they run by providing the service are so high. They have to be compelled -- either through desperation for the $, or through some kind of strong arming.

Again, believe whatever fantasy you want. Go sign up the the "Geisha" agency, give them your personal details, it's your choice, but be honest with yourself about what you're being a part of.

Sorry man but you just don't know what you're talking about as far as women are concerned. Women come here very much voluntarily, very much aware of what they're in for and get compensated very well by Korean standards. Those of us who stayed in Korea for more than a week and have Korean friends know the score.

Moreover they're mostly in charge of their own schedule. I know a girl who constantly took days off because she didn't feel like working too much. Many of them take days or even week long vacations to see Gran Canyon, etc. There is absolutely no forced labor involved here. Obviously it's a business just like any other business. If agency feels that you don't make them money why would it bother with you? Welcome to America man! Or any other place on earth for that matter.

As for exploiting us, well, sorry if you feel that way. You know, nobody forces you to be exploited here. Don't need to spend your money on them. Just don't go. I'm just wondering if anybody else here feels exploited by escort agencies that constantly force them to see their girls?

[SmileyRocks2]

Yup, dream on my friend, I see that rationalization machine starting up. Honestly, I told myself the same thing for years.

But the main point is that BTT really proves that the forces behind these constantly revived K-brothels are not people who a shit about the clients or the providers. They put clients at risk with reckless handling of client personal info (which we as suckers are happy to send them), and, let's be honest, they exploit the women. Sure. After mechanically fucking dozens of men a week, shuttled from room to dark room working 6 or 7 days a week for years, some do collect enough dollars to help get them or their families out of debt. But it's generally a miserable situation and it doesn't have to be that way.

Ask yourself: when these K agencies "offer" BBFS, do you really thing the women do that out of personal choice? The risks they run by providing the service are so high. They have to be compelled -- either through desperation for the $, or through some kind of strong arming.

Again, believe whatever fantasy you want. Go sign up the the "Geisha" agency, give them your personal details, it's your choice, but be honest with yourself about what you're being a part of.

I have to concur! We can all try to rationalize it in whatever way we wish, but the bottom line is it is a bad situation for both mongers and providers. The only people who really win are the exploiters and traffickers.

Escort agencies (and escorts), in general, should be a very last resort for most of us. It is your hard-earned money, after all--you could be using it to improve your life! There are many women willing to sleep with you for free and as much as you could want if you are willing to put the time and energy into it. Even better quality women overseas who just want an American man regardless of looks, status, or wealth.

It is false to assume that these K-girls' only option to get out of debt is to allow themselves to be (effectively) raped by random strangers. I have greatly reduced my mongering activities in recent years, and now if I do, it's mostly with strippers who I've built a relationship with over time, girls who are more of a friends-with-extra-benefits type situation.

[KashkaiBoy]

What are you talking about dude? Your hard earned dollars are helping women that chose to sacrifice themselves in order to help their families back home. I wish there were more people in America who thought like that.

Yup, dream on my friend, I see that rationalization machine starting up. Honestly, I told myself the same thing for years.

But the main point is that BTT really proves that the forces behind these constantly revived K-brothels are not people who a shit about the clients or the providers. They put clients at risk with reckless handling of client personal info (which we as suckers are happy to send them), and, let's be honest, they exploit the women. Sure. After mechanically fucking dozens of men a week, shuttled from room to dark room working 6 or 7 days a week for years, some do collect enough dollars to help get them or their families out of debt. But it's generally a miserable situation and it doesn't have to be that way.

Ask yourself: when these K agencies "offer" BBFS, do you really thing the women do that out of personal choice? The risks they run by providing the service are so high. They have to be compelled -- either through desperation for the $, or through some kind of strong arming.

Again, believe whatever fantasy you want. Go sign up the the "Geisha" agency, give them your personal details, it's your choice, but be honest with yourself about what you're being a part of.

[Nrlmus]

Anyone try that geisha site? Seems interesting and I don't mind the price point if it's worth it. Also recording option? Wouldn't that make it legal and legit since you are shooting a porno for all intents and purposes 🤣.

There is at least one legit review on TER I think.

[ArtArt112]

Anyone try that geisha site? Seems interesting and I don't mind the price point if it's worth it. Also recording option? Wouldn't that make it legal and legit since you are shooting a porno for all intents and purposes 🤣.

[Nrlmus]

Gentlemen, gentlemen. I was a frequent client of BAD back a few years, and when it was busted it became clear that LE had in their possession copious records including applications for membership, workplace info, etc. I spent a few weeks on edge, and was freaked out by a number of weird calls I received that spooked me that my details had possibly been shared beyond for LE needs. In short I was very angry at BAD for claiming to protect info while clearly doing a terrible job of doing so.

In any case, I was lucky they did not pursue clients in the BAD case. I'm sure I was monitored during the last visit or two I made to BAD apartments, which were visits in the weeks leading up to the bust. There were guys pretending to be repairmen in hallway of the apartment and I remember them all clearly watching me as I left the apartment and one guy jumped into the elevator with me on my last visit and probably photographed me. I still have nightmares about what files they have probably have in storage, complete with photos, videos, text messages, etc.

After that I pledged not to give my real info to any agency, a vow that was hard to keep while reading the many ecstatic reviews of BTT providers over the time of that agency's existence. Now BTT is done for and this time clients have been called inand the state and fed authorities as promising to keep pursuing clients..

What are you talking about dude? Your hard earned dollars are helping women that chose to sacrifice themselves in order to help their families back home. I wish there were more people in America who thought like that.

[KashkaiBoy]

You don't actually know that. I'm sure its possible, but you can't say for sure.

If it makes you feel better to believe that these agencies pop up organically by individual entrepreneurs, with no central office coordination, and that the flow of sex workers from Korea to the US and their circulation through these brothels is all just a coincidental and organic thing, not controlled and profited from by syndicates that are already known to control the sex work market in Korea, then be my guest.

I presumed all of this even when I was a regular of BAD. I know there are bad actors in the business, and I guess I selfishly overlooked that in pursuit of my pleasure. But I always tried to get to know the providers and some of them were quite free in sharing details about their lives. From the details I heard, my sense is that they are not "trafficked" in the stereotypical way, but that many if not most are caught up in debts that they choose to pay off through working in the sex trade. Several told me that they were recruited by agencies in Korea that send them to the US with an itinerary of cities and local agencies that they work for. Some try to stay, some go back, but it seemed clear to me that for most of them, their conditions of work were set and controlled by some Korea-based interests.

In any case, my point here is that these syndicates are not acting with any particular interest in protecting the clients (to say nothing of the situation of the women that they employ). They demand real names and identification and save the information so that when busted all of it is easily available for the police to use. Again, if you choose to do business with them, fine, but the 28 who are going to court next week should give you pause. The next time I have no doubt the number of those charged will be larger.

[ThizzleHats]

What no one here wants to acknowledge is that these K agencies are operated by a very sophisticated, aggressive organized crime syndicate, probably based in Seoul. The money flows back to the chiefs who likely have no worries about criminal charges, especially not being in country. They send out minions to set up the agencies and calculate on them being busted after a certain amount of time. The local operators are just low level chumps who are expendable to the operations.

We should be asking ourselves if we really want to support all of this. Your hard earned dollars are flowing to foreign crime bosses who could give a shit about your safety, or even the safety of the local operators they send out to set up their enterprises. When one operation goes down -- they just send out another. And you keep paying them your money.

You don't actually know that. I'm sure its possible, but you can't say for sure.

[KashkaiBoy]

Gentlemen, gentlemen. I was a frequent client of BAD back a few years, and when it was busted it became clear that LE had in their possession copious records including applications for membership, workplace info, etc. I spent a few weeks on edge, and was freaked out by a number of weird calls I received that spooked me that my details had possibly been shared beyond for LE needs. In short I was very angry at BAD for claiming to protect info while clearly doing a terrible job of doing so.

In any case, I was lucky they did not pursue clients in the BAD case. I'm sure I was monitored during the last visit or two I made to BAD apartments, which were visits in the weeks leading up to the bust. There were guys pretending to be repairmen in hallway of the apartment and I remember them all clearly watching me as I left the apartment and one guy jumped into the elevator with me on my last visit and probably photographed me. I still have nightmares about what files they have probably have in storage, complete with photos, videos, text messages, etc.

After that I pledged not to give my real info to any agency, a vow that was hard to keep while reading the many ecstatic reviews of BTT providers over the time of that agency's existence. Now BTT is done for and this time clients have been called inand the state and fed authorities as promising to keep pursuing clients.

We now know: NEVER sign up with a K agency that requires identification and personal info. These agencies not only fail at providing a secure system of communication, they clearly keep physical paper records of client info (this is clear from the charges in both BAD and BTT cases). With BTT, the monitoring began early on, and even though only 28 clients have been charged this time, the feds have names and details of probably dozens of others which they will not be likely to be expunging any time soon.

I should say, isn't it sort of weird how quickly the new agencies pop up? What no one here wants to acknowledge is that these K agencies are operated by a very sophisticated, aggressive organized crime syndicate, probably based in Seoul. The money flows back to the chiefs who likely have no worries about criminal charges, especially not being in country. They send out minions to set up the agencies and calculate on them being busted after a certain amount of time. The local operators are just low level chumps who are expendable to the operations.

We should be asking ourselves if we really want to support all of this. Your hard earned dollars are flowing to foreign crime bosses who could give a shit about your safety, or even the safety of the local operators they send out to set up their enterprises. When one operation goes down -- they just send out another. And you keep paying them your money.

[Spill]

What informant? It was probably neighbors that eventually just had enough.

It was the huge amounts of $$ that got them into trouble. This is what kills all operations that run a more than basically efficient operation.

[Nrlmus]

Flawed logic, considering that BTT was being monitored pretty much since its inception. The informant is still out there, and there's still a chance of a rinse / repeat / profit type situation where they let the pot grow until they come swooping in again.

What informant? It was probably neighbors that eventually just had enough.