Massage Parlor Reports

**Oc Amper** · 12-19-23 16:19

Originally Posted by SaltyDog [View Original Post]

Popo was acting pretty chill and he asked you how much you paid and you told him? I sure hope the question was for the massage. Long time ago I was actually on the table when vice made a visit. Told me get dressed then came back. Such a friendly guy but then the questions came out about discussion of $ for services. How much were you going to give her and how much did she ask and for what. All the time switching back forth while being totally cool. You can tell me you won't get into any trouble he says. The gal got a pretty good lesson on how to lie to keep out of trouble. Guys never fall for that shit and never say anything other than you're there for a massage only. Fucking nice vise guy then goes full hardball. She told us everything already so you should just tell us so we can tell the judge you cooperated. Don't fall for that!

Dude you made me start laughing when you said Popo was acting pretty chill.

Less said, less they have to work with, as we all know. Not that I would say this to the cop, but if "she" already told all, then there is no need for me to repeat it.

I would think, an attorney would advise to say no more than, you were there to get a massage. That at least, gets something out of you, and if you don't say any more, then there isn't much they have on you, other than being in a massage establishment seeking a massage. I wouldn't get into how you found out about this place, or anything like that.

**Oc Amper** · 12-19-23 16:11

Originally Posted by Grimmy23 [View Original Post]

Most cities require what's called a Conditional Use Permit (CUP) for massage establishments.

All that being said, Orange has quite a few AMPs up and down Tustin St. So it seems to me that it's a city that tolerates them to a certain extent. Green Sign may have just attracted too much attention to itself.

I suspect what will happen is they will get drawn into a hearing in front of City Council and/or the Planning Commission over the status of their CUP, and whether or not they stay open will depend on the outcome of that. That's how these things usually play out.

I cut a bit of the response, only because it was very long, but very informative.

Orange Muni Code.

https://library.qcode.us/lib/orange_..._5_56?view=all

Looks like, Chief of Police can take action, if a violation of conditions is found. Take a look at.

5. 56.060 Conditions of Operation.

Looking over those conditions, I'd say Nature complied with just a few, violated most. The few they might have been in compliance of, probably are just minor conditions in the eye of the city.

"The Police Department may inspect the occupied massage rooms for the purpose of determining that the provisions of this chapter are met upon occurrence of any of the conditions which would require the posting of the "Notice To All Patrons" as set forth in this chapter. During an inspection, the City may verify the identity of all on-duty massage therapists. ".

That clause, I would imagine is fairly common. Being that the City / Police had little if any true evidence before, this allowed them to peek inside and see what was going on for themselves.

It will be interesting, to see what happens next. Probably, very much as described by Grimmy.

**Grimmy23** · 12-19-23 14:54

Originally Posted by OcAmper [View Original Post]

My guess is, this was nothing more than a meet and greet type, a shot across the bow type situation. As far as what happens in the future, that is completely situational. Some cities mostly ignore parlors, others will actively try to eliminate them. Election cycles can play into this as well. We only have this one event to go on, but it seems Orange might take an active role in getting this parlor shut down.

Do they try to reopen? They probably will, but betting it won't be open for too long.

The business license, runs from 2. 1. 23-1. 31.24, who knows if that will be renewed.

Most cities require what's called a Conditional Use Permit (CUP) for massage establishments. I had to get one for my (fully legit) one. To get a CUP you typically have to have a hearing in front of the city's development board. Before the hearing you have to send out notices of public hearing to all residences and businesses within a specified radius of your proposed location. There are actually "radius map" services out there that you have to hire to run whatever the specified radius is around the address (typically one mile, but can vary from city to city) and they will send you address labels for everybody who falls into that radius, which you have to deliver to the city so they can mail out the public hearing notices. Of course all of this comes at the business owner's cost. This gives neighboring residences and businesses an opportunity to comment or object to the proposed business.

When you get your CUP it comes with a bunch of attached conditions. Mine is about 8 pages of legalese covering various things. Can't be open past 10 PM, nobody can sleep in the building, must have clear windows so you can see into the lobby from the outside, no window coverings, doors have to be unlocked, nobody except employees and customers allowed past the lobby, etc. If at any time the city finds the business in violation of the terms of the CUP, they can revoke the CUP in a heartbeat, which means you're shut down. That's independent of the business license. My business license is renewed ever year but if my CUP gets yanked a day after I renew I'm still shut down because both are required in order to operate. All of this can be done by code enforcement without the need for LE to get involved. However, it is sometimes very hard for code enforcement to actually enforce anything without LE involvement because they don't have the capability of doing an investigation and gathering evidence.

All that being said, Orange has quite a few AMPs up and down Tustin St. So it seems to me that it's a city that tolerates them to a certain extent. Green Sign may have just attracted too much attention to itself.

I suspect what will happen is they will get drawn into a hearing in front of City Council and/or the Planning Commission over the status of their CUP, and whether or not they stay open will depend on the outcome of that. That's how these things usually play out.

**CryMoarHoar** · 12-19-23 14:46

Lots of review or RM website for this place so I went on to see what they have.

Usual. 4 for hhr entry.

A mid 40's MILF came into my room. Her name was Apple. Somewhat hot body.

Began to light touch her legs when she work on my back. She realized the signal and began to tease around by crack.

Turned me around shortly after and she offered you know what but I only went for HE.

Tip was. 5 when she asked for. 6.

It was alright and she let me suck on her pairs. She got pretty wet.

I will probably come back in the future.

Election year 2024? Play it safe guys.

**Dildo Baggens** · 12-19-23 12:41

Which LE were they? Sheriff, City or joint?

Originally Posted by KingWok [View Original Post]

They took my info and statement. Told me that they got multiple reports of the girls offering favors and asked what I was there for. There was like 6 cops vested up questioning everyone and had all the girls in the lobby. Overall the dude that questioned me was pretty chill luckily, Asked how much I paid, got my money back and told me I was free to go since they didn't know how long things were going to take.

**SaltyDog** · 12-19-23 12:26

Originally Posted by KingWok [View Original Post]

They took my info and statement. Told me that they got multiple reports of the girls offering favors and asked what I was there for. There was like 6 cops vested up questioning everyone and had all the girls in the lobby. Overall the dude that questioned me was pretty chill luckily, Asked how much I paid, got my money back and told me I was free to go since they didn't know how long things were going to take.

Popo was acting pretty chill and he asked you how much you paid and you told him? I sure hope the question was for the massage. Long time ago I was actually on the table when vice made a visit. Told me get dressed then came back. Such a friendly guy but then the questions came out about discussion of $ for services. How much were you going to give her and how much did she ask and for what. All the time switching back forth while being totally cool. You can tell me you won't get into any trouble he says. The gal got a pretty good lesson on how to lie to keep out of trouble. Guys never fall for that shit and never say anything other than you're there for a massage only. Fucking nice vise guy then goes full hardball. She told us everything already so you should just tell us so we can tell the judge you cooperated. Don't fall for that!

Dude you made me start laughing when you said Popo was acting pretty chill.

**Oc Amper** · 12-19-23 12:17

Originally Posted by KingWok [View Original Post]

It was just basic stuff like, How long were you here, is this your first time (it was) were you here for more then a massage. I just told him I only just got there and he told them to give me my money back LOL.

Just curious, how did all this go down? Girls in a panic? Yelling\screaming police are here? I would have to think, they saw LE as they pulled up? Or did LE just park along side of the building to aid with the element of surprise?

**Oc Amper** · 12-19-23 11:40

Originally Posted by CconstantRepea [View Original Post]

Relatively new to this, but I guess to the experienced heads, how does this usually play out? Do they reopen? Or now that they are under the eye of LE are they permanently stained with that reputation? Also while under the eye of LE, will the same quality of girls want to even work there anymore? Or is this it?

My guess is, this was nothing more than a meet and greet type, a shot across the bow type situation. As far as what happens in the future, that is completely situational. Some cities mostly ignore parlors, others will actively try to eliminate them. Election cycles can play into this as well. We only have this one event to go on, but it seems Orange might take an active role in getting this parlor shut down.

Do they try to reopen? They probably will, but betting it won't be open for too long.

The business license, runs from 2. 1. 23-1. 31.24, who knows if that will be renewed.

**BraveNuPengwin** · 12-19-23 08:57

Now that the Goblin is done, believe is at the Marriot, where will the Mongolian mongers go to get a good dtbbj?

Things are looking Grimm for 2024.

**ArtVandalay90** · 12-19-23 07:08

Originally Posted by Citrus1999 [View Original Post]

That was the only but huge issue with Nature. It was so popular, so out in the open, we all knew it was just a matter of time. That's why I always went late at night or on weekends. Every time I hear raids they were always weekday late morning. Even then I could never get 100% comfortable, always checking out the cameras in the rooms, etc and wanted to bounce right after the deed. I hope they resurface at a more secluded spot.

I went there on Thursday night for the first time. It was busy even at 9 pm. I had the best session I've had all year with Winnie, so I'm really sad if this place is gone for good. I really missed out all these months.

**New8888** · 12-19-23 02:36

Originally Posted by Morongo [View Original Post]

I struck out here last week. Called ahead and told Papp Adam I wanted to reserve the room. Got there, was escorted to the room and got a short Chinese masseuse. Nothing to write home about. She starts massage for about a minute, then pappasan calls her out, then a new girl (granny) wearing a mask comes in and takes over. She was wearing soft satin pants that are easy to slide off, so I thought I was good for FS. Massage was totally legit with zero teasing. I left with 10 minutes left on the clock. Sucks, cause I was really in the mood for some raw action.

I went back for a second try. Got the room and same girl. But I got BJ this time I ask for FS but she say no. Also I see a young girl work there have anyone try her yet?

**Citrus1999** · 12-18-23 21:34

That was the only but huge issue with Nature. It was so popular, so out in the open, we all knew it was just a matter of time. That's why I always went late at night or on weekends. Every time I hear raids they were always weekday late morning. Even then I could never get 100% comfortable, always checking out the cameras in the rooms, etc and wanted to bounce right after the deed. I hope they resurface at a more secluded spot.

**CconstantRepea** · 12-18-23 21:33

Relatively new to this, but I guess to the experienced heads, how does this usually play out? Do they reopen? Or now that they are under the eye of LE are they permanently stained with that reputation? Also while under the eye of LE, will the same quality of girls want to even work there anymore? Or is this it?

**KingWok** · 12-18-23 21:06

Originally Posted by BraveNuPengwin [View Original Post]

I don't even see how they lasted this long in a town like Orange, in Santa Ana who cares but Orange is the birth of the Karen.

What questions did they ask and how were you able to commandeer your money back?

It was just basic stuff like, How long were you here, is this your first time (it was) were you here for more then a massage. I just told him I only just got there and he told them to give me my money back LOL.