LA LA Land Bullshit and Fight Club

[James D 2004]

Ho ho ho!

I braved the LA Friday traffic. That beach booker told me to go up immediately. But I was left high and dry at the door. Total communication broke down. I can wait but this is ghetto. She must had been doing a QV for a hundred or two. So much disrespect. I left. I wasn't far when she called me back and offered a discount. No way. $50 cannot buy my dignity. At least $100. But she hesitated for a few minutes. Or the booker asked for approval. Too late. If I return she lost only $100. If I don't, she lost all $500. That will teach her a lesson.

[Phazze93]

Will leave the girl's name out of it, but just a general rant real quick. Apologies in advance if this describes any of you but I need to vent a sec.

Saw a girl but I'm quite sure that I ran into the monger before me and. This dude was fuckin GROSS looking.

Holy shit. Imagine Danny Devito but add 150 lb. (Not sure of ethnicity).

I walked into her room and damn it smelled like a Jamaican curry joint.

None of this girls reviews ever stated there was smells or anything. So I can only surmise it was from another monger.

The smell & just the mere thought I was going after that "THING" I saw. Will give me nightmares tonight.

Pretty sure it affected her mood as well. And who can blame a girl? She just fucked a monster.

I hate to say it. But for younger / top talent, either the girl or agency should start placing stricter restrictions on clients.

Age, weight, race.

Look, I'm not expecting every monger to be ripped. But god damn, but please some hygiene.

Some y'all (not sure if that dude is reading this forum) are fuckin nasty.

[GeeDaty]

What's with these argument novella posts lately? Mongers be getting attached to their favs feeling the need to come to their defenses on an online forum.

Can we please get back to posting reviews and recommendations for potential HYAs. IDK about why'all but I use this forum to guide my decisions about whether I'm going to spend my $$$ on a HYA or not.

If you want to have a back and forth with someone, there's a perfectly good PM system on this forum. We don't need this clouded with your sidebar conversation.

[PaenkeikeuPounder]

Tried to warn. I agree, standards are dropping here or supply isn't good. Its ok you can say she's ugly.

I think my comment was edited haha. Boner do comments get edited before being posted in the forum? I put some more stuff in the original that didn't come through. For example, I called someone a baboon lmfao.

[Subak77]

You said Baby moon is Yeji's doppelgnger. Your words. I personally would prefer mongers don't include comparisons if they're not realistic, but if they do, I will dispute and debate. That's what this platform is for. That's my way of improving the intel here. Lot of guys DM me agreeing but I guess they don't want to publicize.

I'll ignore most of your ad homs bc what's the point, but the Yeji comparison has been made and not only by me. Moon / Lady has the same cat face, similar facial structure, and a pretty large LA fan base whenever she comes back through town. Are you saying there's *zero* resemblance? Bc then I think you're blind. I said doppelganger in a moment of hyperbole before you and Slim came for me lmao!! I'll just call everyone baseline ugly from now on bc you seem to only want to bang HYA 10's for a couple hundred dollars an hour LMAO. See Shinjuku's comment on the impossibility of what you're asking for.

Anyway, I have conviction in my comparisons, and I know for a fact Zebra's eyes are sharp when it comes to noting visual references (even if he has slightly different *preferences* lmao which is totally fine). I'll note too that you do have good observations and I agree with some of the descriptions / details you note (for example, Chloe Kim and TMNT but cute). You have weird flexes but bro I'm so sincerely happy that you have dudes sliding into your DMs? I have talked to folks agreeing with me too, and Haven's positive reviews in the OC HYA thread speak to her all-around cuteness and GFE service. Yeah let's agree to always disagree on this on this then lmao.

I'll put my age guessing abilities against anyone here. If there's proof I'm ever wrong, I'll concede. In fact, based on Boner's HYA criteria, I would exclude Celine since she could realistically be up to 35-36 yo. She wears a lot of makeup and things she talks about are dated. And "one type"? Says the guy who's blowing his entire load across this forum on Haven.

I agree with Celine being in mid-30's BTW. Heavy makeup fr but her general prettiness made her feel younger, which is always how it goes. BTW I would put Freesia in early- to mid-30's, too, but bc again her visuals (and mannerisms) help to make her feel more youthful.

My top 5 are pretty varied across face and body type LOL. It's also clear that there's a singular (and sometimes boring) standard of "beauty" which we all kind of understand to be some combo of super skinny and big-ish boobs (I'm thinking about Freesia), and "pretty" face in a classic sense (I'm thinking about Celine, NG, Erica's face). I do think there is a breadth to who constitutes HYA and not only in the "classical" sense, as if there's only one correct answer. Subjectivity and whatnot.

I know you're trying to intellectualize this topic, but it really is as simple as fundamental supply and demand. I only need to say it once. Top tier girls will start and stay in LA or, at some point, make their way to LA. LA is arguably the biggest market for kgirls in the US with the most dudes and consistent spenders. Look at the number of / density of incall locations and bookers. There's always a new booker trying to spin off, recruit / poach girls, and trying to get a piece of the pie. Pricing and destination are all orchestrated between houses / bookers and agencies in korea. True top tier girls are recession-proof. Nothing, and I mean nothing, will prevent top girls from staying busy. Not covid, not STDs, not LE busts, not marriage, not GFs, not recessions, not being broke because dick inside HYA overrides all logic and risk.

Isn't intellectualizing what you're doing here? We're actually both just theorizing about what's happening and that's fine. Actually, I think paying *more* attention to trends can only be a good thing for mongers to think outside of all of their heads, little and otherwise. I agree LA is the biggest market, but you're also acting like the demand is strong and consistent all the time — that's not the case now in Nov / Dec 2023, and it wasn't the case in Nov / Dec 2022 and Nov / Dec 2021. There are clear seasonal shifts in demand *and* other variables that you're just crudely dismissing as trivial but, in reality, they affect the day-to-day earning potential for girls. I know a number of married mongers who had to step away after the bust bc they were scared of LE (but more of their wives finding out).

"True top tier girls are recession-proof. " This is also again crude and just plain wrong. The influx of J-girls and a number of JAV stars (as everyone knows) are literally coming to the US because of Japan's economic contractions in July-September 2023. (Are they true top-tier? Idk but I don't fuk with J-girls LOL.) You are making an idealized claim that really hot girls will always make money and that's probably like the LeBron / Messi analogy that somebody mentioned earlier about Freesia LOL. Yeah fine, super super hot girls will find a way to make money. But by and large (as Shinjuku noted), the LA market is a little bit different from that reality. True top-tier girls are probably in Macau or Dubai or some other place where working conditions (smaller dicks, more not-asshole customers, higher pay) are better. So are the HYAs (based on vibe) here in the LA market recession-proof? Probably not. Some of the girls who were booked for 3-4 weeks solid in the spring and summer are finding that business is a lot slower now for all kinds of reasons. It's kind of obtuse to ignore those as "not important if the girl is hot enough. " LOL hotness unfortunately does not solve all problems. All that to say, even though everyone loves to say "it's as easy as supply and demand" (because it's a good sound bite), it's actually always a little more complex.

Also, the LA / OC / SD market overlap has always been there. SD mongers drive to LA all the time, and some LA mongers with time / resources will drive down to SD. Shrug. Haven's still in LA area as far as I'm concerned.

NG is a good case study. She was consistently busy in the same location for a year. Some simps would regularly drive hours to see her LOL. She had multiple daddies but she's been a shrewd professional since her teens in different countries.

OK, on NG as case study. She's not a good case study for understanding what's happening in the industry in Nov / Dec 2023 bc she's not around. Chalk it up to good timing or whatever, but she avoided this slowdown in business and good for her. She'll be back tho bc she's shrewd (as you noted) and she loves money and hustling mongers LOL. Observation. Not hate here.

So, first, NG is not really HYA lololol sorry but she's got to be pushing 40 easily. But I do understand how and why she becomes a lot of people's ATF. She's a shrewd professional and that has less to do with HYA and more to do with her keen business acument. She works dudes with money and knows how to do it with savvy. That's how she landed those daddies. She also lets dudes do a lot to her in session that brings her up in the service rankings easily (and maybe make her "look" hotter bc that's how that goes sometimes). That's fine. But she's not doing it only on the basis of her so-called HYA looks. So she's a case study for business school fr but not for HYA only whatever.

[DankDonk]

I saw Yujin last week because of some of the good reviews. She's a pretty cute women. But she's def not HYA. This ***** is in her 30's and had a baby a while back. She has scars on her stomach and if you ask her what her tattoo near lower back means it's her child's name LOL.

I would not repeat. Nothing egregious. She's pretty but IMO she's a 7/10 with nice tits. She could barely take my dick (prob my fault since I can pound the whole hour). I felt like I was killing someone the way she was moaning. Service she tries hard but she doesn't know what she's doing. I like women who know how to fuck well or are seasoned pros to satisfy my demons. If they are not good at the deed, they better be hot and young as hell.

Don't get me wrong. She's not ugly. But some of the reviews LOL. I wonder if people are going blind or just falling in love with working girls.

Exactly. Yujin was not exciting. She's the most plastics face I have seen in a while. Service wise, she's just laying there.

Tried to warn. I agree, standards are dropping here or supply isn't good. Its ok you can say she's ugly.

[DankDonk]

2. Okay let me just clarify. Nobody is saying an exact replica of Suzy Bae is going to open the door for the pittance we're paying per hour. Plus I think Haven looks more like Bora Kim (the influencer Zebra noted in his review too). The visual references point I made is to encourage comparisons so that we have a better sense of what someone looks like and sometimes even like a fractional similarity in terms of upper facial structure, or similarities to nose and lips, that kind of thing. To give an example of how this works (quite well) in practice, see the recent reviews of diff girls by AlexisDavis and ZebraZebra. I'm thankful some folks are attentive to detail.

Bora Kim?? Lmaoo that's an even worse comparison. I don't even know how you draw a line between Haven and Bora kim. You can "see" whoever you want to see, but these comparisons diminish your claims of having a superior, nuanced eye. That was my initial point. And again, I have nothing against Zebra, but he said Yujin is ATF LOL. Stop making up concepts like "fractional similarity". Just say her nose looks like so and so's. You say you don't want oversimplified generalizations, but these comparisons are, by definition, just that. You said Baby moon is Yeji's doppelgänger. Your words. I personally would prefer mongers don't include comparisons if they're not realistic, but if they do, I will dispute and debate. That's what this platform is for. That's my way of improving the intel here. Lot of guys DM me agreeing but I guess they don't want to publicize.

4. Oh ok we're playing the "What kind of Asian are you?" I'm Korean. And it's incredibly weird (and uncomfortable) to flex by sharing personally identifiable information of a girl, so let's just stop this part of the conversation here. You know sooooo much about Korea, kudos. I am just a lowly gyopo. LOL lowkey giving Christophe. BTW just bc you're Asian doesn't mean you can't do things that are lowkey yt in thought and logic.

If you're man in your 30's don't say things like "I'm uncomfortable" - makes you sound whiny. And don't try to twist that into me flexing. I knew she's not from seoul as soon as she started speaking due to the accent. Any korean would pick up on that. Oh no! I've outed her! There's only a gazillion korean girls outside of seoul.

Here's what you constitute as white logic: (1) yt people are always the first to call 40-somethings young 😂 and (2) they have like one type when it comes to Korean girls.

I'll put my age guessing abilities against anyone here. If there's proof I'm ever wrong, I'll concede. In fact, based on Boner's HYA criteria, I would exclude Celine since she could realistically be up to 35-36 yo. She wears a lot of makeup and things she talks about are dated. And "one type"? Says the guy who's blowing his entire load across this forum on Haven.

5. Last thought is more a reflection on industry dynamics. There's more at play than an oversimplified claim that "real HYAs stay in LA. " The whole question of who constitutes HYA is in flux constantly. But even then, the recent influx of J-girls, the news of the bust in November, and the general holiday slowdown (that seems to be a recurring annual phenomenon) are important factors to consider in thinking about why folks have relocated. Bastard (our resident economist, among other things) has done a good job of providing some sharp macro insights elsewhere in the forum. It's never that simple and things are always changing in this industry, so it's good to be aware of trends and disruptions. Also bro Haven is in OC not like Boston LOL. Thankful for that. But I seriously hope she makes all the money she needs to make and gets out of here so that she doesn't have to tolerate all of our bullshit for that much longer.

This argument really shows how little you know. I know you're trying to intellectualize this topic, but it really is as simple as fundamental supply and demand. I only need to say it once. Top tier girls will start and stay in LA or, at some point, make their way to LA. LA is arguably the biggest market for kgirls in the US with the most dudes and consistent spenders. Look at the number of / density of incall locations and bookers. There's always a new booker trying to spin off, recruit / poach girls, and trying to get a piece of the pie. Pricing and destination are all orchestrated between houses / bookers and agencies in korea. True top tier girls are recession-proof. Nothing, and I mean nothing, will prevent top girls from staying busy. Not covid, not STDs, not LE busts, not marriage, not GFs, not recessions, not being broke because dick inside HYA overrides all logic and risk. NG is a good case study. She was consistently busy in the same location for a year. Some simps would regularly drive hours to see her LOL. She had multiple daddies but she's been a shrewd professional since her teens in different countries. I know Haven is your gf, but facts are facts. She needed to relocate. Don't take it personally. "Also bro Haven is in OC not like Boston LOL" Again shows you're not aware of how different OC / LA markets are. Logistically easier to just move to OC under same agency and tap into new market. You get ambitious SD mongers too.

[Subak77]

Bro I'm asian and go to korea 1-2 times a year. I have civie friends more attractive than your list. And what's your real ethnicity? While I agree Haven is cute...

1. Finallyyyyy! First, let's just agree that Haven is cute. Hehe. She's HYA to me and many other reviewers here and elsewhere. Superlative natural face and boobs. Nonghyup Bank.

2. Okay let me just clarify. Nobody is saying an exact replica of Suzy Bae is going to open the door for the pittance we're paying per hour. Plus I think Haven looks more like Bora Kim (the influencer Zebra noted in his review too). The visual references point I made is to encourage comparisons so that we have a better sense of what someone looks like — and sometimes even like a fractional similarity in terms of upper facial structure, or similarities to nose and lips, that kind of thing. To give an example of how this works (quite well) in practice, see the recent reviews of diff girls by AlexisDavis and ZebraZebra. I'm thankful some folks are attentive to detail.

3. The Chloe Kim reference was a dig at Slim's pretty two-dimensional post history LOL. The TMNT visual comparison is pretty good. So it *is* possible for you to make good visual references. Keep up the good work lmao.

4. Oh ok we're playing the "What kind of Asian are you?" I'm Korean. And it's incredibly weird (and uncomfortable) to flex by sharing personally identifiable information of a girl, so let's just stop this part of the conversation here. You know sooooo much about Korea, kudos. I am just a lowly gyopo. LOL lowkey giving Christophe. BTW just bc you're Asian doesn't mean you can't do things that are lowkey yt in thought and logic.

5. Last thought is more a reflection on industry dynamics. There's more at play than an oversimplified claim that "real HYAs stay in LA. " The whole question of who constitutes HYA is in flux constantly. But even then, the recent influx of J-girls, the news of the bust in November, and the general holiday slowdown (that seems to be a recurring annual phenomenon) are important factors to consider in thinking about why folks have relocated. Bastard (our resident economist, among other things) has done a good job of providing some sharp macro insights elsewhere in the forum. It's never that simple and things are always changing in this industry, so it's good to be aware of trends and disruptions. Also bro Haven is in OC not like Boston LOL. Thankful for that. But I seriously hope she makes all the money she needs to make and gets out of here so that she doesn't have to tolerate all of our bullshit for that much longer.

P.S. AlexisDavis wow at your list. Thank you for pushing us to be better. Shout out to Boner for his attempt at a Tittysburg Address. We're all degenerates here, but let's try to be better, more informed degenerates that don't settle for oversimplified generalizations.

[Chidolitis]

I'm confused man. You came on the forum to ask for feedback, then you got an overwhelming amount of feedback that said you were indeed in the wrong. But you kept replying to said feedback with your justification to try and convince us that you weren't in the wrong. But ultimately it was disingenuous, because you had already made up your mind about what you wanted to do and you didn't really care about what the rest of the dudes had to say.

Then you started name-calling because she blocked you (despite that being one of the first things that someone told you would happen with her and her crew if you didn't pay her), and accused the folks that disagreed with you as White Knights. Which is the same manipulation tactic that you said the provider used with you. Peculiar ain't it?

That said, next time just be straight up. Don't BS the forum. Do what you wanted to do to begin with without dragging us into it and wasting everyone's fucking time and the forum's precious bandwidth.

Well said again Lex.

At first, I wasn't going to post my whole story. But I figured it be something interesting for the community to read and learn from my mistake. But shit, who knew it stirred up all kinds of emotions. It sure showed me who can think clearly vs. Who jumps to conclusions based on their half asses reading.

It must have been about the 4th time now that I said I did not realize I had the donation on me until she texted me a few hours later, when I was well out of the city she was hosting. I tried to reply but she blocked me.

I also went through great length to explain that this was AN ACCIDENT. I always fulfill my end of the deal. But apparently, the white knights, trolls, simps, and ignorant fools some how got the idea that this is something I practice on a regular base. Idiots will be idiots.

Next good point is about feeling out the vibe of the session asap. If it feels off, call it off. This was my mistake here. I noticed her cold stare but I was wishful thinking that it would get better. Nope. It only got worse. This is the lesson to be learned.

Lastly, I agree that if the girl honors her menu and had reasonable attitude, and even though her skills sucks, the BJ was painful, she smelled like a dead fish, sounded like a dying donkey, didn't look quite like her pics, but the guy did the deed already, he should pay. This has definitely happened to me.

The girl was subpar, an unsatisfactory experience, yet I always paid them in full because that's what's agreed on.

However, I will let the fellas know to dodge a downer. That's just how it should go.

[DankDonk]

Weird that you're implying I'm a booker just because I gave a negative appearance rating on everyone's favorite, Ari, and when most of my post are about asking who the best girls are. If anything, those who responded to my ari review sound like bookers or just white knights but not my job to point it out and up to the viewers to decide who to trust. Feel free to review my post history and gather evidence on what makes you think I'm possible booker. Enjoy.

Fair enough its all good. I just thought it was strange.

FWIW I haven't even seen your Ari review. It wasn't about that. It was the promotion of that site.

[SturdyBirdy]

Weird that you're implying I'm a booker just because I gave a negative appearance rating on everyone's favorite, Ari, and when most of my post are about asking who the best girls are. If anything, those who responded to my ari review sound like bookers or just white knights but not my job to point it out and up to the viewers to decide who to trust. Feel free to review my post history and gather evidence on what makes you think I'm possible booker. Enjoy.

I replied to a guy who replied to your post on Ari. That guy asked what fans of Ari see in her. I laid out my case in some detail because I have been led into some regrettable sessions by people whom I think have lower or unusual standards for the things I like. For example, the leanness vs. Juicy ass trade-off. I find that many people have lower standards for what I could consider a juicy ass.

And of course, there are certain people who think every Asian girl is hot and incorrectly guess their ages, usually guessing 10 to 15 years younger.

[CreamFire]

Weird that CF is pushing this site.

Site looks sketchy.

Weird that you're implying I'm a booker just because I gave a negative appearance rating on everyone's favorite, Ari, and when most of my post are about asking who the best girls are. If anything, those who responded to my ari review sound like bookers or just white knights but not my job to point it out and up to the viewers to decide who to trust. Feel free to review my post history and gather evidence on what makes you think I'm possible booker. Enjoy.

[DankDonk]

Thanks for info! I know not many care for Hari, but with this new agency and bb special instead of upcharge with her, I'll be seeing her more often!

https://www.black-pearl.us/allgems

Tried to book a girl on there never recently and never got any reply. The girls ads and rates are bullshit. Probably a device to get phone numbers of mongers.

Weird that CF is pushing this site.

Site looks sketchy.

[SuelyBrah]

I don't give a shit if he trash anybody. That's the 1st amendment. Somebody else may have good experiences. But he endorses you, that she deserved not to be paid. This is wrong. That's not standing up for anything. If you find something wrong, you should put on your clothes and leave while still being charged for what you have done and what you have seen. The time you stayed implied your consent to her behavior.

If you are going to make these rules for the girls, the same can be said for the guy.

So if the girl takes the guy's money, it's a rule that she must oblige to fulfil her service, honor her menu and have reasonable attitude.

Imagine if a crime boss, like a cartel, saw a girl. She took his money and did not fulfill her end of the deal. We all know what will happen to her don't we? She be lucky to be walking out of there with a few bruises. Now don't go and say that I'm advocating for violence. I know some of these forum trolls will do that.

My case and point is this:

What's the difference between a regular client vs. An underground boss? The boss makes sure he gets what he paid for or else there's consequences. He holds a standard. He holds the line. He has the balls and muscle to do what's needed.

The rest of you just wimp out and let the girls get away with impunity. Not only that, you guys justify their action, defend it, and white knight for them. That part is what I find most despicable.

You don't have to be a boss to have standards and expectation. But whatever you do, don't go defending injustice against guys.

[GimmeMoreHead]

I don't give a shit if he trash anybody. That's the 1st amendment. Somebody else may have good experiences. But he endorses you, that she deserved not to be paid. This is wrong. That's not standing up for anything. If you find something wrong, you should put on your clothes and leave while still being charged for what you have done and what you have seen. The time you stayed implied your consent to her behavior.

There are no rules in this game. Foh with that simp shit.