Agency Discussion and Reviews

[IzziDizzi2]

Doubt it was any political pressure. My guess is that the confidental source gave agents the EASY keys to kgirl castle (for an immigration deal) and those three asshatdumbassses let them in, read the affidavit.

Search terminal, only one to be stopped and questioned. My guess of Csource. Around spring.

[Jacobs Patrick]

Doubt it was any political pressure. My guess is that the confidental source gave agents the EASY keys to kgirl castle (for an immigration deal) and those three asshatdumbassses let them in, read the affidavit.

[DrFeelGood98]

Blast from the past http://www.happytogetherva.com/.

Do you know what name she used to go by?

I asked HT if she had been in the area before but they said that this was her first time in VA. She was probably with a different booker but just can't remember where.

[LuckyLuciano00]

Why'all feel comfortable going to the remaining K-shops right now?

Even the C-orgs (jgirls) have disappeared. I haven't had any Kgirls in what feels like forever. In reality its been like 2 weeks but now I am CRAVING something.

What to do, what to do. Honestly about to pack up the car and head to NYC or Philly for the weekend to partake, but even getting a bit wary of those cities. I feel like big brother LEO is watching everyone right now, shit man.

Fucking BEG!! Imagine how smart you have to be to set up shop in the same place where BL got busted? Complete morons! BEG never appealed to me and thank God I never verified with those idiots. Thanks to those shitheads getting busted, I missed out on repeating with Nelly from BO AND got my appointment cancelled with Daphne from DS.

Anyways, I hope mongers visit the remaining K shops. It'll show them that business is back to normal and they can continue bringing in the babes. The current line up isn't my cup of tea but if they bring in somebody I like, I'll visit them in a heartbeat. Yeah, I know, I'm dying too. I miss BO. They had some nice J Girls but they'll be back. MP got busted a while back and they came back. They're just laying low for a bit. They're going to see that the K shops are back in business and they won't want to miss out.

I sound like I'm trying to reassure myself, LOL.

[MrFairfax]

Why'all feel comfortable going to the remaining K-shops right now?

Even the C-orgs (jgirls) have disappeared. I haven't had any Kgirls in what feels like forever. In reality its been like 2 weeks but now I am CRAVING something.

What to do, what to do. Honestly about to pack up the car and head to NYC or Philly for the weekend to partake, but even getting a bit wary of those cities. I feel like big brother LEO is watching everyone right now, shit man.

[JmSuttr]

MA Governor is a White Dem female, MA AG is a Black Dem female, Boston Mayor is an AsianTaiwanese Dem female, Cambridge Mayor is a MuslimPakistani Dem female. Only relevant male is the United States Attorney for the District of Massachusetts, and he took over his predecessor (another Dem female)'s role due to her abuse of power. This guy has been nominated by the Dem pro-feminist POTUS, but his nomination is still "pending before the Senate Judiciary Committee". MA's fucked up! BTW, what happened to Hana's Frenchies? Anyone?

It's certainly true that external pressures can be brought to bear in any criminal matter. But I would argue that the best way for pressure to be successful is to keep the case in question from ever seeing the light of day. With as many public disclosures (documents, press conferences, etc.) and as much media attention as we've seen in this case, it takes on a life of its own. This horse is not only out of the barn, but it's running strong and likely won't stop until it finishes the course.

Also, any politician who is viewed as trying to put their thumb on the scale, or influence / interfere in any way, is risking severe political damage and possibly political suicide. And if the acting US Attorney's nomination is still pending before the (Republican majority) Senate Judiciary Committee, then he has a vested interest in vigorously pursuing this prosecution. If that's indeed the case, then whatever the various state and local politicians want is unlikely to have much (if any) effect.

From what I've seen online, the next developments in the case are a Nov 22nd detention hearing for the two defendants arrested in MA, and the extradition process (from CA to MA) for the defendant arrested in CA. And sometime soon we should see the actual indictment. From all indications, it should happen in MA. But it could also happen in VA, which would be an interesting curveball.

[TommyDawson]

We haven't seen the actual charging document yet.

There is a criminal complaint. Which I didn't see in previous versions of the affidavit.



A Fairfax defense attorney also did a writeup on the case.

[DCHung]

Well this agency has started today with the girl bunny amidst all this pig talk.

Blast from the past http://www.happytogetherva.com/.

[DanStew]

Well this agency has started today with the girl bunny amidst all this pig talk.

[SaintPolycarp]

MA Governor is a White Dem female, MA AG is a Black Dem female, Boston Mayor is an AsianTaiwanese Dem female, Cambridge Mayor is a MuslimPakistani Dem female. Only relevant male is the United States Attorney for the District of Massachusetts, and he took over his predecessor (another Dem female)'s role due to her abuse of power. This guy has been nominated by the Dem pro-feminist POTUS, but his nomination is still "pending before the Senate Judiciary Committee". MA's fucked up! BTW, what happened to Hana's Frenchies? Anyone?

[JmSuttr]

This was in response to another member's post. Click the link if you'd like to read the entire conversation.

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post6679747

Assuming the client list has hundreds or even thousands of names and numbers (I'm not a MA local, so you guys would have a better idea), it would make sense for the feds to dump all available info into a searchable database as a first step. The next step would be to assign analysts to do a deeper dive to find more info (Elected official? Govt employee? Public figure? Prior criminal record?) and dump that into the database. After that process is completed, prosecutors will be able to query the database for certain characteristics like security clearance holders, multiple visits, large dollar amounts, etc. Higher-profile clients will probably be on a list of their own, with more specialized and individual treatment. For the average Joe-Shmoe client, a lot will depend on what group they fall into.

The search warrant affidavit says "at least the summer of 2020" as a probable starting point for the investigation. No guarantees, and it's possible that state LE has info prior to that time, but it seems reasonable to believe that will be the approximate starting point for client concern. Of course, vigorous data collection would probably not have started until later, but it's impossible to say exactly when. And it's also not possible to know what kind of client info was obtained from the search warrants. All the electronic devices will be forensically analyzed, including "deleted" files that can be recovered.

Long story short, the further back in time, and the more "average" (lacking special characteristics) the client, the lower the relative risk, IMO. Also, depending on how many names are on the list, they could even put more restrictive parameters on their search criteria, such as only visits in the last year, or something similar to that. But there are no guarantees, obviously, and the list / database will be shared with MA and VA, who will have their own criteria and parameters.

[JmSuttr]

First off, I've been reading both the VA and Boston boards and there is way too much worry going around. People are acting like this is some unique, game-changing event; it's happened multiple times in the last decade to varying degrees. Multiple agencies have gotten busted in NOVA over the past few years, it's only that this is a federal case due to the interstate aspect. You guys need to read the damn charging document. There is no evidence of prostitution, just testimony from the mongers who got flipped (it's not applicable to you). Unless the owners were secretly recording people (document doesn't allege that), then there should be no evidence of your getting your willy wet unless you were literally stupid enough to say you were paying for explicit acts. Honestly, I'm pretty sure the agency would have banned you for doing that, anyway. It just feels like there is way too much hand-wringing over this when the deed is done and there is very little evidence (in the document and from past experience) about random joes getting arrested. If you're really that scared of the police, admit your sins to your wife now so it doesn't surprise her later since that is the most likely thing to happen (and that percent is super, super low as well).

Nothing is going to change in the agency market, as well. There may be a downtime as the heat dies down, but the agencies will assuredly be back. There may be some changes to a different business model, but I'm even less convinced of that. Agencies will just work to silo their operations more, be safer with their laundering, and be more strict with screening and explicit talk.

It's also annoying to see a bunch of mongers post asking for information or about how scared they are and yet we never saw them make any reports.

We haven't seen the actual charging document yet. As I posted earlier today:

"About the search warrant affidavit, it has only one purpose, to establish probable cause to search locations and seize evidence. The actual charges for trial will be in the indictment, which hasn't yet been issued. That's the next shoe to drop and it's my guess the feds are using what they found in the searches to finalize the indictment before presenting it to a Grand Jury. That will contain the info most relevant to what a judge and jury will be asked to consider, not the SW affidavit".

As to your other points, I agree that this isn't a unique event. I also agree that, absent exceptional circumstances, individual clients are unlikely to get dragged into the criminal case. That being said, some clients may not be out of the woods with respect to possible non-criminal fallout. I posted on the Boston board about relative risks. I'll also repost in this forum since it relates to the situation in VA as well.

[IronClad999]

Most suckers will pay, then later complain about prices going up.

More worse is when they pay and tried to fake it by posting false info online about discounts, but in reality, they are actually going utr feeding them and telling diff stories online. Its totally ruining the market.

[Derilious89]

No mongers "gave up" information the feds didn't already know. There was surveillance for months, they started stopping guys to AFFIRM what they already knew, build their case.

Not to be a dick here, but everybody "knows" what's going on. Spend a couple weeks investigating and you can understand the whole game on the process works. But the affirmation is the most part; they need to have a witness to corroborate the story. So yes, mongers "gave up" information because everything before that point was an unfounded assumption (juries won't indict or convict on it). The customers are the ones who corroborate the story and then, worse yet, gave them text messages to reinforce their own corroboration.

All this "well they have to catch you right in the middle of sex and then prove you paid by recording or witnessing the exchange of money" is bulljunk, as Prime would say. I have a good friend in Chicago who was arrested and jailed in a sting for simply stopping and asking a girl (undercover) "how much for half and half"? Done. Cost him tens of thousands to get out of conviction and have his record expunged.

I think your friend is downplaying what he said or did to save face. But if he's being honesty, and no offense to your friend, he's a moron. Don't mention money and you don't get hit with solicitation; it's a simple concept and one of the few ways you can easily get arrested. If a girl propositions you for sex, you should never, ever say "how much?" Dude buried himself and it's why everyone says to not be stupid over text. IMO, don't give an example of someone being stupid and literally engaging in open solicitation of a crime as a example to prove that the cops will get you. They need hard evidence or strong intent; your friend gave undisputed intent. Paying a girl to go to a room to hang out is neither hard evidence or strong intent. This has been proven time and time again in court.

[RedRocks1968]

I'm not here to be a dick but it's obvious most commenting about the legal risks have not A) read the public affidavit and B) do not even have a basic understanding of the legal system in these matters. No mongers "gave up" information the feds didn't already know. There was surveillance for months, they started stopping guys to AFFIRM what they already knew, build their case. If you read it and you've been in this game for any time you also realize how inept LE can be. For instance surmising that when they see some old man locking the door from the outside means these woman are trafficked against their will. Also this was called "high end escort service". Compared to what? Streetwalkers? There are escorts who rightfully charge $1500-$3,000 an hour. The girls of BO and BTT hardly rank in that category. If you have given them your info, and paid for sex with one of their girls during the times (read) of their operation, you should be worried. It's unlikely, but just think this through. You are at risk. This hobby is risky. End of story. Anyone speculating about what will happen is guessing unless they are sitting in on the conversations the state attorneys might be having over what to do. They have many options and none of us know the end game here. The idea they would just "out" a customer and that media is "starving for these stories" is again, just guess work. It is not likely you will end up in the news, but you could have trouble if you went to this place of known prostitution (they have enough evidence for a case on this) you could be in trouble. Any lawyer would tell you the same. All this "well they have to catch you right in the middle of sex and then prove you paid by recording or witnessing the exchange of money" is bulljunk, as Prime would say. I have a good friend in Chicago who was arrested and jailed in a sting for simply stopping and asking a girl (undercover) "how much for half and half"? Done. Cost him tens of thousands to get out of conviction and have his record expunged. Not trying to worry anyone but you could be at risk if you went there during their operation. No one but the state attorneys managing the case knows what comes next.