Agency Discussion and Reviews

**JmSuttr** · 11-17-23 11:54

Originally Posted by TommyDawson [View Original Post]

There is a criminal complaint. Which I didn't see in previous versions of the affidavit. A Fairfax defense attorney also did a writeup on the case.

So far most of the legal action has happening in MA. With the intense media focus on this case, there should be something in news reports if a criminal complaint has been filed. Of course, the initial arrests would have been supported by a criminal complaint, so maybe that's what the Fairfax atty is talking about. And, if that's the case, those complaints would contain info substantially similar to what's in the search warrant affidavit.

But that won't be the final charging document, rather it's a placeholder until the actual indictment is handed down. And I continue to think that what's currently happening is that the evidence obtained in the searches is being evaluated to produce the strongest possible indictment. And, even once the initial indictment is handed down, that isn't necessarily the final word. The prosecution can file superseding indictments if they find more evidence.

Edit: I just went back and scanned thru the publicly released affidavit and it appears to my non-lawyer eye that the same document was used to support both the arrests and the search.

**DMV Average Joe** · 11-17-23 11:21

Originally Posted by IronClad999 [View Original Post]

Anyone want to test this chick? LOL.

Met her back in Dec 18' when HT was in that popular Mosaic building.

Skinny / slender / sexy MILF with great attitude and performance.

I might repeat if find time!

**IronClad999** · 11-17-23 11:04

Originally Posted by DCHung [View Original Post]

Blast from the past http://www.happytogetherva.com/.

Anyone want to test this chick? LOL.

**IzziDizzi2** · 11-17-23 10:39

Originally Posted by JacobsPatrick [View Original Post]

Doubt it was any political pressure. My guess is that the confidental source gave agents the EASY keys to kgirl castle (for an immigration deal) and those three asshatdumbassses let them in, read the affidavit.

Search terminal, only one to be stopped and questioned. My guess of Csource. Around spring.

**Jacobs Patrick** · 11-17-23 10:10

Doubt it was any political pressure. My guess is that the confidental source gave agents the EASY keys to kgirl castle (for an immigration deal) and those three asshatdumbassses let them in, read the affidavit.

**DrFeelGood98** · 11-17-23 09:12

Originally Posted by DCHung [View Original Post]

Blast from the past http://www.happytogetherva.com/.

Do you know what name she used to go by?

I asked HT if she had been in the area before but they said that this was her first time in VA. She was probably with a different booker but just can't remember where.

**LuckyLuciano00** · 11-16-23 23:48

Originally Posted by MrFairfax [View Original Post]

Why'all feel comfortable going to the remaining K-shops right now?

Even the C-orgs (jgirls) have disappeared. I haven't had any Kgirls in what feels like forever. In reality its been like 2 weeks but now I am CRAVING something.

What to do, what to do. Honestly about to pack up the car and head to NYC or Philly for the weekend to partake, but even getting a bit wary of those cities. I feel like big brother LEO is watching everyone right now, shit man.

Fucking BEG!! Imagine how smart you have to be to set up shop in the same place where BL got busted? Complete morons! BEG never appealed to me and thank God I never verified with those idiots. Thanks to those shitheads getting busted, I missed out on repeating with Nelly from BO AND got my appointment cancelled with Daphne from DS.

Anyways, I hope mongers visit the remaining K shops. It'll show them that business is back to normal and they can continue bringing in the babes. The current line up isn't my cup of tea but if they bring in somebody I like, I'll visit them in a heartbeat. Yeah, I know, I'm dying too. I miss BO. They had some nice J Girls but they'll be back. MP got busted a while back and they came back. They're just laying low for a bit. They're going to see that the K shops are back in business and they won't want to miss out.

I sound like I'm trying to reassure myself, LOL.

**MrFairfax** · 11-16-23 22:58

Why'all feel comfortable going to the remaining K-shops right now?

Even the C-orgs (jgirls) have disappeared. I haven't had any Kgirls in what feels like forever. In reality its been like 2 weeks but now I am CRAVING something.

What to do, what to do. Honestly about to pack up the car and head to NYC or Philly for the weekend to partake, but even getting a bit wary of those cities. I feel like big brother LEO is watching everyone right now, shit man.

**JmSuttr** · 11-16-23 20:26

Originally Posted by SaintPolycarp [View Original Post]

MA Governor is a White Dem female, MA AG is a Black Dem female, Boston Mayor is an AsianTaiwanese Dem female, Cambridge Mayor is a MuslimPakistani Dem female. Only relevant male is the United States Attorney for the District of Massachusetts, and he took over his predecessor (another Dem female)'s role due to her abuse of power. This guy has been nominated by the Dem pro-feminist POTUS, but his nomination is still "pending before the Senate Judiciary Committee". MA's fucked up! BTW, what happened to Hana's Frenchies? Anyone?

It's certainly true that external pressures can be brought to bear in any criminal matter. But I would argue that the best way for pressure to be successful is to keep the case in question from ever seeing the light of day. With as many public disclosures (documents, press conferences, etc.) and as much media attention as we've seen in this case, it takes on a life of its own. This horse is not only out of the barn, but it's running strong and likely won't stop until it finishes the course.

Also, any politician who is viewed as trying to put their thumb on the scale, or influence / interfere in any way, is risking severe political damage and possibly political suicide. And if the acting US Attorney's nomination is still pending before the (Republican majority) Senate Judiciary Committee, then he has a vested interest in vigorously pursuing this prosecution. If that's indeed the case, then whatever the various state and local politicians want is unlikely to have much (if any) effect.

From what I've seen online, the next developments in the case are a Nov 22nd detention hearing for the two defendants arrested in MA, and the extradition process (from CA to MA) for the defendant arrested in CA. And sometime soon we should see the actual indictment. From all indications, it should happen in MA. But it could also happen in VA, which would be an interesting curveball.

**TommyDawson** · 11-16-23 20:05

Originally Posted by JmSuttr [View Original Post]

We haven't seen the actual charging document yet.

There is a criminal complaint. Which I didn't see in previous versions of the affidavit.

A Fairfax defense attorney also did a writeup on the case.

**DCHung** · 11-16-23 19:08

Originally Posted by DanStew [View Original Post]

Well this agency has started today with the girl bunny amidst all this pig talk.

Blast from the past http://www.happytogetherva.com/.

**DanStew** · 11-16-23 17:51

Well this agency has started today with the girl bunny amidst all this pig talk.

**SaintPolycarp** · 11-16-23 09:56

MA Governor is a White Dem female, MA AG is a Black Dem female, Boston Mayor is an AsianTaiwanese Dem female, Cambridge Mayor is a MuslimPakistani Dem female. Only relevant male is the United States Attorney for the District of Massachusetts, and he took over his predecessor (another Dem female)'s role due to her abuse of power. This guy has been nominated by the Dem pro-feminist POTUS, but his nomination is still "pending before the Senate Judiciary Committee". MA's fucked up! BTW, what happened to Hana's Frenchies? Anyone?

**JmSuttr** · 11-15-23 23:30

This was in response to another member's post. Click the link if you'd like to read the entire conversation.

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post6679747

Assuming the client list has hundreds or even thousands of names and numbers (I'm not a MA local, so you guys would have a better idea), it would make sense for the feds to dump all available info into a searchable database as a first step. The next step would be to assign analysts to do a deeper dive to find more info (Elected official? Govt employee? Public figure? Prior criminal record?) and dump that into the database. After that process is completed, prosecutors will be able to query the database for certain characteristics like security clearance holders, multiple visits, large dollar amounts, etc. Higher-profile clients will probably be on a list of their own, with more specialized and individual treatment. For the average Joe-Shmoe client, a lot will depend on what group they fall into.

The search warrant affidavit says "at least the summer of 2020" as a probable starting point for the investigation. No guarantees, and it's possible that state LE has info prior to that time, but it seems reasonable to believe that will be the approximate starting point for client concern. Of course, vigorous data collection would probably not have started until later, but it's impossible to say exactly when. And it's also not possible to know what kind of client info was obtained from the search warrants. All the electronic devices will be forensically analyzed, including "deleted" files that can be recovered.

Long story short, the further back in time, and the more "average" (lacking special characteristics) the client, the lower the relative risk, IMO. Also, depending on how many names are on the list, they could even put more restrictive parameters on their search criteria, such as only visits in the last year, or something similar to that. But there are no guarantees, obviously, and the list / database will be shared with MA and VA, who will have their own criteria and parameters.

**JmSuttr** · 11-15-23 23:18

Originally Posted by Derilious89 [View Original Post]

First off, I've been reading both the VA and Boston boards and there is way too much worry going around. People are acting like this is some unique, game-changing event; it's happened multiple times in the last decade to varying degrees. Multiple agencies have gotten busted in NOVA over the past few years, it's only that this is a federal case due to the interstate aspect. You guys need to read the damn charging document. There is no evidence of prostitution, just testimony from the mongers who got flipped (it's not applicable to you). Unless the owners were secretly recording people (document doesn't allege that), then there should be no evidence of your getting your willy wet unless you were literally stupid enough to say you were paying for explicit acts. Honestly, I'm pretty sure the agency would have banned you for doing that, anyway. It just feels like there is way too much hand-wringing over this when the deed is done and there is very little evidence (in the document and from past experience) about random joes getting arrested. If you're really that scared of the police, admit your sins to your wife now so it doesn't surprise her later since that is the most likely thing to happen (and that percent is super, super low as well).

Nothing is going to change in the agency market, as well. There may be a downtime as the heat dies down, but the agencies will assuredly be back. There may be some changes to a different business model, but I'm even less convinced of that. Agencies will just work to silo their operations more, be safer with their laundering, and be more strict with screening and explicit talk.

It's also annoying to see a bunch of mongers post asking for information or about how scared they are and yet we never saw them make any reports.

We haven't seen the actual charging document yet. As I posted earlier today:

"About the search warrant affidavit, it has only one purpose, to establish probable cause to search locations and seize evidence. The actual charges for trial will be in the indictment, which hasn't yet been issued. That's the next shoe to drop and it's my guess the feds are using what they found in the searches to finalize the indictment before presenting it to a Grand Jury. That will contain the info most relevant to what a judge and jury will be asked to consider, not the SW affidavit".

As to your other points, I agree that this isn't a unique event. I also agree that, absent exceptional circumstances, individual clients are unlikely to get dragged into the criminal case. That being said, some clients may not be out of the woods with respect to possible non-criminal fallout. I posted on the Boston board about relative risks. I'll also repost in this forum since it relates to the situation in VA as well.