"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[FarFarAway]

What I find is a lot of girls asking for $1 k, fully knowing they won't get it, but it is all part of their (poorly conceived) strategy to brand themselves, create a perception of value of their pussy versus the competition, and weed out guys who aren't even going to be able to consistently afford a 200-400 meet plus a hotel.

Figuring out the other, non-monetary things they want or need and providing a sense of "I can be that guy" can quickly reduce that GPS to a reasonable range more times than not.

Yes, agreed. I think there is also a sense that if they start there, it puts them as far away as possible from a straight escort. I don't particularly want to start a discussion / flame war on those definitions, just pointing out that there are a lot of girls on SA who want to keep that distinction clear (in their minds). And often put that in their profiles. I personally don't have a problem w / that attitude, I am not looking for a pro either, ideally I'd like to see someone for a while at least. And I've most often in those situations been exclusive.

[OliverNP]

In my impression, those who are asking for that, they are really looking for a situation where they are a kept woman. Set up in an apartment, etc. It is such a minority of the guys on SA who could do this, they will wait a long time. You first have to have the bucks to afford it, and then either be single and want to stay that way, or have a SO who doesn't care what you do, or who is so clueless you can hide those sorts of expenses from.

I could certainly afford blowing (good term!) that much on a date. It is hard to hide that large an expense.

What I find is a lot of girls asking for $1 k, fully knowing they won't get it, but it is all part of their (poorly conceived) strategy to brand themselves, create a perception of value of their pussy versus the competition, and weed out guys who aren't even going to be able to consistently afford a 200-400 meet plus a hotel.

Figuring out the other, non-monetary things they want or need and providing a sense of "I can be that guy" can quickly reduce that GPS to a reasonable range more times than not.

Biggest problem is that sometimes what they want is an ongoing legit relationship, and that problem has only grown since the pandemic. Between the BF / husband seekers and the OF girls, the scene isn't what it used to be.

[Atlvoy]

Mentioned earlier this week about wild prices and asked if I was doing anything wrong. Lot of ya'll were right. Negotiation and not simping is definitely key, as well as being attractive LOL. There are still girls asking a minimum 500+ which I've find to be a gamble not in a monetary sense but in a performance sense because all the fucks that have been great this past week have been girls who wanted anywhere from 200-300. Also anyone else have any experience with girls not wanting to show their recent tests?

If any one of ya'll have any asian girls to recommend off SA, please dm me!

[FarFarAway]

I would say $300 max and it has to be uncovered. Usually when girls want more than $300 the sex is horrible b / c they are pros. Hard pass.

Others have observed here over time that giving a SB too much is counterproductive. It reduces their interest in the experience, in favor of the cash.

Famous joke:

Guy in a bar, to a girl: Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?

Girl: I guess so.

Guy: Would you sleep with me for $100.

Girl: NO! What kind of a girl do you think I am?

Guy: We've already established that. We're just haggling about price.

Truly, if I had to give a girl a kilobuck to bang me, my sorry ass should just give up. She wouldn't be doing it for anything other than the dough, right? Exactly the opposite of the situation I want, and the reason I don't go to pros. I want a girl to be into having a good time in the FC, and the $ is the way that it makes sense for her when I am 60+ and she is 22.

[Gatsby32]

You pay for it. She's a pro. Stop fooling yourself.

I would say $300 max and it has to be uncovered. Usually when girls want more than $300 the sex is horrible b / c they are pros. Hard pass.

[LouisHernandez]

I would hope all of us can agree on this. Because it's true!

I would say $300 max and it has to be uncovered. Usually when girls want more than $300 the sex is horrible b / c they are pros. Hard pass.

[AmpFanatl]

I would hope all of us can agree on this. Because it's true!

Statement of the year.

[FarFarAway]

I would hope all of us can agree on this. Because it's true!

In my impression, those who are asking for that, they are really looking for a situation where they are a kept woman. Set up in an apartment, etc. It is such a minority of the guys on SA who could do this, they will wait a long time. You first have to have the bucks to afford it, and then either be single and want to stay that way, or have a SO who doesn't care what you do, or who is so clueless you can hide those sorts of expenses from.

I could certainly afford blowing (good term!) that much on a date. It is hard to hide that large an expense.

[MariettaJoe]

BeautifulCharmer, reviewed here before using the profile https://members.seeking.com/member/d...b-aa6eb1d4305c is now back as FunCutie at https://members.seeking.com/member/6...-ce29049faf7d..

Still can't host, wanted $$. 5 to $$$ and you have to pick her up.

[Wleakr]

No girl is worth $1k for a single fuck.

I would hope all of us can agree on this. Because it's true!

[FarFarAway]

You would lose that wager, because you do fail to understand the obvious about what a "simp" even is. It's not a rich guy who pays women to go to dinner....not even close. I'm not going to waste the time explaining it to you, because again, it is a fairly conventional and widely understood term, by everyone else. You live in a world in which simps do not exist, which is a fantasy world. I was speaking about reality, not fantasy.

Seriously, if there is a definition you use, beyond guys who pay girls an insane amount of money to do nothing, go for it. And as I said, the only place IK of where such a guy exists is in the mind of a crazed POT. I met a girl in Vegas a while back, she claimed she spent time w / an asian guy at something like a kilobuck or two per time, and all he really wanted was for her to hang around while he did drugs. I have no idea what she thought saying this would do in our negotiations, but for sure I didn't take it into account.

[OliverNP]

You just directly contradicted yourself.

Where exactly are you hoping to find a contradiction? To address the part I believe you're talking about, I said:

"knowing how to say the right things can get those $1 k girls down to the cost of dinner fairly regularly. "

Then later said:

"There are certainly some who are just high priced escorts and their GPS is not really up for negotiation, but when I sense that type I move on quickly. "

So unless someone is hoping to read something into it that meets their own agenda, it simply means that I fairly regularly get $1 k want to-be girls for cheap, but I am acknowledging that there are some girls out there who aren't worth trying to change.

There's nothing contradictory about that.

If you meant the part where I said "there is not really such a thing as a $1 k girl (referring to SBs, not escorts) at all"... I stand by it. They are not $1k girls, they all just think they are. It might be somewhat correct to say that they do become $1k girls temporarily, for the fleeting moment hour two that some idiot is in such sad shape that he's desperate enough to pay that. But that does not mean their true market value is $1k. No girl is worth $1k for a single fuck.

[OliverNP]

How much on average are you shelling out to vet on a dinner? $150-200? How often? 2-4 time per month?

Unless majority are keepers worthy of being added to your stable, that can be quite a bit of money to serve as a loss leader.

Maybe $165 on average, but it's usually only for the M&G, and since more than half the food and drink cost is for my own consumption (and I like good food), it has almost never turned out to be a bad investment.

[Peter Johnson]

Second, one should understand that there is not really such a thing as a $1 k girl at all. That is just the price she quotes to someone she didn't really want to fuck in the first place.

There are certainly some who are just high priced escorts and their GPS is not really up for negotiation

You just directly contradicted yourself. And of course there are sugarbabies who won't take less than $1 k. Not a high % of them, but of course they do exist. And no, they aren't all "high priced escorts". I hate to be so argumentative , but just have to call out some of the absurd claims being made here.

Anyway, there are certainly girls out of my price range, and a few of them certainly do get $1 k....and a few of those even deserve it. And there are guys who drive $2 million cars and that's fine too. I don't have to be in denial about any of that to be able to sleep at night, and still find some fun on Seeking.

[Peter Johnson]

I also fail to understand the persistence of the 'simp' meme. What do any of those posting about them know, for a fact, 'they' are doing? A significant factor I would wager on the persistence of this trope is envy of guys who do happen to have a lot of dough

You would lose that wager, because you do fail to understand the obvious about what a "simp" even is. It's not a rich guy who pays women to go to dinner....not even close. I'm not going to waste the time explaining it to you, because again, it is a fairly conventional and widely understood term, by everyone else. You live in a world in which simps do not exist, which is a fantasy world. I was speaking about reality, not fantasy.