"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

**MacLuvin** · 03-24-23 11:01

These girls still have serious GPS. They all throw out $600 to meet. None of them can host, and half of them say they don't have a car and need me to Uber them on top of that. It's gone down hill for sure. I just cancelled my membership again. Active for 2 months this go around and dozens of numbers, but not a single actual meet because these girls all think they're worth $600-1 k.

I agree, years ago it was a night and day difference. Two years ago I had a rotation of girls from there I'd see. Now, nothing. My approach hasn't changed, these girls have.

**Apollo007** · 03-24-23 10:42

https://members.seeking.com/member/2...5-5b7b485d63b5

**Airmantroy** · 03-24-23 09:46

Originally Posted by LouisHernandez [View Original Post]

Maybe for every 5 messaging convos I get 1 phone number. It's definitely 10 phone numbers or MORE that convert to 1 M&G.

The standard conversion of phone number to M&G is 5-10% and that is for certain. Lately 2-3 M&Gs = a Fvck. It's bad. 5 years ago, it was a whole different game. I long since gave up on SA b / c of these metrics. There are better sites out there for sugaring, but they all are tough.

SA is a total dead POS. It was the bomb 5 years ago, now it's just another time wasting scam site. The girls are horrible on there too.

On a whim, I re-upped my premium on Monday. I had several old stale messages that were of no use as they cycled thru. Since Monday I have sent 11 messages, gotten 9 replies and 7 numbers to text. 1 had GPS and is a semi-pro, 1 has been reviewed here a while back and scheduling with her was simple as 2 texts. 2 others have never been mentioned and M&G are set with both next week.

Something about the type of girl you are contacting or your initial approach is.

**LouisHernandez** · 03-24-23 01:17

Originally Posted by CuriousVaMan [View Original Post]

Louis, You're saying you get 1 fuck out of every 1500 women you message? This can't be right.

Maybe for every 5 messaging convos I get 1 phone number. It's definitely 10 phone numbers or MORE that convert to 1 M&G.

The standard conversion of phone number to M&G is 5-10% and that is for certain. Lately 2-3 M&Gs = a Fvck. It's bad. 5 years ago, it was a whole different game. I long since gave up on SA b / c of these metrics. There are better sites out there for sugaring, but they all are tough.

SA is a total dead POS. It was the bomb 5 years ago, now it's just another time wasting scam site. The girls are horrible on there too.

**CuriousVaMan** · 03-24-23 00:08

Louis, You're saying you get 1 fuck out of every 1500 women you message? This can't be right.

Originally Posted by LouisHernandez [View Original Post]

+1. I've done some rough math overall and here's what I've come up with.

5 girls messaged = 1 reply.

10 replies = 1 phone number.

10 phone numbers = 1 M&G.

3 M&Gs = 1 Fvck.

YMMV.

And don't message any girls that aren't local and who don't post UNFILTERED full body pictures. Beware of girls who post filtered pics. They are doing it to hide something. You must be efficient with your time here.

Finally don't simp. The hotter the girl the less compliments you should give her. Game matters. It's human nature to want someone who challenges you.

**LouisHernandez** · 03-23-23 23:33

Originally Posted by BobeSugar [View Original Post]

I tried SA. First of all, it takes a lot of effort to meet someone. Most girls are just scammers. I met few and things went well, but takes a lot of time and luck. I haven't used it for over 2 years now. I had a relationship that lasted 4 months, but it's rare. Don't be too generous, then they will assume that you're a sucker. Never, ever give your personal information. Make up a story about yourself. Always meet in public places and then go to private places. Don't believe anything they say because it's 100% bs.

+1. I've done some rough math overall and here's what I've come up with.

5 girls messaged = 1 reply.

10 replies = 1 phone number.

10 phone numbers = 1 M&G.

3 M&Gs = 1 Fvck.

YMMV.

And don't message any girls that aren't local and who don't post UNFILTERED full body pictures. Beware of girls who post filtered pics. They are doing it to hide something. You must be efficient with your time here.

Finally don't simp. The hotter the girl the less compliments you should give her. Game matters. It's human nature to want someone who challenges you.

**LouisHernandez** · 03-23-23 22:51

If money is brought up before we get naked, I'm out. That's just a prostitute. It's a line I won't cross. The lay will suck, she'll probably require covered parking, all of which are deal breakers if I'm paying money. I don't mind pulling out but I would prefer not even doing that anymore being 47. I don't care anymore, someday I won't be able to even get it up so I want the full experience. Just 5 years ago I'd called myself crazy. Not anymore. The clock is ticking.

Originally Posted by Red1992 [View Original Post]

Chatted with this one and was looking for $6 ppm and is not able to host.

A bit out of my budget.

https://members.seeking.com/member/4...3-e403608b2936

**LoVecchio** · 03-23-23 20:33

Originally Posted by BumbaCloth [View Original Post]

Any info on her?

https://members.seeking.com/member/8...d-e9a1ef64b9b3

See Post #12120.

**Sgt Soros** · 03-23-23 19:00

Originally Posted by NewAnonymousName [View Original Post]

That's lucky that she didn't just grab the whole wallet. The grab and go while you're in the bathroom move happens a lot in Vegas with casino girls. Your post is a good reminder to all of us to never leave your wallet unattended around a SB, especially those of you with privacy concerns. Nothing good can come from a thief having your ID.

There are always three sides to a story, his side, her side and some story in between. For me to believe his story, I need more details. For instance did the bathroom have an opening to the outside? Highly unusual, if it did. His story just does not add up and being his first post, I'm highly suspicious.

**TooHotForYou** · 03-23-23 14:53

Originally Posted by VSlayer [View Original Post]

We had a good time. She's kissing and starts with a BJ. Asked for allowance and I gave it to her and then she was like wash up so I went into the bathroom to wash up, she must've hit my wallet then. Then I get into the bed, she now goes to the bathroom and then left the room. By the time I got dressed she was out. She took my cash, at least she left all my other shit. Def I let it go but damn I never let anything like that happen to me before.

Are you saying she went to the bathroom in the room then left the room? Or are you saying she went to the bathroom and then left the room when in the bathroom?

**BobeSugar** · 03-23-23 09:56

Originally Posted by Hal1957 [View Original Post]

You didn't mention, was the thief the same girl in the photo? It takes a minute, but post a screenshot of the profile photo, especially when it's more than just a scam. These chicks change profile names like snake skins, but often use the same photos. This helps everyone track them from one alias to another.

Damn dude, this girl is hot. If someone seems too good to be true, then she probably is.

Most important thing is that you're healthy and safe. I always hide my wallet under the mattress or just put it in my car. You can never trust these girls. As someone else mentioned, casino girls in Vegas use this trick. I guess she is one of them because this girl looks like a pro. She looks like a dancer from cheetah. We live and learn from our mistakes.

**NewAnonymousName** · 03-23-23 08:54

Originally Posted by VSlayer [View Original Post]

We had a good time. She's kissing and starts with a BJ. Asked for allowance and I gave it to her and then she was like wash up so I went into the bathroom to wash up, she must've hit my wallet then. Then I get into the bed, she now goes to the bathroom and then left the room. By the time I got dressed she was out. She took my cash, at least she left all my other shit. Def I let it go but damn I never let anything like that happen to me before.

That's lucky that she didn't just grab the whole wallet. The grab and go while you're in the bathroom move happens a lot in Vegas with casino girls. Your post is a good reminder to all of us to never leave your wallet unattended around a SB, especially those of you with privacy concerns. Nothing good can come from a thief having your ID.

**Hal1957** · 03-22-23 21:53

You didn't mention, was the thief the same girl in the photo? It takes a minute, but post a screenshot of the profile photo, especially when it's more than just a scam. These chicks change profile names like snake skins, but often use the same photos. This helps everyone track them from one alias to another.

Originally Posted by VSlayer [View Original Post]

Met this one up at a bar, took her back to room and she robbed me. And bounced with no shoes. Got me good.

https://members.seeking.com/member/e...c-7a4e9417a024

**Hal1957** · 03-22-23 21:40

That's the best advice I can think of. Establish goals and boundaries so you know when to say NO.

I've used SA twice in the past four years. I focus on 25-40 single moms and have mostly positive experiences. I live alone, so I'm not as concerned about anonymity as many of you. After sifting through numerous potentials, I set up a m / g with a 28 why / o single mom. We clicked and she spent her weekends at my place for the next year. She never asked for anything specific so I fixed problems, paid some overdue utility bills, fronted her the deposit to move to a better home and replaced her car after she totaled it.

The second time out I sampled half a dozen potentials and settled on a 42 why / o single mom. We've been together two and a half years. Same arrangement, fix problems. I've avoided the scams and never been threatened.

Read and read and read SA forums in cities within 100 miles of the place you plan to sugar to find out what the bowl is like in your area, especially the scams. Anything that sounds too good to be true is probably a scam. Never argue with an SB, there is too much spiteful reporting going on. Just block and move on.

Originally Posted by Loop285 [View Original Post]

Looking to transition from Eros, LC and Strippers to SA. I don't like listcrawler because a majority of chicks have bad hygiene, drug problems, pimps, catfishes, and bad attitudes. Eros isn't bad but the women are robotic a majority of the times and I sense many don't like what they do. I have a great rotation of strippers I see otc, but it can be a lot of work at times to get an outside of the club thing going.

Any do's or don't s before I start?

**VSlayer** · 03-22-23 20:17

Originally Posted by Airmantroy [View Original Post]

So was she alone or had someone waiting for her? Weapon? Stupid stuff happens to us all, but some details would be nice.

We had a good time. She's kissing and starts with a BJ. Asked for allowance and I gave it to her and then she was like wash up so I went into the bathroom to wash up, she must've hit my wallet then. Then I get into the bed, she now goes to the bathroom and then left the room. By the time I got dressed she was out. She took my cash, at least she left all my other shit. Def I let it go but damn I never let anything like that happen to me before.