"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

**SonOfABeach** · 03-06-23 13:34

Whenever I click one of the links to a profile, it says that I'm blocked or I blocked them. How do I fix this issue?

**PrinceOfFools** · 03-06-23 05:51

Originally Posted by PeterJohnson [View Original Post]

Ok, so you say that paying for the prepaid card with cash is the exact same level of anonymity as paying with a credit card in your name. We will agree to disagree about that.

That's the thing. Neither is reasonably anonymous and it's theater to think it is, but of the activities that go into the hobby it's probably the most difficult to unmask due to protections around financial information so I have less concern about it than other things like phone numbers. If you're at the point of a warrant getting that kind of financial information, you have already fucked up so much that someone is going over your life with a fine-toothed comb with the power to subpoena information and you're doomed. Credit card companies do not get a receipt of what you bought, they get the total cost and location of the transaction. The store you bought the prepaid / gift card at keeps track of inventory and when something was bought. So the store knows something was bought and when it was bought, and if they want to they will find out it was you with their additional information like cameras. I haven't done the prepaid thing for a bit since I've been out of the hobby until recently for a couple years, but I regularly buy gift cards online as friends / family gifts at Christmas / etc to help cover for when I do decide to pick it up again. It's invisible activity, those cards cannot be tracked at all prior to activation so it doesn't matter how you pay for them as they're not tied to you and can't be. At best the vendor can say you bought *a* card, but can't prove it was *the* card. If the card can't be tracked, why does the payment method matter? There's a reason scammers use these for fraud like getting people to purchase them and send them the codes to cover something like supposedly unpaid taxes, it's a federal crime yet it's a constant scam that's never punished because it requires the scammer to fuck up to even start to provide enough information to find them. It's just another regular purchase that will never stand out even if scrutinized, just like buying groceries or gas with a credit card. If you want to use cash that's cool, it's just not doing a lot for you and I enjoy that cashback on my otherwise safe purchase.

You are going off on a tangent, but yes I do have one. And it is not tied to my real name, phone number, or address. Same with Kroger card. I also don't give any business my phone number unless they absolutely need to have it....because there's usually no good reason to do so, and plenty of downside.

Not a tangent at all, you brought up buying in a grocery store and privacy so it's relevant. Companies build profiles with this kind of data and consider it extremely valuable. The profiles built for this don't need your real info to eventually figure out enough about you to be identifiable unfortunately. Ever pay with a credit card using those grocery member numbers, even just once, or let someone else use the number like a friend or SO? Just like social media building ghost profiles for real people that aren't on the platform using 3rd party info like friends pictures (using facial rec to match you across pictures) and contact lists, with enough information that 'random info' grocery rewards card can be tied to you. Scary stuff, especially when it's sold to anyone who wants / can afford it.

Yes, with a hat and mask on.

https://live.staticflickr.com/3449/4...e9287678_z.jpg This you?

Google gait analysis and realize how this isn't really effective. Commercial security software from companies like Genetec or Verint includes this now and has a bunch of machine learning running constantly in the background to crunch the data, I see it at work daily. They don't need to see your face or body anyway, your car is in the parking lot and gets picked up by ALPRs in many public locations. Pick up your car near the parking lot with a ALPR, see it on the security footage, see who steps out of the car after it parks. You. Combine that with location data from your phone and you are very easy to track if you have access to the relevant information. You drive by several ALPRs on a daily basis in the ATL metro area and 'burbs probably without realizing it, there's 3 within 2 miles of my house that I've noticed so far. It's far easier to track your car and your phone than you personally and more reliable, gait / facial recognition is good but not perfect and can be fooled or unreliable with bad quality footage. ALPRs pretty much eliminate any semblance of anonymity if you drive your own car, it's ridiculous they exist in the commercial space.

I never said I was 100% anonymous at all times. You are saying none of it matters, because no one can have 100% perfect privacy at all times. Again, I disagree.

Some of us take some very easy steps to increase level of privacy, and some of us do not. But to suggest it is impossible to do so is transparently foolish and absurd.

Privacy matters a massive amount and I consider it constantly, most people just don't understand what is actually going on. It's extremely difficult to actually manage it effectively and it's easy to slip up while being overconfident you're 'invisible', especially due to tech you don't even know exists. An example would be DNA analysis using relatives as a reference. People committed crimes with no evidence except DNA left behind 50 years ago and never got DNA logged in a searchable database for any other reason, now their first cousin sends a swab with spit to 23 andMe and the person ends up arrested because companies feed that data straight to the gov. How the fuck do you plan around things like that you don't even know exist? The more corporations sell their information to Gov the worse it's going to get too. Why get a warrant when AT&T will sell your location data to the police and avoid that pesky 4th amendment? Some real fascist stuff where both corps and gov work together to fuck you over currently. Another great example I ran into recently. Go plug your real phone number (or someone you know) into USPhonebook dot com and see what amount of information pops up that is completely irrelevant to the phone number, like where you live and who your relatives are. You certainly didn't give that info to the phone company, they've aggregated a bunch of information from brokers to provide that for free to anyone that types the number in. Companies like corelogic just ingest information about private people and spit it out to anyone who pays.

You can do reasonable things to safeguard your privacy from individuals, but truly hiding from corps or gov without making massive alterations to your lifestyle is very difficult. I accept that some information is captured by others and work on what I think is reasonable and worth spending time on to obfuscate. Like my employer, they have the legal info required to employ me but things like my address, phone number, etc are all not directly tied to me. I use a UPS box for my address (technically easily tied to me, but it hides my physical address from anyone I provide it to which is its purpose. Most people don't realize it's not a physical address since it looks like an Apt #) and they have a google voice number for my personal phone number. I did this after my manager at one job decided to come to my house one day to see why I wasn't in yet. He pulled my personal info from the HR system without permission and did not get in trouble for it when I reported it. My next employer got a PO box and I've used that for other things like shipping internet stuff ever since.

I break it down into 3 categories. People that can learn enough to do me harm if they want to (sugar babies, assholes on the internet, etc), The State which can already find me if given enough reason to do so, and corporations that abuse my information and sell to the other two. You're never hiding from The State if they want you, the best you can do is not provide other people information they can provide The State to help locate you. You can obfuscate a ton of information from corps, but they're pretty good about building a composite of people with 3rd party information that is then resold for profit if they're in that business or gets leaked due to bad actors. This is probably your biggest danger.

For people that could harm me like sugar babies, they're never going to be able to locate things like 'how did I buy my seeking payment method' or 'who owns this phone number that's on a tracphone' or 'track the location of someone using this phone number' as that's beyond them and would require additional information they don't have anyway. They need 'first level' information that implicitly identifies you because that's the information's job, like your drivers license or the name on a credit card. To use 'second level' information, like a VIN / tag number, they need to go through The State or some corporation and usually need reason to do so. There's a 0% chance I'm knocking up one of these girls and I give them no other legit reason to go to big daddy government, so info like my VIN / tag number can't really be used even if they had it. The infamous 'someone at the DMV can look you up' bit is a federal crime (DPPA, was part of the '94 Violent Crime bill) with some nasty penalties attached so no one's doing that for pocket change and access is logged for years afterwards.

**NewAnonymousName** · 03-06-23 00:27

Originally Posted by PeterJohnson [View Original Post]

Ok, so you say that paying for the prepaid card with cash is the exact same level of anonymity as paying with a credit card in your name. We will agree to disagree about that.

You are going off on a tangent, but yes I do have one. And it is not tied to my real name, phone number, or address. Same with Kroger card. I also don't give any business my phone number unless they absolutely need to have it....because there's usually no good reason to do so, and plenty of downside.

Yes, with a hat and mask on.

I never said I was 100% anonymous at all times. You are saying none of it matters, because no one can have 100% perfect privacy at all times. Again, I disagree.

Some of us take some very easy steps to increase level of privacy, and some of us do not. But to suggest it is impossible to do so is transparently foolish and absurd.

I'm with you. Adult friend finder was hacked and many members' names and email addresses were published online for anyone to see. So to register for Seeking, I take the relatively simple steps of buying gift cards, registering them under a fake name and address, and using a private email account that doesn't have my name or nickname in it. That way, if Seeking is ever hacked, the list that gets published online will have the fake name and unidentifiable email address instead of mine.

Could someone break through my privacy protections with subpoenas to Seeking, the store where I buy gift cards, the ATM providers, etc., and then put two and two (and two more) together from the subpoena responses to figure out who I really am? Yes, potentially, with a lot of effort and attention to details. But subpoenas don't go out unless you're being investigated for a crime or in a lawsuit (like a divorce proceeding). I'm not worried about those remote possibilities. I just don't want my name to go public if there's a hack of Seeking's database of members.

**Peter Johnson** · 03-05-23 22:17

Originally Posted by PrinceOfFools [View Original Post]

You are not safer buying an untraceable prepaid or gift card with cash in any way shape or form.

Ok, so you say that paying for the prepaid card with cash is the exact same level of anonymity as paying with a credit card in your name. We will agree to disagree about that.

Originally Posted by PrinceOfFools [View Original Post]

More fun: Do you have a Club Publix number, even if you don't use it to buy cards?

You are going off on a tangent, but yes I do have one. And it is not tied to my real name, phone number, or address. Same with Kroger card. I also don't give any business my phone number unless they absolutely need to have it....because there's usually no good reason to do so, and plenty of downside.

Originally Posted by PrinceOfFools [View Original Post]

You're on a camera walking around Publix.

Yes, with a hat and mask on.

Originally Posted by PrinceOfFools [View Original Post]

You are not anonymous anymore,

I never said I was 100% anonymous at all times. You are saying none of it matters, because no one can have 100% perfect privacy at all times. Again, I disagree.

Some of us take some very easy steps to increase level of privacy, and some of us do not. But to suggest it is impossible to do so is transparently foolish and absurd.

**PrinceOfFools** · 03-05-23 18:22

Originally Posted by PeterJohnson [View Original Post]

If you don't understand the inherent value of privacy and anonymity, to a reasonable extent whenever possible, in this hobby, I doubt I have the ability to explain it to you. But if you do buy a prepaid card with a credit card, then there is a paper trail that links them. I prefer to pay cash, when possible. Risk / reward, cost / benefit says that's what I do.

I just explained a bunch of actual privacy choices, I am very privacy oriented. You are not safer buying an untraceable prepaid or gift card with cash in any way shape or form. You're on a camera walking around Publix. Do you have a cell phone with you, even if it is turned off? It is trivial to combine that kind of information and locate you with the right access, cash isn't saving you. How are you getting cash, is it an ATM? More cameras and your bank number is being used. Maybe your job is paid in cash so it's easier for you, but it isn't "better" as everyone has a footprint. My main concern is seeking being hacked and someone dumping my info as well as not letting these girls know my info, so I protect against that. I do give the girls cash, frankly that's the riskiest part of this entire hobby and the most likely way you'd get identified so I try to leave them no real trace.

More fun: Do you have a Club Publix number, even if you don't use it to buy cards? The amount of analytics those programs generate is terrifying. Did you buy condoms or lube and use the Publix number before? How about flowers or jewelry? Do you have an SO that uses it for household items too? That is the kind of stuff that generates tons of Metadata about you and companies use it for many purposes. They can tell if a woman is pregnant before she knows and if you're fucking around on your wife. Cell companies do the same thing, your traffic patterns and stops are packaged and sold to many companies and gov.

You are not anonymous anymore, you just think you are and most of the steps you take to 'hide are security theater. Hell, this site isn't using an ssl cert and it allows all page indexing as best I can tell. Someone can follow you here and glean a ton of information about you and do it easily.

**Peter Johnson** · 03-05-23 15:14

Originally Posted by GoneForGood97 [View Original Post]

FriendlyPunk.

https://members.seeking.com/member/5...9-f81230b1dbb4

Real and real fun. Sweet girl but flakey (why I stopped seeing her). Eager to please and no wasn't in her vocabulary. Won't host, so 200 plus hotel. Blue/purple hair is most recent.

Don't be a creep or a dick and she's pretty easy to land.

Yes, very flakey. She ghosted me for a couple of months, and then suddenly texted like that never happened and was interested in getting together. We had talked quite a bit and were going to meet up, but then she found some other guy and just ghosted me...then he got tired of her, after several weeks, so she turns up. I don't give women $$$ for that behavior, but sounds like could be worth the hassle, if you don't care about that. I've given some girls 2nd chances, and they really came through, so you just never know. At this point, if someone just disappears and can't take 15 seconds to send me a polite reply, it ruins the mood, and I'll pass. Plenty of others out there.... many of who will do the same thing.... but some will not.

**GoneForGood97** · 03-05-23 12:07

FriendlyPunk.

https://members.seeking.com/member/5...9-f81230b1dbb4

Real and real fun. Sweet girl but flakey (why I stopped seeing her). Eager to please and no wasn't in her vocabulary. Won't host, so 200 plus hotel. Blue/purple hair is most recent.

Don't be a creep or a dick and she's pretty easy to land.

**Peter Johnson** · 03-05-23 11:26

Originally Posted by PrinceOfFools [View Original Post]

Who / what exactly are you trying to hide from? There isn't a way to link buying a prepaid or gift card with a credit card that bought them, they aren't serialized and documented at sale. The level of access to even begin to build that link requires a warrant and it would still be near impossible unless you flat out told someone what you were doing

If you don't understand the inherent value of privacy and anonymity, to a reasonable extent whenever possible, in this hobby, I doubt I have the ability to explain it to you. But if you do buy a prepaid card with a credit card, then there is a paper trail that links them. I prefer to pay cash, when possible. Risk / reward, cost / benefit says that's what I do.

**BrownSugaTwo** · 03-05-23 02:34

Originally Posted by GoneForGood97 [View Original Post]

She's real and been reviewed positively here in the past. I negotiated her to around 300-350 PPM, but we could never get schedules aligned.

Appreciate the info. Thanks.

**PrinceOfFools** · 03-05-23 01:20

Originally Posted by PeterJohnson [View Original Post]

That's good to know that the virtual visa worked, but what did you buy it with? If you used a regular credit card, then still links your identity to the card, to your SA account, but of course another couple of degrees of separation there. I just figure cash is king, with these types of situations. But it's good to have that backup, if the Publix VISA cards stop working.

Who / what exactly are you trying to hide from? There isn't a way to link buying a prepaid or gift card with a credit card that bought them, they aren't serialized and documented at sale. The level of access to even begin to build that link requires a warrant and it would still be near impossible unless you flat out told someone what you were doing. There's a reason scammers use prepaid cards, they're impossible to track down if you use a fake name and address to register it.

Most of the account problems people are having is because they do a bunch of shady stuff and trigger the fraud detection seeking is running. Sites with a lot of fraud issues build algorithms that use a reputation score to detect likely fraud. Score gets too high, it just bans you. Week old account using a VPN paying with a gift card? Easy ban. It is very easy to pick out a VPN if you're using a public VPN provider or an onion router, the IP space is pretty static. If you want anonymity, use public wifi. Did you know many ISPs have their customers routers broadcast a public SSID? Comcasts is called 'xfinitywifi' and dumb users often leave it on, others like ATT do it too. You can often find these in residential areas, just park on the street and use it.

You can also do something like run a VPS somewhere like linode or digitalocean and run your own VPN service there and connect. Less likely to catch a ban and you can still pay for it with a prepaid.

**Roddee** · 03-04-23 22:53

I miss backpage. . .

I'm just going to leave this right here.

Glhf.

**Peter Johnson** · 03-04-23 19:45

Originally Posted by SoonerFan72 [View Original Post]

FYI, I just followed the link to the giftcardmall.com, and bought the virtual visa. It worked just like described above. Fake name, address, and phone number.

That's good to know that the virtual visa worked, but what did you buy it with? If you used a regular credit card, then still links your identity to the card, to your SA account, but of course another couple of degrees of separation there. I just figure cash is king, with these types of situations. But it's good to have that backup, if the Publix VISA cards stop working.