"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[Apollo007]

Okay, I'm starting to get a little better at this. I've been on SA for about 2 weeks. I still have a leftover from SB that is getting most of my attention. So, are some of my theories true or false in trying to land some $300 and below girls:

The more recent a member is, the better chance you're dealing with a potential sb?

The members who have been on there for more than a few months are more likely to be pros or want more money?

A member who is "premium" or featured is going to be pro's or gps?

Are the girls in the mid 20's (22-28) going to be on the upper end of compensation (assuming they're not unattractive or out of shape)?

And who are the morons that pay these girls money for pictures or videos?

I was going to say the Snap Chat's and What's app. Are you " or pix sellers. But I'm seeing where that may not be true already.

Picture seller:

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...0-753fe40cc3cd

Wants $40 in advance before meet up:

https://members.seeking.com/member/8...a-febe8bbef670

I'm meeting this one tomorrow night for a meet and greet. Any info please?

https://members.seeking.com/member/2...7-1a751c99dd8d

[GoneForGood97]

VerdantHarmony https://members.seeking.com/member/7...6-d8500019c761.

I usually have really good luck with these hippie girls, and thought I had something really special lined up with this one. Standard convo, moved to text. We agree to a coffee meet and greet, but she had already used some language during our texts about how "much she values herself" that I knew was problematic. I actually pushed back, talking about how woman that are too materialistic aren't for me, that if you're so focused on $ then it's not going to work, really trying to push her away. She threw out she wanted 400 PPM. Told her that was too high, but if she'd lower hers I'd raise mine and we might could meet in the middle, otherwise no reason to waste time meeting for coffee. She said that would work for her, that she could come down if I could come up, and we agree to still meet for coffee.

A few days later we're having coffee at Starbucks and seem to really hit things off. We walk away to discuss the arrangement, and she opens by saying she can do 300 but isn't comfortable hosting. I tell her I can get us a hotel for our initial date, but that for amount I would expect her to begin hosting after 1-2 dates when we have some trust built. She agrees, and we setup a date for later in the week.

I text her off and on to maintain our connection and to confirm some details for our date, and she keeps putting me off. Eventually I see her logging back onto SA. I knew it was coming, and sure enough she finally messages me that she's been thinking about it, and 300 is not enough, and she wants 400. I tell her good luck and cut my losses. So, if you're into hippy college girls, this one can be had for 400 plus hotel, though I also bet if enough guys hit her with a more reasonable rate she'll realize she needs to readjust her expectations LOL. I think money is getting tight for her as she had mentioned during our date she recently quit her job. Good luck.

[HollowGuy]

What is your strategy there to broach the subject and get them in your rotation? Do you just casually ask them if they ever thought about having a sugar daddy I almost did this with a hotel clerk last week, but I just don't have the game to follow through. I should have at least tried though.

I'm not at all surprised that it works, as most young girls are open to selling pussy. Most of them are aspiring wh*res for the right price. (And of course I use "wh*re" in the most favorable way possible. Not throwing any shade there._ Anyway good job for converting some civilians like that. That sounds like even more exciting than getting girls from the site.

Don't get me wrong some girls are hard to crack. But it's one's.

I have found that likes to party and the strip clubs. They are far more open minded. Makes them prime. I had one I met at a restaurant we exchanged numbers I texted her with game. We agreed to meet at reasonable rate. Now she texts me 2 or 3 times a week for free sex.

[HollowGuy]

Success as in just picking them up and fucking for free? Or turning your waitress into an SB? Like I've occasionally managed to get a waitress's ph# and hook up later, but I was way younger and it was just a fun hookup, no pay for play. I'd imagine girls that work at Hooters or Tilted Kilt or Twin Peaks would be more open to pay for play, but that's just a guess. All my pay for play has either been from strip clubs, escorts met through online ads, or now sugar babies on seeking.

Both. It starts as play for pay on some and I was able to turn it into relationships. Girls know if they will have sex with a guy it's really getting them to take the chance. So making it hard to say no is the trick.

[Peter Johnson]

Had a few guys PM me asking for tips on playing in the sugar bowl. Figure it'd be easier to post here than answer each person individually, and the character limit is much higher here than in DMs:

Good tips and approach. There really is both an art and a science to all of this. I find that conversation is the key, with building trust, although some girls are just DTF at the start. Well the key is having $300 in your hand, and just not seeming creepy or threatening. But just talk to them like you would anyone else, although sometimes if the girl is too hot, it does make that difficult.

I agree that it's good to compliment them though. On something like Bumble, I would play it cool and not tell them they look so pretty (and they probably wouldn't anyway), but with these girls, many of them love the attention and validation from an older guy.

Also, don't feel like you have to play their game. There really isn't even any game involved, which is what I enjoy so much. I am honest and tell them I want to them naked in a hotel sroom, so the conversation just moves in that direction. I would rather start talking about sex too quickly, than not quickly enough. The last thing they want is some dude wasting their time when they have bills to pay.

Anyway I wish I would have had this resource when I was in my 20's and 30's, although I didn't have the $$$ then and these girls wouldn't have paid me any attention. The money is what turns them on, plus their Daddy issues.

But this is all I wanted when I was younger. Just flirting with attractive young women and have them be nice, and quick to get naked. Well, that's what every normal, healthy guy wants, at every age, but just saying that Seeking is amazing that we can actually get that for a reasonable amount of cash.

[JokeSterkev]

Had a few guys PM me asking for tips on playing in the sugar bowl. Figure it'd be easier to post here than answer each person individually, and the character limit is much higher here than in DMs:

Regarding how to open with a girl: there's dozens of websites you can look up good online dating openers, just find something that's funny but not pervy / overly sexual. I'm really proud of the opener I use but not going to share it because it's unique and I get a lot of compliments from girls "oh I've never heard that before" or "how clever" "you're funny" etc, so I don't really want other guys in the same dating area using it. But like I said, there's whole bunch of fun openers you can find online for Tinder or whatnot, so just find one you like and use it. Most girls are happy that you're not the 100th guy that day saying "hey" or "what's up?" or "how much to fuck". As long as you're not too boring or too pervy you'll get some attention.

I just copy and paste this message. "Hey text or snap me? {insert number and Snapchat here} Snapchat I have the most success with I get tons and tons of responses on snap, sure some scammers but you can tell by snap score if they are legit but almost all my arrangements have been made from Snapchat. I have a good success rate that's as simple as I get and go from there.

[Machintosh]

When I try to use the site they will not take my G Voice number. Any creative ways around this?

Pick up a pay as you go phone from Kroger for like 20 $.

[LovePunnany]

I was texting with her last week and her replies got lost in my other msgs. LOL. She seemed pretty cool. She told me she is somewhat new at this. Let me know how it works out for you.

I also got the feeling that she is a civilian and not a professional. Will update when the meet happens.

Thanks for the response.

[ForeGolf197]

CSI's any info on this lady would be appreciated, have a meet this week.

Appreciate the feedback.

https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userP...serId=67958716

I was texting with her last week and her replies got lost in my other msgs. LOL. She seemed pretty cool. She told me she is somewhat new at this. Let me know how it works out for you.

[ForeGolf197]

Had a few guys PM me asking for tips on playing in the sugar bowl. Figure it'd be easier to post here than answer each person individually, and the character limit is much higher here than in DMs:

Regarding how to open with a girl: there's dozens of websites you can look up good online dating openers, just find something that's funny but not pervy / overly sexual. I'm really proud of the opener I use but not going to share it because it's unique and I get a lot of compliments from girls "oh I've never heard that before" or "how clever" "you're funny" etc, so I don't really want other guys in the same dating area using it. But like I said, there's whole bunch of fun openers you can find online for Tinder or whatnot, so just find one you like and use it. Most girls are happy that you're not the 100th guy that day saying "hey" or "what's up?" or "how much to fuck". As long as you're not too boring or too pervy you'll get some attention.

Generally on SA I just copy / paste my opener to every girl that looks like someone I might enjoy my time with (in SB speak we call these "Pots" aka potentials). I might do this to 20-30 girls. I'm lucky I work remote and can keep my personal laptop open on my desk on SA while working on my work desktop, so I generally glance at my laptop a few times an hour to see if any responses. The site will also tell you which girls have viewed your message but not responded. Any girls that have a viewed "check mark" but didn't respond I send a quick follow up to..

Excellent post, thank you. Just started using some of your suggestions.

[LovePunnany]

CSI's any info on this lady would be appreciated, have a meet this week.

Appreciate the feedback.

https://www.sugardaddymeet.com/userP...serId=67958716

[FarFarAway]

Success as in just picking them up and fucking for free? Or turning your waitress into an SB? Like I've occasionally managed to get a waitress's ph# and hook up later, but I was way younger and it was just a fun hookup, no pay for play. I'd imagine girls that work at Hooters or Tilted Kilt or Twin Peaks would be more open to pay for play, but that's just a guess. All my pay for play has either been from strip clubs, escorts met through online ads, or now sugar babies on seeking.

Just replying to this one to save bandwidth. All newbies should peruse the sugar thread for Richmond VA, which has local posts but it also the de facto national sugar thread. There is also an archive of links to all the valuable past posts.

[Verdit]

When I try to use the site they will not take my G Voice number. Any creative ways around this?

I would like to know this too b / c I"m not giving them a picture of my I'd.

[GoneForGood97]

Had a few guys PM me asking for tips on playing in the sugar bowl. Figure it'd be easier to post here than answer each person individually, and the character limit is much higher here than in DMs:

Regarding how to open with a girl: there's dozens of websites you can look up good online dating openers, just find something that's funny but not pervy / overly sexual. I'm really proud of the opener I use but not going to share it because it's unique and I get a lot of compliments from girls "oh I've never heard that before" or "how clever" "you're funny" etc, so I don't really want other guys in the same dating area using it. But like I said, there's whole bunch of fun openers you can find online for Tinder or whatnot, so just find one you like and use it. Most girls are happy that you're not the 100th guy that day saying "hey" or "what's up?" or "how much to fuck". As long as you're not too boring or too pervy you'll get some attention.

Generally on SA I just copy / paste my opener to every girl that looks like someone I might enjoy my time with (in SB speak we call these "Pots" aka potentials). I might do this to 20-30 girls. I'm lucky I work remote and can keep my personal laptop open on my desk on SA while working on my work desktop, so I generally glance at my laptop a few times an hour to see if any responses. The site will also tell you which girls have viewed your message but not responded. Any girls that have a viewed "check mark" but didn't respond I send a quick follow up to. Any girl who did respond (usually with a laugh) I tell them I'm glad I could make them laugh, and ask if anything else that day has made them smile. At that point you need to make sure you've read their profile so you can ask interested questions about the things they list on there ("Oh you like to travel? Where are some cool places you've been?" or "You love trying new places to eat, what are some recent places you enjoyed?" Just ask open ended questions and be encouraging regarding any answer they give you ("Oh that's so cool I love XYZ"). Out of the 20-30 girls I message, I hear back from about 10, 2-3 of those will be content sellers/scammers, and of those remaining 7-8 maybe 4-5 will message more than once or twice in reply. Generally after over a dozen messages back and forth with those 4-5 I'll request to see their private profile pics, and if they share them I complement how lovely they look and ask if they'd like to talk more on snap or over text. When they answer I then ask them for their ph# or snap info. Generally this means out of the 30 girls I messaged that day, maybe only 2-3 I actually move to text or snap. Once I get them offsite, I reach out to them, "Hey this is Good you just gave me your number" and wait for a reply. Once I get a reply back (in case they typo'd the number they gave me or I typo'd the number texting them) then I'll usually say "Hey, before we get too deep into this, I need a favor. Will you send me a selfie doing <insert non-sexual pose here> so I know you're real? There's a lot of scammers on the site, just need to make sure you're you and not some Romanian dude who stole an Instagram model's pics". There's a not-so-subtle compliment in my verification request implying they look good enough to be a model which usually gets me a pretty quick response. If they never reply back, then I know they are just a scammer. Some will ask to do it later because they haven't got ready for the day (aka no makeup) which is fine, and I'll generally text them again a few hours later gently reminding them of my request. If they ignore or put off again, I move on.

After that I'll have more small talk / flirty talk (just asking questions about their interests, sometimes even just literally asking them what their interests are then asking specifics about those), then after we've got to know each other I'll ask if they want to discuss arrangement details. If yes, I'll say let's establish we'll have sexual chemistry first and see if they're ok talking about sex. If they no to talking sex details, I go back to more small talk off and on for another day or 2 then bring up the sex talk again. If after having small talk with someone for 2 days they aren't ready to discuss their sexual interests, I generally move on as I assume they are too shy or too much of a prude to be fun. Once I get a yes regarding talking sex details, I then ask them what they enjoy in bed (rough vs romantic, do they enjoy receiving or giving oral, where they want me to finish, penetration vs clit stimulation etc). I also ask what they are NOT into, what their boundaries are, and whether or not they can host. Generally this is a great time to get some nudes if they are being really receptive / flirty in their replies. If I get too much of an escort vibe, or they say they don't like giving head, or only interested in 1 position, I tell them we don't sound like a good fit and wish them luck. Whether I get nudes or not, assuming they seem like they'll be a fun time I ask them how much they are looking for in the arrangement, and if they offer something less than or equal to my normal budget (300 if they host, 200 if I need to get a hotel room in metro Atlanta, in the more rural areas of the state I've had success with 200/150) then I agree and schedule a date with them. If the amount they ask is a little higher but not too high (500 or less) I'll do a little negotiating based on what they told me they DON'T enjoy or can't do (can't host, don't like anal, no swallowing, it doesn't matter, just anything that lets me say "Well I understand you're looking for 400, but respecting your boundaries, and not doing those things you're not comfortable with we'll need to bring the allowance down to 250" or whatever $ you like). If they balk or won't budge, thank them for their time and move to the next POT. If they come down to my offer, set up a date.

This isn't a secret template or formula. You will need to adapt on the fly based on how they answer and how eager they seem. I've lost out on good POTs because I spent too much time in the flirty / small talk phase, and I've lost POTs because I moved too quickly to discussing arrangement details or sex. You're going to fuck up and lose some. The more you practice and fail at this, the faster you'll learn and get the hang of how to read what a girl is telling you, and when / how to push for the date, when to negotiate, and when to STFU and take the win (somewhere in my post history I reviewed a 19 year old Arab girl who is still in my top 5 hottest fucks (put up pics in the greatest hits thread a few months ago) and our conversation looked nothing like this because she was horny and had daddy issues and I looked the part), and most importantly, when to cut your losses and walk away. You have to be willing to cut bait on some really hot girls who won't be reasonable in their budget. Yes, could you have fucked that pretty blonde for 100 more? Maybe, but there's likely a brunette who is just as pretty, sucks dick way better, who you can see every week for 200, but you never got a chance to try because you were wasting time trying to get a 600 GPS girl to come down 500, and I came in and am balls deep in the brunette for half the price and twice the fun.

[Skip15]

When I try to use the site they will not take my G Voice number. Any creative ways around this?