Drama 101 in Cleveland

[Tom Mubbles]

I'm not a lawyer or anything remotely close, but as I understand it, the supreme courts ruling on Roe vs Wade doesn't necessarily out law abortion, but rather leaves it up to each state to decide. Also I'm not quite sure where you have the idea that the GOP or looney bible people think that birth control is the next thing that will be illegal. What is happening today is people don't want to accept responsibility for their action, but want the government to basically tell them how to live. Its never their fault and someone else will fix and take care of the problem I too enjoy BB and have had a vasectomy so pregnancy is not a concern of mine. Lastly, I do find it humorous when providers say they don't do it for safety reasons, yet how many of them smoke and or do drugs, which will give you health problems guaranteed. Ok enough of my musings.

Roe being overturned and the case regarding Miranda rights are both huge setbacks for individual rights / freedoms and basically tells states that "hey, if something wasn't literally mentioned in the constitution then our position is that the right doesn't exist". That opens the door for all sorts of regressive legislation on things like marriage equality, school funding, criminal due process etc.

Numerous Republicans in multiple states, including Ohio's own Jean Schmidt (the Crypt Keeper) have come out and said that going after access to BC is on their agenda next. Other states, like TX have said that they are planning on going to challenge gay marriage and / or start enforcing old laws criminalizing gay sex. Sure doesn't sound like the party of no government interference to me. Mind your own fucking business and I will mind mine is my motto. Trumpublicans want Trump and their pastor to not only tell them how to live but also mandate that EVERYONE follow those same rules. What's most comical is that Trump and those that put him in power are anything but a typical conservative nor are they Christian for the most part. It's all grift and they are robbing everyone blind, or at least everyone that doesn't have a 8 figure plus net worth.

Unfortunately for the country I think that we are going to elect DeSantis in 24 and he actually believes in this culture war crap and you are going to see a gigantic Taliban-esque crackdown on any sort of "sinful" behavior that upsets evangelical Christians. Not good news for folks like you and me that like to partake in activities discussed on this board. Not sure how wanting to be able to access BC, not being forced to be an evangelical Christian or not seeing my gay and lesbian relatives and friends harassed and possibly arrested is "wanting the government to tell me how to live".

[HelixTiRider]

I agree 100% and I'd occasionally partake with certain girls I'd see regularly. Not taking anymore chances. Not to sound like an alarmist but we may even end up with one of those bounty laws and end up with these Incel proud boy types nosing into your sex life and trying to haul you and the girl into civil court over even a rumored pregnancy and misscariage. World is a crazy place right now.

I'm not a lawyer or anything remotely close, but as I understand it, the supreme courts ruling on Roe vs Wade doesn't necessarily out law abortion, but rather leaves it up to each state to decide. Also I'm not quite sure where you have the idea that the GOP or looney bible people think that birth control is the next thing that will be illegal. What is happening today is people don't want to accept responsibility for their action, but want the government to basically tell them how to live. Its never their fault and someone else will fix and take care of the problem I too enjoy BB and have had a vasectomy so pregnancy is not a concern of mine. Lastly, I do find it humorous when providers say they don't do it for safety reasons, yet how many of them smoke and or do drugs, which will give you health problems guaranteed. Ok enough of my musings.

[Tom Mubbles]

I'm pretty sure outlawing burth control is next on the Supreme Court list of things to make illegal. We are in the same age bracket and nor do I have any desire to have kids either. What you mentioned is the point I was trying to make when I brought this subject up. It now becomes even more worrisome to even consider doing BBFS. Which occasionally I take a chance and enjoy.

I agree 100% and I'd occasionally partake with certain girls I'd see regularly. Not taking anymore chances. Not to sound like an alarmist but we may even end up with one of those bounty laws and end up with these Incel proud boy types nosing into your sex life and trying to haul you and the girl into civil court over even a rumored pregnancy and misscariage. World is a crazy place right now.

[Bernie76]

If the loony Bible Brigade that controls the OH Republican Party has their way most, if not all, forms of birth control will be outlawed. Might be wise to stock up or take more permanent steps. I'm in my 40's and have no desire to have kids at this point so I'm seriously considering getting snipped.

I'm pretty sure outlawing burth control is next on the Supreme Court list of things to make illegal. We are in the same age bracket and nor do I have any desire to have kids either. What you mentioned is the point I was trying to make when I brought this subject up. It now becomes even more worrisome to even consider doing BBFS. Which occasionally I take a chance and enjoy.

[Tom Mubbles]

I don't care, in fact I've enjoyed BBFS a few times. Although It now becomes a PIA... And will be an even bigger one in months ahead... To have an abortion performed if God forbid a pregnancy is the result of bb. Its only a matter of time before Ohio cracks down on it.

If the loony Bible Brigade that controls the OH Republican Party has their way most, if not all, forms of birth control will be outlawed. Might be wise to stock up or take more permanent steps. I'm in my 40's and have no desire to have kids at this point so I'm seriously considering getting snipped.

[Bernie76]

Why do you guys care, bruh? It's always crazy to me how something that doesn't affect you guys one iota is such a big deal to you at the same time.

I don't care, in fact I've enjoyed BBFS a few times. Although It now becomes a PIA... And will be an even bigger one in months ahead... To have an abortion performed if God forbid a pregnancy is the result of bb. Its only a matter of time before Ohio cracks down on it.

[LenDavid]

Cuba and Rojava for sure.

USSR went from a poor backward serfdom to beating the Nazis and going to space. China made massive improvements too. Vietnam ofc has a far better standard of living than it did under the French.

If socialism didn't work, USA wouldn't have murdered millions over the years to stop it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lxD-gikpMs

[Cumshot19]

Cuba and Rojava for sure.

USSR went from a poor backward serfdom to beating the Nazis and going to space. China made massive improvements too. Vietnam ofc has a far better standard of living than it did under the French.

If socialism didn't work, USA wouldn't have murdered millions over the years to stop it.

I asked for examples of libertarianism, dummy. I know all about communism. I'm a high ranking member of the US communist party.

[Cleve Loser]

And on this day, when asked to provide and example, not a single example was seen.

Cuba and Rojava for sure.

USSR went from a poor backward serfdom to beating the Nazis and going to space. China made massive improvements too. Vietnam ofc has a far better standard of living than it did under the French.

If socialism didn't work, USA wouldn't have murdered millions over the years to stop it.

[Cumshot19]

Anarchism is different than libertarianism. They are like opposites in many ways. It's more akin to socialism. There have been plenty of examples of both working well.

And on this day, when asked to provide and example, not a single example was seen.

[Navritol]

Anarchism is different than libertarianism. They are like opposites in many ways. It's more akin to socialism. There have been plenty of examples of both working well.

Plenty?

Care to cite one or two?

[Cleve Loser]

I love the losers who talk about how libertarianism will solve everything. Based on what? What country has implemented such an anarchist system that we can use as an example?

Anarchism is different than libertarianism. They are like opposites in many ways. It's more akin to socialism. There have been plenty of examples of both working well.

[JeanJizzes]

In your misguided thought process, who do you think is going to make up that 12 k that Biden wanted to knock off of the car price. What happens when rolling blackouts occur?. We can't keep our electric grid working now, add more?. SMH. And do you have any idea the environmental impact of all these batteries, both to manufacture and dispose of?. Do some research.

Look at California, firing up coal power plants bc they're de-commissioning nuclear and solar / wind cannot handle the power needed to run ppls air conditioners etc. The technology of wind and solar is great but to force it on people and make it your sole source of power is not the way to go. Even solar panels on homes is a "feel good about myself" investment and has no monetary benefits, at least for someone like me. I get a 120-160 a month electric bill and panels to run my home are upwards of 25 k. even at the most expensive electric bill I've received it would take my 13 years to get my moneys worth, assuming I get 0 dollars back from the electric company using my panels for their grid.

Keep developing this technology yes but it's not practical and for electric cars that's great for people who want them but I'm not driving a 15 k Chevy Bolt. I would consider a model why or something like that but at the price of the vehicle and totally eliminating a monthly gas expense it is still cheaper to drive the car I have (jaguar F-Pace) considering monthly lease payment and gas expense per month.

[BudBowl2001]

In your misguided thought process, who do you think is going to make up that 12 k that Biden wanted to knock off of the car price. What happens when rolling blackouts occur?. We can't keep our electric grid working now, add more?. SMH. And do you have any idea the environmental impact of all these batteries, both to manufacture and dispose of?. Do some research.

Fuzzy,

The whole world is suffering from high oil and gas prices. Unlike Trump, Biden is not the president of the world. A new Chevy Bolt can be had for 25 K. Biden attempted to pass a bill that would have knocked off 12 K from that price. So for 13 K, a working guy could have a new, electric car that would cost about $5 of electricity for 250 miles of travel when plugged in at home or free in other places.

So for your one example, he is trying to liberate you from Middle Eastern oil, Russian oil, and South American oil. I love my gas engine cars too, but no longer want to support murderous regimes. When I need a new car, I will look for an electric car if Ican find one I can afford. The Putz was canceling milage requirements for new cars, thus trying to insure the need for more and more oil.

To be sure Biden has had some serious missteps, but I don't think he will try to cancel millions of legitimate votes to stay in power.

I will not continue on political discussions. I also urge everyone to look up some information on being a Libertarian. It has nothing to do with being a communist as suggested by someone.

[Cheech1]

Does not allow slavery. It considers pretty much everything based upon personal property rights. Including your own body. Slavery is the complete negation of your right to your own body, the complete opposite of liberty. As far as kid stuff goes, my politically incorrect view is that a person should be able to engage in sex when that person has become mature enough to do so. That decision can be tricky, and currently in Ohio the age of consent is 16. The fact of the matter is, in my opinion, that fixed age qualifications are for the convenience of the government, not the people. There are people who are capable of making the educated decision to engage in sexual activity at younger ages, like I was, and people who shouldn't until later ages. The same thing applies to other things like drinking alcohol, using drugs, or driving a car. I believe we all know people who were capable of driving, for example, when they were 14, and we all know people who should never be behind the wheel.

Cheech.