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  1. #17396

    I knew an honest one who told me the truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Idk85  [View Original Post]
    They will just use your friendship to exploit it for personal gain. I am not saying that they are all the same; however, you don't want to be a friend to the wrong one.

    If you see one sign of trouble, it is just best to walk away.
    She told me to be realistic in dealing with her, her friends, and every other girl out there, because many if not most are addicts. They'll say and do what they need to for the money.

    I used to let her sleep over my house, and she didn't go through my stuff or steal from me, but she was the kind who got ripped off by her own friends because she retained as much of her character as she should being an addict. Of course she'd steal from stores, but not friends or clients.

    She never put me in a bad spot by asking me for loans. She'd sometimes ask me to wire her $30 so she could pay a ride to bring her to Nova from the Eastern Shore, and she'd use that money as promised, and be here the next day.

    I knew the details of her life, her family situation, her legal problems, her rehab failures, and even who her benefactors were.

    She had one guy who took care of her, paid for all kinds of stuff, drove her all over, and had the idea that he was going to save her then marry her (even though he was married). She told him over and over not to expect anything to come from his help, but he insisted and she took what he gave her.

    After she OD'd, I spoke to him (using my FB nom-de-guerre) because he was with her when she died, creating a mess for him to deal with. He wasn't a bad guy, and she never stole from him or lied to him, except about using dope again, which she said she'd stopped.

    This girl was the exception, not the norm. Don't think you've found the diamond in the rough; caution is the rule with all of them, even the "good" ones.

    Never give any of these girls more than you can afford to lose. If you think you're friends with them, be super cautious, and be honest with yourself about whether they behave like friends. Pay attention to the small things that annoy you; that's where the truth comes out, and a small grift today will be magnified times a hundred when the need is great enough.

    I've never laid out more than $100 on a flyer and seen the money again. Small amounts may be worth the risk, but if you lend these girls money, don't expect to get it back. Even if they come back after cheating you, and you insist on them working off what they took through discounted sessions, they'll resent you for it, and in their next "need" phase, will double down on punishing you.

  2. #17395
    Quote Originally Posted by HappyGuy2  [View Original Post]
    Several places on Lee Highway near Merrifield.

    Noticed a relatively new one. Luna Massage. Visited to get info. No time today. But wondered if legit or much better than legit. Am I naive to think legit or is there fun to be had? Sweet nice short busy Chinese gal being desk seemed nice. Is it worth it? Just don't have the time to spare to waste it.

    - Here or PM OK.

    Thanks,

    HG2.
    I haven't seen or been to this place, but based on what I saw online, I'm leaning to it being on the legit side. Groupon deals, good Yelp reviews, hours of operation and very visible location, but again, that's just based on my opinion and not a visit.

  3. #17394
    Senior Member


    Posts: 1947

    Monger, know thyself (and thy negotiating style)!

    Quote Originally Posted by TomMcAn  [View Original Post]
    Jack, thanks for posting about your experience. You learned a valuable lesson about bringing too much money with you and overtipping. Normally I only bring the session fee with me unless there is a chance for extras, and then I limit my additional cash to what I consider a reasonable tip. If she's unwilling to work with me, then I can rule out future visits with her.

    One request: could you please post a link to the provider in question so that we can all know who to avoid? Thanks!
    I personally have no problem bringing extra cash into a session but only because over the years I've gotten pretty good when it comes to listening to the big head. Everyone has to figure out what works best for them but it all revolves around the "moment of truth" that happens in many negotiation situations.

    If everything's been agreed beforehand, or if you're a regular and there's a pre-existing understanding, or if you make an offer and it's quickly accepted, then there's really not much negotiating going on. But the "moment of truth" happens when a provider believes she has the power and leverage, because of the client's horniness, that allows her to do a hard-sell upcharge. The only possible response a monger has is the power and leverage found in his wallet. What will decide that power struggle is whether he wants the extras more than she wants the money.

    With AMPs and FBSM providers, if I get the hard upcharge treatment, my default is to say I'm fine with whatever is covered by the fee already paid. For an AMP, I've only paid the house fee that should cover at least a massage. If the masseuse continues and gives a decent massage that lasts the full hour, I'll leave a $20 tip. If she gives a crap massage, I'll leave no tip. If she wants to end the session early, I'll ask MMS for a refund and explain why. Over the decades I can count on one hand when this hasn't worked. When that last scenario happens, I post on the appropriate boards to warn others. On those occasions when the masseuse agrees to my offered price, it's a judgment call as to whether her attitude is positive enough to perform adequately.

    For independent FBSM providers it's pretty much the same except for the MMS part. Since I've already probably paid 120, it's reasonable to expect a massage + HJ. The provider then has to decide how badly she wants the extra $. If she's popular enough, or has GPS, she won't agree because she figures she'll get it from another monger or she'll refuse because she thinks she's worth the extra $. Not a problem for me because that lets me know I'll never see her again and I also know the "buyer's remorse" I'd have from overpaying would far outweigh any possible temporary blue-ball situation. It also helps a lot when you have regular providers you know won't play such games. Having a Plan B definitely helps strengthen your resolve.

    We all crave variety which is why we often take a chance with new and unreviewed providers. When those encounters don't go according to plan, we mongers need to remember and play to our strengths.

  4. #17393

    Luna Massage on Lee highway

    Several places on Lee Highway near Merrifield.

    Noticed a relatively new one. Luna Massage. Visited to get info. No time today. But wondered if legit or much better than legit. Am I naive to think legit or is there fun to be had? Sweet nice short busy Chinese gal being desk seemed nice. Is it worth it? Just don't have the time to spare to waste it.

    - Here or PM OK.

    Thanks,

    HG2.

  5. #17392
    Regular Member


    Posts: 14
    Quote Originally Posted by JmSuttr  [View Original Post]
    As a first time client, for the 120 hr fee you'll get a great massage and clothed HE, if you're respectful and make her feel comfortable. You'd be wise not to set your expectations beyond that. For repeat visits, everything depends on the YMMV factor between the individual massage provider and client. There's simply no way to predict that in advance.

    One thing about KK is that her massage is good enough that she'd have plenty of regulars on that basis alone. Also, she's a small BBW, body-wise, so you should be aware before scheduling.
    Thank you! I ended up seeing Rada. Cute, thin, but also limited extras and the prices were outlandish. I am pausing on the hobby for two weeks and going to Tijuana and staying at Hong Kong as long as restrictions in San Diego do not get out of control.

  6. #17391

    Learning lessons

    Quote Originally Posted by JackAubry  [View Original Post]
    Brothers let me first apologize. I violated one of the most important basic rules- I took too much money with me.

    Scheduled a one hour massage with cha-cha at 120. I took a little extra money because I was thinking of treating myself to a doubles. She's a little older than the pictures but still a tiny little package. During the massage which was OK I negotiated to upgrade to nuru at an additional Benjamin. So now I'm at 2:20. She gave me such a phenomenal massage with a great prostate I completely lost my mind. With her tiny little moneymaker in my face and her tiny strong hands around Junior she started whispering do you want more. Course I wanted more but negotiating from this position was not my wisest decision. I ended up with a Benji and a grant for a really fantastic full-service explosion. So now I'm at 3. 7 for what I had at an ACS in Sterling that featured full rimming for 160 a week earlier.

    So brothers I come to apologize and ask your forgiveness as I have inadvertently contributed to GPS. And try to impart my mistake so that you will not make the same.

    Happy Holidays.

    Jack.
    Jack, thanks for posting about your experience. You learned a valuable lesson about bringing too much money with you and overtipping. Normally I only bring the session fee with me unless there is a chance for extras, and then I limit my additional cash to what I consider a reasonable tip. If she's unwilling to work with me, then I can rule out future visits with her.

    One request: could you please post a link to the provider in question so that we can all know who to avoid? Thanks!

  7. #17390

    Best Chantilly

    I've seen Lucy a few times now.

    Last visit we went to the table shower, lots of teasing. While she was getting the water hot, I rubbed my cock between her ass cheeks, she backed into it hard. At the end of the TS, I got a little BBBJ. Back in the room it was straight to BBBJ. Lots of gaging, very sloppy. She took me to the edge 2 or 3 times before I blew. She let me cum on her face / chest. While she was cleaning her face, I strapped up for more fun. I put her down for standing mish, she has a great body with very nice tits. They were still covered in cum. We started slow and progressed into deep long strokes. I didn't try to hold back, I unloaded in the bag, she then pulled it off and emptied it on her stomach.

    After cleaning up, she helped dress me. She gave jr a "kiss" goodbye, witch made him very hard. There was no way she was going again. So I sat down and jacked off while Lucy straddled me naked grinding her pussy on my leg. After I came she got me some water and I was on my way.

  8. #17389

    Eden

    Why can't I find the Eden website anymore?

    Someone please post or PM me.

  9. #17388

    Merry Christmas to all

    And a COVID-Conquered New Year.

    Thank you to the brother mongers for sharing intel, wisdom, and opinions.

    Thank you to the MMS / managers for maintaining excellent facilities.

    Made visits the past two weeks to Bamboo, the Garden, Eastern and a few independents. All visits provided customary NoVA Christmas cheer. Thank you to the ladies. I hope Santa is nice to all of them. As we should always be nice to the ladies.

    PA.

  10. #17387

    Eastern Spa in Fairfax

    I dropped by this place on Lee Hwy near Kamp Washington corner. I saw one decent review on another board and figured I would TOFTT. I came in and drew Susan. Paid my $60 and stripped for the massage. Susan was very playful and jiggled my old ass and then laughed. The massage was a good deep tissue which I asked for. After hot towels she did a light fingernail rub and then asked me to flip. She started right in with NOVA and complied when I asked for a little stimulation down south as well. I asked for a view and she pulled down her top to expose some nice brown nipples. She didn't mind my roaming around her B's and I popped soon after. Susan then continued massaging my head and doing some stretching until my hour was up. I tipped $45 for her great attitude and for the view. I couldn't guess her age because of the mask but she was definitely cute and not an old hag. I would return.

  11. #17386
    Quote Originally Posted by VistaPrivada  [View Original Post]
    Dreamt of Kimberly from ST the other day. She's a cute curvy Latina / Jamaican with nice natural tits and a great butt. She's very young, I'd say about 20, and has a sweet demeanor. Only went for 30 minutes, as was first dream, and not sure of how much extra is on the table. Pretty receptive to roaming. Will definitely repeat to see if there's a more extended menu, but had a great time regardless, and definitely recommend.
    What did you leave with? HJ?

  12. #17385

    ST Kimberly

    Dreamt of Kimberly from ST the other day. She's a cute curvy Latina / Jamaican with nice natural tits and a great butt. She's very young, I'd say about 20, and has a sweet demeanor. Only went for 30 minutes, as was first dream, and not sure of how much extra is on the table. Pretty receptive to roaming. Will definitely repeat to see if there's a more extended menu, but had a great time regardless, and definitely recommend.

  13. #17384
    Live and learn. Consider it an early Christmas present to yourself.

    At least you had a good time.

    Quote Originally Posted by JackAubry  [View Original Post]
    Brothers let me first apologize. I violated one of the most important basic rules- I took too much money with me.

    Scheduled a one hour massage with cha-cha at 120. I took a little extra money because I was thinking of treating myself to a doubles. She's a little older than the pictures but still a tiny little package. During the massage which was OK I negotiated to upgrade to nuru at an additional Benjamin. So now I'm at 2:20. She gave me such a phenomenal massage with a great prostate I completely lost my mind. With her tiny little moneymaker in my face and her tiny strong hands around Junior she started whispering do you want more. Course I wanted more but negotiating from this position was not my wisest decision. I ended up with a Benji and a grant for a really fantastic full-service explosion. So now I'm at 3. 7 for what I had at an ACS in Sterling that featured full rimming for 160 a week earlier.

  14. #17383

    Garden in Burke

    Quote Originally Posted by PilotAviator  [View Original Post]
    Although we are past the vernal eq, and recognizing the staff is very aware of and follows COVID recommendations, my last visit to the Garden in Burke was like a renewal of life in the Spring.

    Thank you Lucy for a great NOVA massage experience.

    Always be nice to the ladies.

    PA.
    I stopped in here recently on a slow day for them, and took them up on a 4-hand session (paid $130/ hr). While I generally don't do 4-hand, because it seems to inhibit some providers, this was a great massage by both providers and a nice NOVA experience. I would do it again on a whim.

    I've also seen Tina solo here; she's a cute MILF (very pretty eyes over the mask, IMHO) and very sweet. Talented massage, and worked in some nice teasing / previews while I was on my stomach. I would definitely see her again.

  15. #17382

    Dumfries is a hike for sure

    Quote Originally Posted by GilBang  [View Original Post]
    I did a quick Google search for 'Oasis Spa Jefferson Davis Hwy' and one came up in Dumfries. A bit far from me, but this may help you.
    Thanks for your post. Wish Dumfries was closer but oh well.

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