Law Enforcement in California (Providers Read)

[Dgoesinyours]

She goes which ever the way the wind blows.

Or she blows which ever way the wind goes.

[BbigJohnson]

Wow how time flies I remember when years ago all the strip clubs were getting raided under her tenure.

She goes which ever the way the wind blows.

[MongerSeeker]

We are getting closer to ending this awful law. SB357 has been sent to the governor's desk. If the is not terminated. Then they need to end the catchall portion of 653.22 b. Some in law enforcement have argued that without the law itmake it harder curb sex trafficking. But this does excuse such overreaching law. Other states such as Nevada have loitering laws. But only CA allows police to define it as they wish.

(https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics...254147868.html).

I will be really great if CA repeals this terrible loitering law. California loitering law is the worst iteration of the ordinance in the country. CA's loitering law is a catch all law that allows law enforcement to consider almost anything they want as a violation. Most of the sting operation arrests are for loitering in California. Awhile back the SF the publicly stated how legally questionable the law is.

(https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics...s-16010280.php).

[MongerSeeker]

I will be really great if CA repeals this terrible loitering law. California loitering law is the worst iteration of the ordinance in the country. CA's loitering law is a catch all law that allows law enforcement to consider almost anything they want as a violation. Most of the sting operation arrests are for loitering in California. Awhile back the SF the publicly stated how legally questionable the law is.

(https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics...s-16010280.php).

[hotwings]

For some reason, I've noticed city police cars to be unmarked with only the lights in a smaller sedan like a Corolla or Accord that appear to be stopping people for traffic violations but in all likelihood will likely be used to stop mongers. Be safe.

[hotwings]

The Orange county the is posting names and photos of people arrested for prostitution related offenses. In list of names only a lot of guys were cited for loitering. I was fairly amazed how many guys have been arrested for prostitution related offenses since OC does not conduct all that many stings. The web site does not list dates. So it is hard to tell how long ago they were arrested. It is important to remember that if you have been stopped for prostitution related offense that this can be used against you for up to 6 or 8 months. The other thing to remember is that LE has become very aggressive in recent years about prostitution in CA.

http://orangecountyda.org/media/sexpurchasers.asp

This guy, Todd Spitzer will be running for higher office soon. He wants to make a name for himself. It's a victim less crime but one he can capitalize on.

[Checkin Out]

Thanks for your reply. Strange as it seems, there actually are quite a number of misdemeanor (and felony) trials for parlour cases and even independent body rub girls, as well as for mongers. Sometimes, the defendant simply cannot plea bargain because that option is not available (due to other priors, etc) and the case, flimsy as it seems, actually DOES go to trial. During voir dire, any freethinking person is quickly ejected, and the fat PTA grandma's, corrections officers posing as private citizens, and gang member thug rat sleepers are injected into the jury pool surreptitiously and the defendant is indeed convicted. Most jurors have already decided long before the trial itself that they will convict, and many jurors are like I said, fake jurors who have been instructed to do their job and convict. Therefore, it is not a level playing field for the defense, unless you are John Gotti and have millions of dollars to tamper with a jury.

As a free-thinking citizen, during the questioning (voir dire), you do NOT have to give your true opinion about certain topics. Simply tell them you are "objective" and want to see the evidence before deciding. Do not appear opinionated either way, and you may be allowed into the jury box by default because some real jurors actually do get in. At that point, do not allow yourself to be swayed by the jury foreman (who 99% of the time is a LE plant) and simply vote not guilty. If they ask you why? Just say the prosecutor did not prove it's case.

I respectfully disagree with your opinion that American citizens do not have a right to jury nullification. The system is terrified that any percentage of Americans will realize the fact that the JURY is the LAW, NOT the statutes, penal code, legislative branch, nor the judge, nor the prosecutors, NONE of that shit. The JURY is the LAW, period. In the United States, England, and many 1st world countries, the right to jury nullification is baked into the cake so to speak. Please do some more study about this critically important topic.

So, you and The Camel had an interesting discussion going there, and I was giving due consideration to your arguments about jury nullification being a right (Camel was right about the consequences of lying during Voir Dire being a possible prosecution) until you made the outrageous statement that ". 99% of the time (the foreman) is a LE plant. " You demonstrated with that statement that you know not of what you speak.

[Jack926]

CA US Senator Kamella Harris in favor of legalizing prostitution. !!

This is great. Personally I would like to see the establishment of Eros centers like they have in Germany. The girls are cheap and you don't have to pay the $100 for any type kind of sex. This probably will never happen since the US is way to uptight about sex.

(https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/20...work-activists).

Shit-I want her as VP all the sudden.

[Anonymuz2020]

Great post, thank you. Any advice for mongers?

[WhoreMaster 91]

The Orange county the is posting names and photos of people arrested for prostitution related offenses. In list of names only a lot of guys were cited for loitering. I was fairly amazed how many guys have been arrested for prostitution related offenses since OC does not conduct all that many stings. The web site does not list dates. So it is hard to tell how long ago they were arrested. It is important to remember that if you have been stopped for prostitution related offense that this can be used against you for up to 6 or 8 months. The other thing to remember is that LE has become very aggressive in recent years about prostitution in CA.

http://orangecountyda.org/media/sexpurchasers.asp

Country with the most prisoners in the world, Must be great being a Dutch or German male living in their Legal selling pussy countries.

[MongerSeeker]

The Orange county the is posting names and photos of people arrested for prostitution related offenses. In list of names only a lot of guys were cited for loitering. I was fairly amazed how many guys have been arrested for prostitution related offenses since OC does not conduct all that many stings. The web site does not list dates. So it is hard to tell how long ago they were arrested. It is important to remember that if you have been stopped for prostitution related offense that this can be used against you for up to 6 or 8 months. The other thing to remember is that LE has become very aggressive in recent years about prostitution in CA.

http://orangecountyda.org/media/sexpurchasers.asp

[Precarious]

She should have come out with this when she had the opportunity as SF City and County AG or State AG. Now she's trying to fly this on the national stage when it won't work because she's losing the bible belt and other conservative states. Its not for the US but it should have worked in San Francisco. Yes, Germany is a good model for the rest of the world. Nice to see older German couples walking the canals in Amsterdam to spice their own love life. It will take a miracle to have the US population understand that sex is not bad with its history. It was less than 400 years ago (1620) when the Puritans came over.

Wow how time flies I remember when years ago all the strip clubs were getting raided under her tenure.

[hotwings]

CA US Senator Kamella Harris in favor of legalizing prostitution. !!

This is great. Personally I would like to see the establishment of Eros centers like they have in Germany. The girls are cheap and you don't have to pay the $100 for any type kind of sex. This probably will never happen since the US is way to uptight about sex.

(https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/20...work-activists).

She should have come out with this when she had the opportunity as SF City and County AG or State AG. Now she's trying to fly this on the national stage when it won't work because she's losing the bible belt and other conservative states. Its not for the US but it should have worked in San Francisco. Yes, Germany is a good model for the rest of the world. Nice to see older German couples walking the canals in Amsterdam to spice their own love life. It will take a miracle to have the US population understand that sex is not bad with its history. It was less than 400 years ago (1620) when the Puritans came over.

[SlappySalami]

As a veteran monger I certainly detest prostitution laws between consenting parties and did long before I had any notion that I might one day engage in P4 P, BUT FOR THE RECORD as they say in open court, I do not agree that there is a RIGHT to jury nullification, but juries certainly have the POWER to in effect nullify a prosecution that is otherwise valid under the law and the facts of the case. RIGHT v. POWER seems like a technicality but they are 2 different things. If jurors had such a right they wouldn't have to keep their mouths shut about what they are doing through the process as Slappy Salami wisely advises they do.

Jurors take an oath, and open nullification is contrary to that oath. Plus if a juror is questioned in jury selection by a prosecutor or judge as to opinions about prosecuting crimes of prostitution and the prospective juror lies that he will uphold the law if the facts of the case make out a crime, the juror could potentially be found in contempt of court or charged with perjury. Obviously if he tells the truth he will be lawfully excused from the jury so he has no RIGHT (though I realize the nullification fanatics will argue that he has the right but it is being stomped on by the Court). So great if you can keep your mouth shut but you may be placed in a position before you sit on a jury where you will be required to truthfully disclose your attitudes. Similar to jurors who oppose the death penalty not being permitted to sit on juries in capital homicide cases.

But as a practical matter, why don't we hear about cases like this applicable to prostitution cases, at least locally in SoCal? Well, its because it is way beyond rare that a prostitution misdemeanor (for the mongers and hookers who don't have a long rap sheet of priors) will ever be tried by a jury. 99.999% of "monger" cases will either be dismissed because the system is too congested to deal with them, or result in plea bargains to a lesser charge. And there aren't many lesser criminal offenses than a simple charge tossed at a monger for solicitation unless the hooker turns out to be underage. No defense lawyer worth a damn will advise a knowingly guilty monger client to place his fate in the hands of a jury based on having confidence that one of the jurors will hang the jury when his client can walk away with a small fine for a lesser offense and even expunge the misdemeanor from his record at a later date.

Thanks for your reply. Strange as it seems, there actually are quite a number of misdemeanor (and felony) trials for parlour cases and even independent body rub girls, as well as for mongers. Sometimes, the defendant simply cannot plea bargain because that option is not available (due to other priors, etc) and the case, flimsy as it seems, actually DOES go to trial. During voir dire, any freethinking person is quickly ejected, and the fat PTA grandma's, corrections officers posing as private citizens, and gang member thug rat sleepers are injected into the jury pool surreptitiously and the defendant is indeed convicted. Most jurors have already decided long before the trial itself that they will convict, and many jurors are like I said, fake jurors who have been instructed to do their job and convict. Therefore, it is not a level playing field for the defense, unless you are John Gotti and have millions of dollars to tamper with a jury.

As a free-thinking citizen, during the questioning (voir dire), you do NOT have to give your true opinion about certain topics. Simply tell them you are "objective" and want to see the evidence before deciding. Do not appear opinionated either way, and you may be allowed into the jury box by default because some real jurors actually do get in. At that point, do not allow yourself to be swayed by the jury foreman (who 99% of the time is a LE plant) and simply vote not guilty. If they ask you why? Just say the prosecutor did not prove it's case.

I respectfully disagree with your opinion that American citizens do not have a right to jury nullification. The system is terrified that any percentage of Americans will realize the fact that the JURY is the LAW, NOT the statutes, penal code, legislative branch, nor the judge, nor the prosecutors, NONE of that shit. The JURY is the LAW, period. In the United States, England, and many 1st world countries, the right to jury nullification is baked into the cake so to speak. Please do some more study about this critically important topic.

[MongerSeeker]

CA US Senator Kamella Harris in favor of legalizing prostitution. !!

This is great. Personally I would like to see the establishment of Eros centers like they have in Germany. The girls are cheap and you don't have to pay the $100 for any type kind of sex. This probably will never happen since the US is way to uptight about sex.

(https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/20...work-activists).