"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

The sites themselves will never be able to eradicate the pro's from joining. The best they can do is not allow the offer of sex for money on profiles, and they're pretty good about that. So really, the only way to keep them off is to make it too much work for them. And this can only be accomplished through the men on the site. If the men insist on meet and greets before going to the FC, and don't discuss pay for play through messaging, the pro's will have to put in too much work to make it worth their while. Especially when they have to compete with the majority of women on the site who aren't professionals. All of the pro's on SA in my area do not last. I've recognized quite a few who's ads I've seen on BP, or who's phone numbers I've gotten and then googled only to see their escort ads. Most of these women are on the site consistently for a month or so before they delete their profile or stop logging on. So the best way to keep the pro's off the site? Keep the john's off the site. Or at the very least, educate the john's on proper behavior. Easier said then done of course, but if the typical monger starts seeing these sites as an alternative to BP, then the escorts will start to show up in droves.

There are lots of pros on the so called normal dating sites as well. Its an imperfect system that can't be corrected as it is not in the financial interest of the site owners to do so. SA isn't Silk Road. And the gov knows that. Very little chance they will have any FTC or CC processing problems going forward.

BP can have CC processing tomorrow if they want to go offshore. But they dont want the higher fees, 3 week hold times, and overall sketchiness of some of these outfits.

[DogSun]

Not all college SBs are headed toward a sex career though. Not all of them are even college SBs, some of them have waitress or bartender jobs or retail jobs which pay the basic bills but they still like fucking older guys and have a fantasy about a better life with one, whether that involves a long term relationship, or just a travel partner that can take them to see things they would not otherwise be able to see.

Yes we can say the line is blurred between the two extremes, but that's really an over-simplification of the facts. The fact is that there is a spectrum, and we could say that all females fall somewhere on that spectrum. If we give the spectrum a numeric scale, we could say:

0 - a streetwalker. Fucks anyone with money.

1 - BP escort. Fucks anyone with money.

2 - UTR escort, might work only on referrals or fuck anyone with money but is careful not to advertise as such. Might attempt legal ads like SB and CL.

3 - Stripper that does a little free lancing outside the club.

4 - True sugar baby or financially dependent girlfriend. Likes dating above her wealth level and being spoiled, but does not cross the legal boundaries of prostitution or do direct pay for play.

5 - Typical wife or girlfriend.

6 - Sugar momma who is independently wealthy but spends her money fucking cubs or men who otherwise wouldn't look twice at her. Most likely donut and bagel addicted.

Everyone from a 0 to 5 has two fundamentals in common -- they have a pussy and they like money but they don't have it. 6 almost has that in common except they have money so we can filter them out of the discussion for now.

So the question is, what categorization of women should be allowed to use the SD sites, knowing that terms of service is designed explicitly for #4 on the SB side of the equation (not including sugar mommas looking for young meat but honestly I wish they would give those their own site).

Ok, so we know that #2 and #3 creep into the SD sites sometimes. But how can anyone who wants the SD sites to sustain support them becoming polluted with #0 and #1? It will only result in the wrong kind of legal attention. #0 and #1 already have perfectly good areas to conduct their business, why must they infect ours?

So, it is not really accurate to say the line is blurred. The line is crystal clear and it is defined by the law. Sugarbabying is perfectly legal and the sites allow that behavior. They do not allow breaking the law and anyone who does is endangering the hobby and the future viability of these sites.

I wonder how many people want to stand up in front of a judge and say "well your honor the way I see things the line is kind of blurred about what the law is or is not". Hint of the day -- it won't fly and it isn't an acceptable excuse. Ignorance of the law is not an acceptable crutch.

The sites themselves will never be able to eradicate the pro's from joining. The best they can do is not allow the offer of sex for money on profiles, and they're pretty good about that. So really, the only way to keep them off is to make it too much work for them. And this can only be accomplished through the men on the site. If the men insist on meet and greets before going to the FC, and don't discuss pay for play through messaging, the pro's will have to put in too much work to make it worth their while. Especially when they have to compete with the majority of women on the site who aren't professionals. All of the pro's on SA in my area do not last. I've recognized quite a few who's ads I've seen on BP, or who's phone numbers I've gotten and then googled only to see their escort ads. Most of these women are on the site consistently for a month or so before they delete their profile or stop logging on. So the best way to keep the pro's off the site? Keep the john's off the site. Or at the very least, educate the john's on proper behavior. Easier said then done of course, but if the typical monger starts seeing these sites as an alternative to BP, then the escorts will start to show up in droves.

[JZLizard]

My personal opinion -Yes- each to his own. A label is just that but it is good to know in your own mind how to process your activities. Does that make us Johns if we see 1 SB? Probably. If a girl is collecting men to pay her and is willing to have sex to do it then she is a pro by definition. The only way to avoid that definition is the existence of a relationship that is not solely dependent on a sex / money dynamic. Most SBs would not see any of us unless they were getting paid. And we would not pay them without the expectation of sex. An exception to that rule is the true IRL bar / dating site pickup. I know my SBs "like" me and many are thrilled with the sex, but I have yet had one offer to drop the allowance. I know it happens because some of you report it, but those girls see some of you as a potential IRL "catch".

For those of you who see Escorts you know the difference in mentality between a naive college girl wanting to pay for her tuition and taking a dick for the effort vs a working Pro with a Pimp, website, agency, etc. The SB college girl is just starting on that slippery slope to being a Pro. It isn't long before she sees how easy it is to bang some geeze and pocket an easy $$$ ,then another and another. Same with us guys. If I had the time and $ I would see a different SB every day ala Hollywood in his prime. I want to catch the SB at the naive stage where she hasn't acquired the hooker mentality, and actually can still respond emotionally and actually enjoy the ride.

Not all college SBs are headed toward a sex career though. Not all of them are even college SBs, some of them have waitress or bartender jobs or retail jobs which pay the basic bills but they still like fucking older guys and have a fantasy about a better life with one, whether that involves a long term relationship, or just a travel partner that can take them to see things they would not otherwise be able to see.

Yes we can say the line is blurred between the two extremes, but that's really an over-simplification of the facts. The fact is that there is a spectrum, and we could say that all females fall somewhere on that spectrum. If we give the spectrum a numeric scale, we could say:

0 - a streetwalker. Fucks anyone with money.

1 - BP escort. Fucks anyone with money.

2 - UTR escort, might work only on referrals or fuck anyone with money but is careful not to advertise as such. Might attempt legal ads like SB and CL.

3 - Stripper that does a little free lancing outside the club.

4 - True sugar baby or financially dependent girlfriend. Likes dating above her wealth level and being spoiled, but does not cross the legal boundaries of prostitution or do direct pay for play.

5 - Typical wife or girlfriend.

6 - Sugar momma who is independently wealthy but spends her money fucking cubs or men who otherwise wouldn't look twice at her. Most likely donut and bagel addicted.

Everyone from a 0 to 5 has two fundamentals in common -- they have a pussy and they like money but they don't have it. 6 almost has that in common except they have money so we can filter them out of the discussion for now.

So the question is, what categorization of women should be allowed to use the SD sites, knowing that terms of service is designed explicitly for #4 on the SB side of the equation (not including sugar mommas looking for young meat but honestly I wish they would give those their own site).

Ok, so we know that #2 and #3 creep into the SD sites sometimes. But how can anyone who wants the SD sites to sustain support them becoming polluted with #0 and #1? It will only result in the wrong kind of legal attention. #0 and #1 already have perfectly good areas to conduct their business, why must they infect ours?

So, it is not really accurate to say the line is blurred. The line is crystal clear and it is defined by the law. Sugarbabying is perfectly legal and the sites allow that behavior. They do not allow breaking the law and anyone who does is endangering the hobby and the future viability of these sites.

I wonder how many people want to stand up in front of a judge and say "well your honor the way I see things the line is kind of blurred about what the law is or is not". Hint of the day -- it won't fly and it isn't an acceptable excuse. Ignorance of the law is not an acceptable crutch.

[HollywoodGuy]

Girls on my A list.

1. A super hot Latina that's engaged, has a kid with and lives with her fiance.
Says she can sneak out this Saturday. Thats a big maybe.

2. My little Church Girl that went back to church.
She will come back to me one day, but who knows when.

3. My ATF who I banged 2 days ago in spite of her injuries from her motorcycle accident.
Can't really push her till she gets better.

4. My X GF/SB that I haven't fucked in a year. Supposed to see her this week.

5. My X Roomy. She is a prisoner of love and living with her new BF.

6. My Virgin. Out of town till tomorrow. This may be all over anyway.

7. My MILF who is now a Nando 1. Way too boozy and woozy for me.

So for now its back to prospecting and banging this little mexican UTR girl I met off CL a week or so ago. She is hot in most every way, but it's strictly business. Date number three looks like a for sure for tonite. I am lucky I met her during this transitional phase.

[NiceGuy804]

"Average" for WHAT?

LOL! Last week for only the 2nd time I ended a date as soon as the girl got in the car. This one described herself as "average". I should have guessed when her profile had only face shots and the one private pic she was in very loose clothing. As she came walking out to the car she was obviously way past "a few extra pounds" and solidly into "overweight". She got in the car and I told her I was sorry, but this just wasn't going to work. She did take it fairly well.

Good Hunting!

Travelin.

[HollywoodGuy]

I want to catch the SB at the naive stage where she hasn't acquired the hooker mentality, and actually can still respond emotionally and actually enjoy the ride.

That is the name of the game. The longer I do it, the easier it gets in some ways and harder in others. (no puns intended).

[Dsprdo]

Most SBs would not see any of us unless they were getting paid. And we would not pay them without the expectation of sex.I have yet had one offer to drop the allowance.

I've had one that I reported on, and she's coming over today. She's kind of a train wreck, headed for divorce, wants to feel wanted and to get laid, which she isn't at home. I have a hotter, younger SB that I would rather see, but I can't turn away a goft horse like that, can I? Funny thing is if I were still giving her allowance we would probaably be done.

[Dsprdo]

I want to catch the SB at the naive stage where she hasn't acquired the hooker mentality, and actually can still respond emotionally and actually enjoy the ride.

That is the real difference between this and just hitting pro's in a nutshell. There have been several SB threads started in other cities over the past few months and a comment I think I've seen on all of them (and probably on this one, too) is "the SB thing takes too much time and effort, it's easier for me to stick to a tried and true pro. " Easier, yes, but IMHO the difference in the experience is more than worth the effort and there is no comparison between the two.

[FredMoore]

I don't know. Not being difficult but why can't a SB have two daddies? Escorts to me have several guys / customers, but a girl that steadily sees just two daddies is one also?

My personal opinion -Yes- each to his own. A label is just that but it is good to know in your own mind how to process your activities. Does that make us Johns if we see 1 SB? Probably. If a girl is collecting men to pay her and is willing to have sex to do it then she is a pro by definition. The only way to avoid that definition is the existence of a relationship that is not solely dependent on a sex / money dynamic. Most SBs would not see any of us unless they were getting paid. And we would not pay them without the expectation of sex. An exception to that rule is the true IRL bar / dating site pickup. I know my SBs "like" me and many are thrilled with the sex, but I have yet had one offer to drop the allowance. I know it happens because some of you report it, but those girls see some of you as a potential IRL "catch".

For those of you who see Escorts you know the difference in mentality between a naive college girl wanting to pay for her tuition and taking a dick for the effort vs a working Pro with a Pimp, website, agency, etc. The SB college girl is just starting on that slippery slope to being a Pro. It isn't long before she sees how easy it is to bang some geeze and pocket an easy $$$ ,then another and another. Same with us guys. If I had the time and $ I would see a different SB every day ala Hollywood in his prime. I want to catch the SB at the naive stage where she hasn't acquired the hooker mentality, and actually can still respond emotionally and actually enjoy the ride.

[Lebruno]

Personally I think that's some interesting scores that makes the subscription worthwhile.

BTW, do you subscribe to SA? And, in which area do you normally fish?

My first monthly subscription ended about two weeks ago and here's the update.

Ton of messaging, almost like drinking from a fire hose. Lots of utr's, maybe one or two worth following up.

Had one from the wrong side of town tell me she thought rimming me out would be way hot. Almost thought about going for it but the pics didn't really move the needle.

Ton's of flakes, including day of. Had one show up that was the thing that ate the chick in her pictures she sent.

6 m&g's, 4 ending in BJ's in the parking lot, 2 worthy of seeing again.

Probably the best of the 4, 24 yo 8 face, 9 body. Had her bobbin for jizz, cheering her on with some dirty talk (that's it baby, suck daddy's dick, oh yea, suck daddy's dick) Helping her with additional torque and velocity.

She got hotter and more into it as we went and she finished up by swallowing all the gravy. We talked for a while after and all seemed right with the world, after our episode she ask if she could call me daddy from time to time, (my dick just moved) but she fell off when she made the mental leap that she wasn't just sucking some guys dick, she was going to get money, making her a bit of a prostitute. I don't think she could handle it. We exchanged a message recently and who knows maybe she'll come back.

Two are worth a follow up but require hotel arrangements so I'm going to try to keep them on hot standby while I work the remaining prospects.

Having an s o limits my availability so I have to pick and choose. The idea of a baby with her own place is a definite plus, but not always easy to find.

[HollywoodGuy]

LOL! Last week for only the 2nd time I ended a date as soon as the girl got in the car. This one described herself as "average". I should have guessed when her profile had only face shots and the one private pic she was in very loose clothing. As she came walking out to the car she was obviously way past "a few extra pounds" and solidly into "overweight". She got in the car and I told her I was sorry, but this just wasn't going to work. She did take it fairly well.

Good Hunting!

Travelin.

Early on I got fooled or just wasnt thinking and had the same experience, more than once. Always have good pics before meeting. LOL.

[TravelinSD]

An update from my weekend.

The 31 year old turned out to look much better than her pictures and more petite than her picture looked.

LOL! Last week for only the 2nd time I ended a date as soon as the girl got in the car. This one described herself as "average". I should have guessed when her profile had only face shots and the one private pic she was in very loose clothing. As she came walking out to the car she was obviously way past "a few extra pounds" and solidly into "overweight". She got in the car and I told her I was sorry, but this just wasn't going to work. She did take it fairly well.

Good Hunting!

Travelin.

[Mike7794]

I usually just move on from the obvious girls just looking for a platonic relationship, but this one was so ridiculous I almost had to respond. Almost. I did just move on, but thought you all would get a laugh out of this. This was posted in her profile.

"I have a lot of inquiries so if your interest is serious I'm asking a $400 deposit before I speak to anyone. Thanks!

What I'm looking for.

Just a young girl that wants to be spoiled and have fun! Not looking to be in a committed relationship or a sexual one, just want to be someone's arm candy when they need it / want it! * Important: I have very strong morals and boundaries that I'm not willing to change for anything that anyone has to offer, I'm saving myself so the only type of relationship (friendship) I'm interested in is an intellectual one not physical. ".

Good Hunting!

Travelin.

I've seen some of those myself in my area. It is tempting to respond. Amazing.

[TravelinSD]

I usually just move on from the obvious girls just looking for a platonic relationship, but this one was so ridiculous I almost had to respond. Almost. I did just move on, but thought you all would get a laugh out of this. This was posted in her profile.

"I have a lot of inquiries so if your interest is serious I'm asking a $400 deposit before I speak to anyone. Thanks!

What I'm looking for.

Just a young girl that wants to be spoiled and have fun! Not looking to be in a committed relationship or a sexual one, just want to be someone's arm candy when they need it / want it! * Important: I have very strong morals and boundaries that I'm not willing to change for anything that anyone has to offer, I'm saving myself so the only type of relationship (friendship) I'm interested in is an intellectual one not physical. ".

Good Hunting!

Travelin.

[Mike7794]

Very nice HG, very nice indeed. I love the shiny jet black hair Asians have.

JL you have me laughing at the pulse comment.

Sunday 23 yo, 5'3" slim, Asian.

Later today I'll be meeting a POT 28 yo, 5'5" athletic build?

And trying to confirm times for Saturday with 21 yo, 5'4" slim.

An update from my weekend.

The Asian I met went very well. We sat for a few hours talking on a patio at a bar. She is a Phillipino Asian. 9 face, 8 body, 9 intellect. Her Asian features turned many a head, but it was her intellect that turned me on. We met yesterday and set up another meeting for Wednesday that ultimately got moved to today. We hit the FC and it was pretty prime. We spent a few hours in the city first, because we click so well we both enjoy each other's company. Kind of an old soul as she is into collecting vinyl records, 1980 sports cars, and is turned off by social ineptness, and a daddy not being able to distinguish between "your" and "you're" LOL (her words). I don't sense the possessiveness of this Asian as has been discussed earlier in this thread. She might be a keeper.

The 28 year old 5'5" naked 10 body. High drama as she couldn't meet this past Friday as she had car issues of it being repossessed and working on getting it back, then Saturday she went to Tennessee to be with her father that died that day, then Sunday after getting her car back on Friday it broke down in TN. Today she was deathly sick. Normally I would move on, but that little 10 body is worth being patient for. I want to do this one in the worst way. I would give her a score of 10/9/5.

The 21 year old 5'4" I was supposed to meet on Saturday. She is having fear issues of being new to the site, but seems like a really nice young woman. I will also be patient with this one as her little body is another 10 killer for me. I like this one's personality. Kind of a clean girl who needs a daddy to help her break through the barrier. I would give her a score of 10/9. I can't give the last score because I haven't talked to her enough to have a score in that area. She has been silent since Saturday.

That left me with a zero for Friday night with the 28 yo, and not being able to hook up with her for Saturday and the 21 yo on Friday, so I set up a FC with my regular senior to be university student for Saturday. At the same time I set up a new appointment with a 31 year old 5'2" slim POT (pic below) I started talking to for Sunday in case the Asian flaked on me. She didn't and I then had two M& G that day. The 31 year old turned out to look much better than her pictures and more petite than her picture looked. Connected well over dinner and talked for maybe three hours. We set up a FC session for tomorrow.

I'm still working on that 28 yo. Tomorrow's out since I'm seeing the 31 yo and I have too much going on at work during the day with meetings to attend, so I'm hoping to see her on Wednesday. If I get that 28 yo in the sack she is going to pay from daddy for putting daddy off for so long.