"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[TravelinSD]

I usually just move on from the obvious girls just looking for a platonic relationship, but this one was so ridiculous I almost had to respond. Almost. I did just move on, but thought you all would get a laugh out of this. This was posted in her profile.

"I have a lot of inquiries so if your interest is serious I'm asking a $400 deposit before I speak to anyone. Thanks!

What I'm looking for.

Just a young girl that wants to be spoiled and have fun! Not looking to be in a committed relationship or a sexual one, just want to be someone's arm candy when they need it / want it! * Important: I have very strong morals and boundaries that I'm not willing to change for anything that anyone has to offer, I'm saving myself so the only type of relationship (friendship) I'm interested in is an intellectual one not physical. ".

Good Hunting!

Travelin.

[Mike7794]

Very nice HG, very nice indeed. I love the shiny jet black hair Asians have.

JL you have me laughing at the pulse comment.

Sunday 23 yo, 5'3" slim, Asian.

Later today I'll be meeting a POT 28 yo, 5'5" athletic build?

And trying to confirm times for Saturday with 21 yo, 5'4" slim.

An update from my weekend.

The Asian I met went very well. We sat for a few hours talking on a patio at a bar. She is a Phillipino Asian. 9 face, 8 body, 9 intellect. Her Asian features turned many a head, but it was her intellect that turned me on. We met yesterday and set up another meeting for Wednesday that ultimately got moved to today. We hit the FC and it was pretty prime. We spent a few hours in the city first, because we click so well we both enjoy each other's company. Kind of an old soul as she is into collecting vinyl records, 1980 sports cars, and is turned off by social ineptness, and a daddy not being able to distinguish between "your" and "you're" LOL (her words). I don't sense the possessiveness of this Asian as has been discussed earlier in this thread. She might be a keeper.

The 28 year old 5'5" naked 10 body. High drama as she couldn't meet this past Friday as she had car issues of it being repossessed and working on getting it back, then Saturday she went to Tennessee to be with her father that died that day, then Sunday after getting her car back on Friday it broke down in TN. Today she was deathly sick. Normally I would move on, but that little 10 body is worth being patient for. I want to do this one in the worst way. I would give her a score of 10/9/5.

The 21 year old 5'4" I was supposed to meet on Saturday. She is having fear issues of being new to the site, but seems like a really nice young woman. I will also be patient with this one as her little body is another 10 killer for me. I like this one's personality. Kind of a clean girl who needs a daddy to help her break through the barrier. I would give her a score of 10/9. I can't give the last score because I haven't talked to her enough to have a score in that area. She has been silent since Saturday.

That left me with a zero for Friday night with the 28 yo, and not being able to hook up with her for Saturday and the 21 yo on Friday, so I set up a FC with my regular senior to be university student for Saturday. At the same time I set up a new appointment with a 31 year old 5'2" slim POT (pic below) I started talking to for Sunday in case the Asian flaked on me. She didn't and I then had two M& G that day. The 31 year old turned out to look much better than her pictures and more petite than her picture looked. Connected well over dinner and talked for maybe three hours. We set up a FC session for tomorrow.

I'm still working on that 28 yo. Tomorrow's out since I'm seeing the 31 yo and I have too much going on at work during the day with meetings to attend, so I'm hoping to see her on Wednesday. If I get that 28 yo in the sack she is going to pay from daddy for putting daddy off for so long.

[Mike7794]

She is smart enough to realize that the lines are blurred between Sugar and Hooker. We all know escorts use Sugar sites for recruiting. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference. I met a cute 27 yr old 8/8/7/7 on a Sugar site-many of you know her, fucked her a few times, and saw her transition to an UTR site, then to BP, and blew up as a full on hooker. At least 5 guys were writing about her on another USA site. She is a single Mom, had a decent professional job, then went downhill. Sad. She must've gotten on drugs IMO.

The point is -you can't tell sometimes. If they are seeing 2 or more guys for money they are escorts.

I don't know. Not being difficult but why can't a SB have two daddies? Escorts to me have several guys / customers, but a girl that steadily sees just two daddies is one also?

[Mike7794]

Agreed.

And while you're at it chastise her for not being smart enough to realize that sugar babying and escorting are two different things, and tell her to stick to BP.

I had to do that within the past two days with two girls that contacted me. I did my part of encouraging her off the site and to stay with BP. All of us need to do our part of keeping the escorts off this site.

[Mike7794]

I get what you mean and agree when considered in a certain context. There are plenty of true SBs out there that might even join in on the fun with other girls if the circumstances are right. But, what I didn't communicate very well is that I was speaking mostly about Asian SBs. Yours might be a bit different in the sense that she grew up (I'm assuming) in the USA. But, if she is as innocent as she claims, and from a rich family as she claims, she would be subject to some of the cultural anomalies of her "non-Americanized" counterparts.

To an Asian girl, most of the traits you've described above would not impress them. Bad boys / playboys / etc. Who get all the pussy they can find time for are all over their male dominated culture, so being "that guy" doesn't buy much with them. They have in their minds that they should always be an SB to a large extent, even in a "regular" civy relationship, it's up to the male to take care of them. Its a cultural thing. They are also more likely to get jealous or possessive, particularly after you're fucking them, than an American girl would, and less likely to be open-minded to threesomes and what not. They can also get weird even if you are in a fairly open arrangement with them when it comes to being accepting of you having unprotected sex with other girls, partially because of the perceived health risk to them. I can remember dating one who was cheating on her fianc with me. She knew another girl was coming to stay the weekend with me and she didn't even bat an eye, until later it dawned on her that I was probably going bareback with the other girl just as I had been doing with her, then she started freaking out giving me lectures about HIV and so forth.

Now all of this is shamefully stereotypical and you will absolutely find exceptions (particularly if they grew up in the US), but once you've been with countless numbers of them you will start to notice patterns of generalizations that do seem to hold up overall.

Oh yeah, and you've already encountered some of the menstrual madness. Get ready for a lot more of that rollercoaster with Asians. lol.... it can get pretty bad. Worse IMO than with USA girls.

A lot of what you say is true as I have experienced that with my ex (Chinese), as she comes back to visit me once or twice a month even though she is engaged with someone new. I get the same lectures about using protection with the other girls. She doesn't believe me and wants me to use protection with her. We never did that before, but I also get a touch of jealousy from her even though she's doing her new fiance. But she was like that when we were married as our marriage was fairly open.

[SouthShoreAlex]

My first monthly subscription ended about two weeks ago and here's the update.

Ton of messaging, almost like drinking from a fire hose. Lots of utr's, maybe one or two worth following up.

Had one from the wrong side of town tell me she thought rimming me out would be way hot. Almost thought about going for it but the pics didn't really move the needle.

Ton's of flakes, including day of. Had one show up that was the thing that ate the chick in her pictures she sent.

6 m&g's, 4 ending in BJ's in the parking lot, 2 worthy of seeing again.

Probably the best of the 4, 24 yo 8 face, 9 body. Had her bobbin for jizz, cheering her on with some dirty talk (that's it baby, suck daddy's dick, oh yea, suck daddy's dick) Helping her with additional torque and velocity.

She got hotter and more into it as we went and she finished up by swallowing all the gravy. We talked for a while after and all seemed right with the world, after our episode she ask if she could call me daddy from time to time, (my dick just moved) but she fell off when she made the mental leap that she wasn't just sucking some guys dick, she was going to get money, making her a bit of a prostitute. I don't think she could handle it. We exchanged a message recently and who knows maybe she'll come back.

Two are worth a follow up but require hotel arrangements so I'm going to try to keep them on hot standby while I work the remaining prospects.

Having an s o limits my availability so I have to pick and choose. The idea of a baby with her own place is a definite plus, but not always easy to find.

[JZLizard]

She is smart enough to realize that the lines are blurred between Sugar and Hooker. We all know escorts use Sugar sites for recruiting. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference. I met a cute 27 yr old 8/8/7/7 on a Sugar site-many of you know her, fucked her a few times, and saw her transition to an UTR site, then to BP, and blew up as a full on hooker. At least 5 guys were writing about her on another USA site. She is a single Mom, had a decent professional job, then went downhill. Sad. She must've gotten on drugs IMO.

The point is -you can't tell sometimes. If they are seeing 2 or more guys for money they are escorts.

It's not a matter of whether idiots do it or not, it's a matter of whether they should. I'm saying chastise her for entitling herself to ignore the terms of service of the site while simultaneously agreeing to them.

It takes an enormously self-centered person to go through life believing the rules don't apply to her. Not surprising, from a gold digging hooker, but at the same time those who understand and respect the differences should feel empowered to strike back and preserve their hobby however they need to.

As far as SD's the advice to avoid these girls is good, because they've had loads in their mouth from every variety of crackhead and needle-marked degenerate out there. Most SDs I think are looking for some cleaner poon than that.

[FredMoore]

I think lots of them start out with the great expectations filling their heads and then find out that they aren't going to be able to live off of one guy. If they are desperate for cash it's easy for them to make the mental leap from a single SD to multiples. Pretty soon they are an UTR.

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Totally true -It is easy money until they encounter an abusive user. And think about it -if we "had" to screw every hag that came along life would not seem so grand. At least we choose who we are going to bless with our family jewels. Once you start down the road where you take all cum-ers it could be pretty miserable. I think it is too tempting for these girls -particularly the young ones-to pass up the big bucks just for lying on their backs. You can see how it goes -making $120 X 4 =$480 / month. Pick up another and another $500 -1000. Tempting. I wish someone would pay me to screw them.

[Dsprdo]

If they are seeing 2 or more guys for money they are escorts.

I think lots of them start out with the great expectations filling their heads and then find out that they aren't going to be able to live off of one guy. If they are desperate for cash it's easy for them to make the mental leap from a single SD to multiples. Pretty soon they are an UTR.

My favorite for a while was an 18 year old latina who told me I was her first SD. I kind of believed her but you never know. I kept seeing her active on SA so I gathered she was either looking for more than one or a better deal than my 120. Sure enough, before long she broke it off with me, saying she had met someone who was willing to give her 300. I tried to use the "he's looking for a notch and will dump you" logic on her, to know avail. A few weeks later she changed her profile heading to "this was a mistake", then deleted the profile. Recently she started texting me again, had moved back in with her parents, was on lockdown, and was feeling low. I offered to take her to lunch, NSA, no sugar. We had a nice lunch and I dropped her back off near her house. That afternoon she texted me that she was thinking about being a SB again because she owes her sister money and wanted to get out from under the debt. I told her I would take her back on the same terms. At first she said no, she had gotten greedy (her words) and didn't want to ask me for more money. I countered with the offer to see her more frequently than before but at the same rate until her debt was paid, and she agreed. She is supposed to come over later this afternoon for our first meeting in months. So while I think she crossed the line a while back, I think she found it was not to her liking and wants something more on the lines of a real SB arrangement. She may go UTR again in the future, but for now I don't think she will be seeing anyone else just because her parents are keeping her on such a tight leash. We shall see.

[FredMoore]

Agreed.

And while you're at it chastise her for not being smart enough to realize that sugar babying and escorting are two different things, and tell her to stick to BP.

She is smart enough to realize that the lines are blurred between Sugar and Hooker. We all know escorts use Sugar sites for recruiting. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference. I met a cute 27 yr old 8/8/7/7 on a Sugar site-many of you know her, fucked her a few times, and saw her transition to an UTR site, then to BP, and blew up as a full on hooker. At least 5 guys were writing about her on another USA site. She is a single Mom, had a decent professional job, then went downhill. Sad. She must've gotten on drugs IMO.

The point is -you can't tell sometimes. If they are seeing 2 or more guys for money they are escorts.

[JZLizard]

Forget about her.

Agreed.

And while you're at it chastise her for not being smart enough to realize that sugar babying and escorting are two different things, and tell her to stick to BP.

[JZLizard]

At what point does an SB become something more professional? Is the difference how you meet her? Or how many guys she is seeing?

I have met SBs from the SA site that seem to be very low volume. I've met SBs from craigslist that seem to be very low mileage.

I would consider backpage contacts as escorts or UTR- no plans on trying that.

Take out from restaurants- always a fun challenge and I consider them UTR.

I would like to make sure future posts go in the right section.

Hound.

I'd highly recommend using the Index and FAQ thread to catch up on a lot of these topics, many of them have been discussed at length and you can get a feel for each differing opinion:

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...-Index-and-FAQ

[HollywoodGuy]

Its been just over a year since I broke up with my GF/SB. I ended it due to poor performance in the FC. But we have been talking the entire time. Recently I suggested she come by just for a casual visit. Maybe tomorrow. I know she has a GF right now, but a lot of insecure young girls will retreat to that when their personal confidence is low, if they are emotionally dissatisfied or their overall disdain for men in general gets too high.

I have some experience with bi-girls as my first wife was a true blue bi, and still is to this day. After 5 years of being married to her and 40 years of talking to her I have a pretty good idea of what goes on in some girls minds about this, that are not full on lez.

At this point my conversations with my x SB are not "sugar coated" and I think there is still a chance for a reunification of sorts. With a girl this fine its worth it to me to hang in there. Our feelings for each other were very strong. Also I miss the whole GF dynamic.

Looks wise, she is my version of a 10/10. Face Body. Turns 22 this month. 5'5" & 102.

[HollywoodGuy]

Timely topic, I've been chatting with the SB and just got her digits. A quick google shows she's advertised on BP under escorts.

Any advise on how to maximize my enjoyment with her?

Forget about her.

[Telcova]

Timely topic, I've been chatting with the SB and just got her digits. A quick google shows she's advertised on BP under escorts.

Any advise on how to maximize my enjoyment with her?