"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Nice 499]

I'm new to this so was looking for some advice. I set a time for a M&G with SB. She responded asking if I would be bringing a donation. Is this typical? Not sure I'm willing to pay anything unless I get ROI.

[FredMoore]

Went out for M&G. Pics were blurred, body 10/10. In person, face 5. 7/10. We met at a coffee shop near her college. She's 22, full-time student, lives with parents. We have coffee and friendly chat. We then exit for a bar, while walking she tells me she has a friend that she's meeting later on. We're having drinks and appetizers and this later on turns into 30 minutes. I notice an older guy walks up to her and says "Hello". It wasn't like a casual "Hi". I think this is odd. So she leaves a few minutes later to meet her "friend". I'm finishing up my food and grab another drink. I eventually wrap the tab up. As I'm leaving in my periphery I see her and the guy at a table.

This chick double booked us. The guy was much older, I'd say 70. He's probably a veteran of The Bowl. I give her crap about it later and she wants a second date, she sends a couple of nudes via email and we're now talking about booking a hotel this week. It's funny cause no sex talk came up till I gave her crap about double booking. Now I'm set for FC tomm.

The girls are playing the same game we are. They want more money and we want more sex. IMHO girls use sex to get money and we do the opposite. It is truly unusual to find a girl who flat out just loves sex for it's own sake and wants nothing in return. 50 Shades has opened up their minds to the fantasy world that they are looking for. Lots of wining, dining, and presents in return for a roll in the hay with a wealthy hot stud. The reality is shocking to them when they see the 70 yr old geezer walk in the coffee shop for a M&G. This guy is not Christian Gray. Perhaps he is more like Jim Belushi or Chevy Chase.

[HoyaSvnFgr]

Went out for M&G. Pics were blurred, body 10/10. In person, face 5. 7/10. We met at a coffee shop near her college. She's 22, full-time student, lives with parents. We have coffee and friendly chat. We then exit for a bar, while walking she tells me she has a friend that she's meeting later on. We're having drinks and appetizers and this later on turns into 30 minutes. I notice an older guy walks up to her and says "Hello". It wasn't like a casual "Hi". I think this is odd. So she leaves a few minutes later to meet her "friend". I'm finishing up my food and grab another drink. I eventually wrap the tab up. As I'm leaving in my periphery I see her and the guy at a table.

This chick double booked us. The guy was much older, I'd say 70. He's probably a veteran of The Bowl. I give her crap about it later and she wants a second date, she sends a couple of nudes via email and we're now talking about booking a hotel this week. It's funny cause no sex talk came up till I gave her crap about double booking. Now I'm set for FC tomm.

[Donwhite]

Good news. My tests came back negative and it was kidney stones. I got a antibiotic shot for nothing.

[Stixxer]

OK so if you look at my post history, you'll quickly figure I'm not from your geographic region. Actually, I'm from West KY and I sometimes make it to Nashville, TN for a little fun.

Divorced (happily) with one young child and I have a casual sugar relationship that has been going on for almost 2 years now. In case you wonder, no, that did not start until after me and my wife were separated.

So I'm wanting to branch out and I've done some searching on some Arrangement type websites. The most promising one is sugar daddy for me com. Reason being the escort thing is nice once in a while, but it is so hit and miss unless I make a day of it and drive to Nashville for truly good providers. Also, because I go for the more upscale type of lady, it is kind of costly for the amount of time involved. I'm thinking a SD / SB arrangement could prove more mutually enjoyable for more or less about the same financial commitment.

So what do you experienced Daddies recommend in terms of setting up your profile? One thing my casual lady friend has suggested (has profiles on a couple sites) is to get the premium type membership where female members can respond to my messages without being a paying member themselves. She says "if a guy can't spend a bit more for the all-encompassing membership, then it makes me think he's cheap. " But as far as pics, what to say, that sort of thing. What do you recommend?

Thanks and be safe.

[Stixxer]

Hands down, best post I've seen in a long time. I've only dabbled in the sd scene because my SO and kids don't leave me much free time. Also in the back of my head, I've been concerned about this very issue.

I'm glad you brought up this topic as I'm quite positive I'd find myself in the exact same struggle if I had the time. Fortunately and unfortunately my other commitments won't allow these problems at the time. I get to live through you guys by reading this thread weekly. Monger on my brother, we will always be here to listen about the next horrible 22 yo with a perfect body that craves constant sex. You poor thing, LOL.

So it sounds like what you're saying is your family is keeping you out of trouble. For better or worse, and I would say "for better" because that is important to try to keep that ship floating along. A little on the side when you can, but you got to stay out of trouble, too.

I wish you the best.

[NutInHer]

Hands down, best post I've seen in a long time. I've only dabbled in the sd scene because my SO and kids don't leave me much free time. Also in the back of my head, I've been concerned about this very issue. As men we have the ability to compartmentalize and separate love and sex. For the most part women do not. Eventually as time goes on and the sex is amazing, feelings will begin to creep in for both parties. This is probably when it's best to cut and run if you use the big brain. Unfortunately the little brain wins most battles and clouds our judgement. This clouded judgment window is clearly dirtdeeds weakness which we all exhibit on some level. Women can sense this clouded judgement window as well, because usually our eyes are rolling towards the back of our head, LOL. Males have been struggling with this for centuries. So a hot 20 yo with an amazing rack wants to extract your man juice on a consistent basis, Darwin won't allow you to cut and run Dirtydeeds. You clearly have the money and the time for these young beauties, history will inevitably repeat itself in your case. It's a good problem to have and a curse at the same time. Variety will eventually end all of your relationships with these young hotties. Clearly you allow it to get to a point where you have genuine feelings for these girls as well. It's easy for me to sit on the outside and tell you to walk away earlier, but we are all guilty of allowing the penis to dictate our lives. I'm glad you brought up this topic as I'm quite positive I'd find myself in the exact same struggle if I had the time. Fortunately and unfortunately my other commitments won't allow these problems at the time. I get to live through you guys by reading this thread weekly. Monger on my brother, we will always be here to listen about the next horrible 22 yo with a perfect body that craves constant sex. You poor thing, LOL.

A bit burned out at the moment, but not in necessarily a bad way. I now deem myself somewhat of a professional SD, WITH issues. The girls keep falling for me and I keep playing along with it. I have even went so far as to rent my own very nice townhouse on the side, furnished it, etc, all so I'd have a place 24/7 to bring the girls back. It's for no other purpose.

I've noticed a common denominator with these girls, especially the ones that get clingy and want relationships. Some of them are really sad inside, sweet, and kind young women, but, THEY ARE FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD! I've had marriage proposals and everything in between.

The latest girl is 24 in school, 5'2" very petite, big tits on her small frame, a bit of a loose box, but that's ok, she is a fucking freak in bed. I can't really even keep up with her. And now she too, is saying she's in love. Who am I ask? That this has now happened four times to me? I got maybe a slightly above average dick in size, yeah, I'm in shape for my age, I don't allow these girls to push me around, I stand my own and can be kind and gentle etc, but I do test their limits. I'm not God's gift to woman and this keeps happening. And if you think they just want my money, in all four of these instances now, they asked me to stop giving it to them cause they wanted it to be real. WTF?

For those out there entertaining the idea of this hobby, a big huge warning. As you get further into this and connect with a few of these fine young women. (not just the wham bam types, but a connection) you will NEVER, I repeat NEVER be able to go back to a partnership type relationship with a woman you own age. And for a moment you might think something real, can come of it as then reality of your age kicks in. And then the twenty something you've become attached is there and then you'll wake up and realize too much of your life has gone by and it isn't happening. A true defining moment of something "bitter sweet" But my brothers, that can be internally painful to realize when you have some starry eyes beauty wanting future plans with you, who will suck the cum out of every night and you have to face reality, in a few years, you'll be knocking on deaths door and she will just be beginning her life. It's a tough pill to swallow. Trust me.

So my advise, work very hard to keep the feelings at bay and if you sense them coming on. RUN, no matter how good she is.

If you know how to play this game, it can be the most rewarding experiences of you life as a man. It can take you back and let you see how you could have and maybe should have done things. It will make you think you can win over beautiful 20-something women and awe them, but at the end of the day, it will forever remain bitter sweet. So learn how to deal with all that before you start getting serious with any of these women.

[VaSD1]

Hello! This is my first post, so I'm hoping I can get some guidance. I've been on a SB site for a month. I'm mid 30's, going through the divorce process. I figured I'd join to get back into the swing of things.

In summary, it's been overwhelming. I'd prefer one single girl for SB, but I don't think it's realistic. I've had about 7 dates and only 2 were adamant about an "arrangement". The most have ended up being dates or hookups for food or drinks. I got BBBJ CIM from 4/7 on the first or second date. I generally lose interest and hit the "search" button again and add another 2-3 to the chat rotation for the eventual meet up.

Is it recommended I continue this method till I find a solid SB? Granted my scope is early 20's, most are just happy to go to a nice dinner and night on the town. It's just been my luck that it's been leading to a BJ in the taxi or at their dorm / apt. I suppose my age is a benefit. I still look like I'm in my 20's, also I sense the girls are relieved because they've been doing strange things for some change with much older guys.

The one SB I had FC with told me her prev SD was in his 60's. On our first date, she begged me to take the condom off; figured it was just in the moment. Following am, after I ran out of condoms she's trying to rub me on her to insert. I snatched my junk back. I had to stop seeing her because I really liked the sex (this girls mouth was filthy. Age 20). But she was a 6/10 face / body and 9/10 bed. Now she sends texts saying she's in a jam financially as if I owe her.

Is it best to set a per date amount "or" should I continue eating the free lunch until I find a SB to settle for a longer period of time. Multiple dates can add up quick. Let me know how I should approach this. I have 2 or 3 meet and greets set up for this week.

You may never find just one. You may find a regular SB (for the time being) but my experience is you just can't help checking out the new talent that arrives almost daily and the temptation for some new pussy is always overwhelming. Many of the veterans on the board speak in terms of having a favorite but she is usually just part of an ever changing rotation. Variety is the spice of life. Since I started my sugar adventures last summer I have never stayed with one girl more than 4-5 sessions before feeling the urge to sample something new. I've tried all ages, 19-49, races, sizes, spinners to plump and had some amazingly talented ladies (and a couple of snoozers) willing to give me just about any type of pleasure I could dream up. And I'm one of those 60 yo guys. The bowl is full of goodies, just waiting for you to grab a spoonful. As long as you can sample for free (or just drinks / dinner) I would continue to do so.

[HoyaSvnFgr]

Hello! This is my first post, so I'm hoping I can get some guidance. I've been on a SB site for a month. I'm mid 30's, going through the divorce process. I figured I'd join to get back into the swing of things.

In summary, it's been overwhelming. I'd prefer one single girl for SB, but I don't think it's realistic. I've had about 7 dates and only 2 were adamant about an "arrangement". The most have ended up being dates or hookups for food or drinks. I got BBBJ CIM from 4/7 on the first or second date. I generally lose interest and hit the "search" button again and add another 2-3 to the chat rotation for the eventual meet up.

Is it recommended I continue this method till I find a solid SB? Granted my scope is early 20's, most are just happy to go to a nice dinner and night on the town. It's just been my luck that it's been leading to a BJ in the taxi or at their dorm / apt. I suppose my age is a benefit. I still look like I'm in my 20's, also I sense the girls are relieved because they've been doing strange things for some change with much older guys.

The one SB I had FC with told me her prev SD was in his 60's. On our first date, she begged me to take the condom off; figured it was just in the moment. Following am, after I ran out of condoms she's trying to rub me on her to insert. I snatched my junk back. I had to stop seeing her because I really liked the sex (this girls mouth was filthy. Age 20). But she was a 6/10 face / body and 9/10 bed. Now she sends texts saying she's in a jam financially as if I owe her.

Is it best to set a per date amount "or" should I continue eating the free lunch until I find a SB to settle for a longer period of time. Multiple dates can add up quick. Let me know how I should approach this. I have 2 or 3 meet and greets set up for this week.

[HollywoodGuy]

I'm headed to Orlando in a week, so I've been searching SA for some possible company while I'm there. I ran across this profile:

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...cently-active&

Submissive sisters looking to live with you who will act as personal assistants and don't mind doing the group thing.

Talk about TGTBT, LOL.

Good Hunting,

Travelin'.

For GPS pricing. They signed up almost 8 months ago. But good luck.

[TravelinSD]

I'm headed to Orlando in a week, so I've been searching SA for some possible company while I'm there. I ran across this profile:

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...cently-active&

Submissive sisters looking to live with you who will act as personal assistants and don't mind doing the group thing.

Talk about TGTBT, LOL.

Good Hunting,

Travelin'.

[RubberyMan]

Lots of amusing misinformation in that article, kind of reminds of why one of my friends always refers to that newspaper as "The Daily Fail". Unfortunately it's not just them, articles like these are pretty common. I suppose not many SBs are willing to brag about a relationship that includes sex -- it's too close to feeling like a pro for them. So they keep that part to themselves, and we end up with ridiculous articles about multimillionaires who pay their SBs 1 k / month for the priviledge of taking them shopping and maybe occasionally holding hands.

Bait advertising is where someone, a used car dealer for example, makes a fantastic offer to draw customers in. However, when you turn up with the $500 for that brand new BMW, it's already gone. However, while you are there, there's this nice little clunker for only $20 k.

It's commonly used by escort businesses to recruit staff. They promise big $$ but when checked out, that big money is about four or five times what actually ends up in the hand after agency fees, taxes and expenses.

The point is, that bait advertising gets those who are thinking about buying a car, or working escort or being a SB to take that first step through the door.

So these articles, provided by SA, and used on slow news days by the media, effectively get those women thinking about it to take the first step. Once they've made that step, some will try to achieve the unrealistic targets, and leave if they can't. However, bait advertising is so effective because there are always some who take a more realistic deal.

[JZLizard]

A working girl I got to know traded my knowledge for her pleasures when she was on her tour through my town. She shared her business realities and made $175 K that year. She was older (40 ish) but beautiful and classy and still had "it". She was one an older guy would feel proud of and not self conscious . And she was educated and smart . Her fee was $300/ hour but had numerous weekend trips through the year to Vegas and other hot spots to travel with clients for $1800 plus travel and gifts. So it does happen that a guy who has tons of money spends it. What I do not get (believe) is the no sex thing. This girl "Emily" is super cute, but no way she wouldn't be putting out. So she just lies so she can say she isn't selling sex. BS Mutha Fu#%ka! We might be dumb but we're not stupid.

Female denial of promiscuity has been around as long as the vagina itself. It is as intrinsic to them as our desire for variety is. In the case of SBs or pros, they see it as making themselves seem more respectful that they would command money for "companionship" while lessening the chance. One of the wildest fuck buddies I ever had was the biggest **** in the world between the sheets, but outside of bed would try to convince me that her total lifetime sex partner count could be counted on one hand (which was not even remotely believable, besides she had already told me about 3 of them that had occurred just in the prior year).

In all the women I've known, I can only remember one that bragged about (or I should announced) her promiscuity. A Chinese college student in her 20's I met online, she had come to the US only to study. I'm sitting there in a bar with her having a couple of drinks, when randomly and out of the clear blue, she said "do you fuck around a lot? I wasn't even sure I heard her correctly so I said "what? So she repeated it. "I said do you fuck around a lot? Because I do, I just wondered if you did too". It caught me completely off guard -- not because she seemed the shy or conservative type (not even close), but just because I'd never heard a woman so casually announced her promiscuity like that. Naturally I answered her question both verbally and with action.

[F Scott]

MESSAGE 1.

Hello. I just read your profile.

So after reading my profile if you want to know more, then email me at xxx@xxx.com.

Just lmk its you by your profile name.

I do prefer a per meeting type of arrangement to start.

So if you could let me know what your expectation$ are that would be great.

MESSAGE 2 - 123 message.

MESSAGE 3.

Well every girl is on here for a reason. So let me ask you. Are you looking for the highest bidder? Because If you're going for top dollar. That won't be me.

I'm sure you will get offers of $200 to $300 a date (lots of them). And you may need at least that much just to tolerate the guys offering it.

But if you're willing to take less to be with a more chill, good looking guy (for my age that is) then we might be able to make it work. What do you think?

MESSAGE 4.

Well that's good because that's normally the type of girl I date. I pay $100 a date. Which won't cover any ones lifestyle. But it does add up. I need to have a real connection with the person I am with. Like real chemistry. Otherwise what's the point?

I understand some girls will date anyone if they pay enough. And I don't judge. I just know that for a girl to keep seeing me for a $100 a date she has to like me. At $300 a date I would never know if it was me or the cash. Does that make sense?

MESSAGE 5.

Send a long personalized intro letter explaining the details of your donation and expectations. Now when you go to the M&G you have a great chance of going straight to the FC. So be prepared.

If they go silent at any point in the process, just forget about them. If they go off the script / desired reply, just answer their question or comment directly and then go right back to the script. You have to stay in control of the conversation at all times. And try lots of things, I know I have and continue to do so. This is just what I am doing now.

Until 2 weeks ago I was just going straight to message 5. Kinda crazy but it did work enough to keep me busy. But I am finding that this multi step process is drawing out some of the more reluctant girls as well as the easy pickings. Your message 5 needs to be very compelling, erotic but not sleazy and must convey some real sincerity. Take the control they want to give you.

Hey Hollywood,

I must have missed your post about the "123" message. Could you refresh my memory? Or direct me to it?

Keep up the good work.

Scott.

[Orbits]

Stumbled across this while surfing some other stuff:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...rong-that.html

22 Year old British student lands a 44 yr old Multimillionaire. 5,000 lbs. (That's $7645 US) over 6 months, plus lots of high-end shopping. Paid for her 21st birthday party. Plus supposedly, she didn't even have to sleep with him:

"Emily claims that she didn't sleep with her 'sugar daddy' during the six months that they were together, because she wasn't ready.

But she does admit that they went further than any platonic friends ever would.

'He wanted more but I wasn't ready,' she explains.

When asked if they kissed and how ask far they did go, she replied: 'Yes, we kissed. It was like we were in the early stages of a relationship. ' ".

Bottomline message to the SBs. Lots of multimillionaires out there looking to lavish you with gifts and cash for no sex. LOL.

Also, check out the SA ad for Sugar Baby U.

Good Hunting!

Travelin'.

Lots of amusing misinformation in that article, kind of reminds of why one of my friends always refers to that newspaper as "The Daily Fail". Unfortunately it's not just them, articles like these are pretty common. I suppose not many SBs are willing to brag about a relationship that includes sex -- it's too close to feeling like a pro for them. So they keep that part to themselves, and we end up with ridiculous articles about multimillionaires who pay their SBs 1 k / month for the priviledge of taking them shopping and maybe occasionally holding hands.