"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Dsprdo]

I think all of those theories may be true in some cases but I think the majority time it's the last. They hear a story or see one of the women on Dr. Phil, who looks very ordinary, and they think "I'm much hotter than her-why not me?

For the no sex profiles I don't even bother. I'm willing to be that 50% of them could be had if you put the effort into it and were willing to go out on three dates with them with no sex, but there are just too many women out there who DO understand that sex is a given in a SB relationship to waste my time. For the girls who've hit me with a GPS number I just politely say that's more than I had in mind and move on. Several have come back and said "well, what were you thinking?" but I generally don't put too much effort in a girl who starts way high because I figure she's going to be resentful at some point because she's not getting her "due".

[FredMoore]

However, could be that the woman is establishing "plausible deniability" in case someone she knows visits the site. In which case, a low key approach might work. I admit that I have little experience dealing with this situation, but if it is going to increase, we may as well figure out what's going on.

Whether she comes back or not, I don't know.

Good point RM. They can get their cake and eat it too. A Pot I am courting said that most guys hit her upfront with the pay for play demand, which I have been doing also with little success of late. They do not see themselves as sex workers so they have to give that disclaimer right away. Perhaps I will preemptively state no sex the first date, until we get to know each other (2nd date) . I would have a hard time forking out any money for a M&G or platonic date. So here is a beginning list of reasons for this phenomenon (sexless SBs) . Feel free to expand on this. Knowledge is power.

1) gay cover (per Hollywood).

2) Plausible deniability (Rubbery Man).

3) Discourage John activity--the blatant drop by for $ contact.

4) unrealistic expectations.

This deserves comment. Girls read SA, the Blogs, and hear about the unicorn where an SB gets $4000 / month for going to The Ritz to wine and dine with nary a kiss on the cheek at the end of the day. This happens I'm sure but so does the Lotto strike. Face it, as much as most of us think we are studs in the Bedroom and that girls should pay us for the privilege, the reality is that a 20 yr old girl probably can live without fucking a geezer. Therefore they probably feel that we should be grateful to be seen with a HYG. One of the brothers wrote earlier that a Pot told him she got X from her prior Daddy when he offered 1/4 X. So the bar was set too high from the get go poisoning the well.

[FyrGuy33]

Luckily, only one or two appearing here.

However, could be that the woman is establishing "plausible deniability" in case someone she knows visits the site. In which case, a low key approach might work. I admit that I have little experience dealing with this situation, but if it is going to increase, we may as well figure out what's going on.

So, my very limited exposure (1) went this way: I viewed her profile, saw the word "platonic" and clicked no more. A few days later, she messages me. I ask how she's found the site, and admitted that she has had little attention. I say that maybe she might get a platonic SD, but that with so many other really attractive women offering overnight stays for $$ she would have to work hard to find someone. I wished her well, and hoped she would not think badly about men, but when the full buffet is on offer, only being allowed to look at food is not a good deal.

Whether she comes back or not, I don't know.

Excellent reply. I have been quite amused at the number of profiles that state "No Sex". When I read that I stop reading and move on.

[RubberyMan]

Here is a collection of Pots in my area: Seriously, the 1st 10 (ten) new listings in my screen 18 to 29 / Caucasian / thin-athletic.

" I am looking for a sugar daddy / sugar mommy that would be interested in companionship (nothing sexual) just time spent talking, going out to dinner / movies / bowling".

" but sorry boys I have a no sex policy".

"I am not interested in a sexual relationship UNLESS there is natural chemistry. ".

" Looking for friendships / platonic relationships. I'm new to the site so I guess I'll see where this takes me! ".

"College student seeking platonic relationship".

"NO sexual favors will be given! If you're looking for a sexual partner please leave my page! I'm simply looking to make friends and enjoy their company. ".

Seriously! WTF is going on? Some dudes must be paying these chicks to hang on their arm and spend money on. As Hollywood suggested, are there that many gay guys looking for a straight appearance?

Luckily, only one or two appearing here.

However, could be that the woman is establishing "plausible deniability" in case someone she knows visits the site. In which case, a low key approach might work. I admit that I have little experience dealing with this situation, but if it is going to increase, we may as well figure out what's going on.

So, my very limited exposure (1) went this way: I viewed her profile, saw the word "platonic" and clicked no more. A few days later, she messages me. I ask how she's found the site, and admitted that she has had little attention. I say that maybe she might get a platonic SD, but that with so many other really attractive women offering overnight stays for $$ she would have to work hard to find someone. I wished her well, and hoped she would not think badly about men, but when the full buffet is on offer, only being allowed to look at food is not a good deal.

Whether she comes back or not, I don't know.

[Madaboutmax]

I avoid discussing before and that usually works out, but there is definitely a trend towards high $ expectations and no intimacy.

There are apparently adverts, youtube videos and talk shows talking up the lifestyle. Most indicate lots of $'s for looking pretty at a dinner with a multi-millionaire.

Max,

Did the discussion about money come up after first date / FC? In that case does it mean that I should have what ever they may ask on me.

Wow! If I am asked for $800 after first date / FC I guess I will have to just to give whatever I have on me and deal with the consequences.

Has anyone been in this situation? How did things turn out?

[HollywoodGuy]

Seriously! WTF is going on? Some dudes must be paying these chicks to hang on their arm and spend money on. As Hollywood suggested, are there that many gay guys looking for a straight appearance?

These girls are just dreaming. They all know a girl or heard about a girl that cashed in. Its like seeing a lottery winner in the paper. One thing I have noticed about SA is that the overall complexion of the ladies is a few shades lighter than SD4 M.

[FredMoore]

Here is a collection of Pots in my area: Seriously, the 1st 10 (ten) new listings in my screen 18 to 29 / Caucasian / thin-athletic.

" I am looking for a sugar daddy / sugar mommy that would be interested in companionship (nothing sexual) just time spent talking, going out to dinner / movies / bowling".

" but sorry boys I have a no sex policy".

"I am not interested in a sexual relationship UNLESS there is natural chemistry. ".

" Looking for friendships / platonic relationships. I'm new to the site so I guess I'll see where this takes me! ".

"College student seeking platonic relationship".

"NO sexual favors will be given! If you're looking for a sexual partner please leave my page! I'm simply looking to make friends and enjoy their company. ".

Seriously! WTF is going on? Some dudes must be paying these chicks to hang on their arm and spend money on. As Hollywood suggested, are there that many gay guys looking for a straight appearance?

[HollywoodGuy]

I was just pondering whether to get an SA account when I saw this on their home page.

"8 Sugar Babies Per Sugar Daddy".

I would think that would put some of these girls in their place.

Lets change that to just joined. Did the month just to check it out. So far most of the girls that are on both are UTR. I am gonna start by sending $ offers to some likely prospects that should be within my reach. Not gonna start really reaching until I get acquainted with the site. Its much slower to navigate than SD4M. And I already see some stunning sisters.

[LandonR]

No worries. Also, one last tip based on my experience, even if I trust an sb, I still won't book the hotel in advance.

There are too many variables. An sb might have a last minute thing come up, weather events that make it hard for them to drive, sick kid, the list goes on. Besides, hotels tend to be clustered in locations. If one hotel is booked or won't do early checkin, then just book another hotel last minute that is 10 minutes away.

Remember the pot / sb might like you, otherwise she wouldn't be showing up, but she is there for the sugar. A last minute switch in plans that might make her drive an extra 10 - 15 minutes is a minor inconvenience for her, but on the other hand, dropping $75 - $200 for a room that is going to be unused, hits your budget pretty badly.

Solid advice here. Within in the last few weeks I've had POT's flake for one reason or another with the following excuses.

* Got stuck at work working on a project (cancelled 1 hour before a drinks and an assumed trip to the hotel FC).

* Had to go pick up her kid from the baby daddy's house.

* Best friend got in an accident (ya right).

* Friend had to goto the hospital (ya right).

* One POT who is a stripper flat out admitted she drank to much while working the pole and passed out before we were to meet.

Always remember that these girls are young, flaky, and well, women.

[PghGuy2005]

With an SB before M&G? Just had an M&G with an SB who had a full length picture taken in a nice house. All the communication was via text and I was excited when she asked me to come to her house. Turned out she lived in a not so nice house even though her picture was accurate. I expected her to be nice as the surroundings but she turned out to be not so nice like the real house. Rough hands etc.

Skype will be a good to tool to avoid surprises if the SB allows it.

[PghGuy2005]

Will a SB at the "moderate" <=5 k / month level expect more per date than one at "practical" <=3 k / month? Want to be prepared if and when the first date turns into FC.

[Dsprdo]

Max,

Did the discussion about money come up after first date / FC? In that case does it mean that I should have what ever they may ask on me.

Wow! If I am asked for $800 after first date / FC I guess I will have to just to give whatever I have on me and deal with the consequences
Has anyone been in this situation? How did things turn out?

If we had not discussed it and someone asked me for $800, we would have an awkward discussion and they would leave unhappy with maybe $200. Sometimes I discuss sugar beforehand and sometimes I do not. If I get the feeling that they are going to have a wild amount like that in their head then I do. If I get the feeling that they are going to be okay with $120 or so (my sweet spot) and they don't bring it up, I don't either. I wait until we're saying goodbye and slip it in her purse or pocket. I have had one girl come back and say she needed more to keep going, I politely declined, and that was it. One other girl went radio silent after the first date, may have been related to sugar amount or may have been lack of chemistry. Other than that I've never had an issue. I would say that 30% of the time we have not had a sugar discussion before-hand.

[HollywoodGuy]

Max,

Did the discussion about money come up after first date / FC? In that case does it mean that I should have what ever they may ask on me.

Wow! If I am asked for $800 after first date / FC I guess I will have to just to give whatever I have on me and deal with the consequences.

Has anyone been in this situation? How did things turn out?

I only carry the amount of cash I am supposed to be spending. Kind of like going to a casino. Of course the ATM is always nearby. But its just an easy way to stay in check.

[PghGuy2005]

Max,

Did the discussion about money come up after first date / FC? In that case does it mean that I should have what ever they may ask on me.

Wow! If I am asked for $800 after first date / FC I guess I will have to just to give whatever I have on me and deal with the consequences.

Has anyone been in this situation? How did things turn out?

They were asking for $800 per meet. Where do they get that from? $800 goes a long way! If they can get it, they should hang on to it. Why do they need to talk to me. Total BS.

The "settlement" was $300. I apologized that we were so far apart and wished them well. One ultimately agree to $150, the other $200 which I know is high HWG standards. LOL.

[IluvSmellyFish]

All my info is accurate, but not accurate enough to let an sb find me. I am also fortunate enough to have a real name that is so generic that a Google search, even in my profession pulls up hundreds of people.

Between a burner phone, a "throwaway" email account, and responding to their questions in such a way that let's them draw their own conclusions, it isn't necessary to hide anything. If an sb wants more, than she hasn't grasped the concept of what the site is about. That's when I tell them, politely of course, that if I was interested in traditional dating, I would be on match or eharmony. I also help them refocus on why they are on the site, by mentioing that if I was looking just to use a young lady without establishing a mutually beneficial relationship, I would be using the tinder app.

That normally helps the young lady I am interviewing refocus on why we are both there on the first place.

I have a made up life that is close to my life but not. My middle name is now my first name, my last name is close enough, my job is one I had about 10 years ago and know very well, my personal life is close but I never discuss the wife or kids. I have a facebook page for my new name and even a few friends on it. Amazing how some woman will just accept friends and than others are ex sb. So far so good. BTW. I am on SB 22 and 23. 6 were long term and two along the way wanted me to leave my wife.

Next week I quit. My job in a far away city is ending and I am going home. Where it is too risky. Plan for next week is SB 22 and SB 23, followed by new SB24 and SB25! Then celibacy. Good luck guys!