"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**WoodSlinger** · 10-09-12 12:19

I have a very hot attractive blonde I spent a couple hours with last week. She's a desperate Nando type 1 I think. This text comes in last Thursday.

Hey Hun. Can I see Yu tomorrow or Friday? It's urgent, I've got rent to pay, plus Yu said yud see me this week. I replied back not a good time. Busy.

I let this go all weekend (my time to play is during the weekdays) and got a text last night. Hey. We chatted a bit she really needs help with her rent. I want to see her again. I mean hell, she's smoking hot. 22 yo. 5'5, 115 lbs nice C cups. No kids, super clean and tight pussy, beautiful nipples that get super erect when she climaxes, just wow, wow, wow. She has no job (says she has tried applying as a server everywhere but has no experience) , she has a car and told me she lives with her alcoholic dad that treats her like shit. Threatens to kick her out if she doesn't have her half the rent and she tells me he has done this recently.

They live in an apt community I am familiar with and this morning she tells me I can come over while her dad is at work, save the hotel expense and I get my needs met. She is only looking to cover her bills which are around $650 a month and told me I can have whatever I want in exchange. I can handle that (and I told her she won't get that all at once) but I have some reservations as most of us might with this type of girl. She is very laid back, down to earth, easy to be with, very open minded. Does not seem strung out on drugs or the dangerous type. She has some experience with being a SB with other guys. Claims to know how to be discrete, since I am very engaged, that is important to me.

I guess I would just like to hear how some of the other contributors here would handle this one. I mean my thoughts are keeping banging her til the next one comes along.

WS out.

**Magic Rat** · 10-09-12 11:37

I think Chicago is number 1 simply due to the fact that Scott lives there and he single handedly put the Windy City over the top.

**FeelGoodMd** · 10-09-12 10:49

Originally Posted by VAJimbo [View Original Post]

I have come across a bad one, I have known her for some time and even managed to get her to do a M&G. It never when any place as she demanded that I prove myself buy getting her something in advance of anything in the $250-400 range (It has changed over time) , I have always said sorry I don't work that way.

Well for some reason she has forwarded some emails from a guy who is 'working' her and once she left his email address on one of the messages. As you can see this and the fact that she is really just attempting to get things for nothing puts her in the 'bad SB' as far as I'm concerned but, what to do about it?

First, ask yourself if her pussy is worth the hassle and potential exposure. What if she "accidentally" leaves your email on a string she forwards to someone else?

For me, the scenario you described would mean "Operation Shut-down," and I'd break off all communication with her (at the very least until her case of GPS clears up). Always remember that a pot SB needs you more than you need her.

I might also consider contacting the man whose email addy you now have and give him a heads-up that she's playing both sides of the street and doing it indiscretely. If I were him, I would appreciate the information.

What is the baby's SA profile I'd number. I know I'd like to stay away from her brand of trouble, and I imagine most of the other bowlers on the forum would as well.

Dr. Feelgood.

**F Scott** · 10-09-12 10:23

Originally Posted by CantWinLosin [View Original Post]

, but the results are interesting nonetheless; Chicago was #1, which was expected,

I always knew I loved this city! Though I have to say, I want to go back and check my SA membership numbers again, using the 30-day active approach. There seem to be a lot of babies that come on, log in daily for week or less, then drop off. My guess is that they are processing all the contacts, and when they reappear, it means that they have not found anyone suitable. It might pay off to not jump on the new profiles, but add them to your "Favorites" list so you can keep track, and hit them up when they appear for the second time. My membership is expired, and I am staying off for a while, but is there a brother out there who wants to TOFTT and adopt this approach? Or is someone already playing these tactics?

Enquiring minds want to know.

I can tell you that I am getting follow up hits on my email from babies that bit early, spit the hook, but now seem to be intrigued again.

Scott

**CantWinLosin** · 10-09-12 08:48

Exchanged msgs with an attractive new lady on SA yesterday... she mentioned learning about the site after seeing a piece on the local TV news about Richmond being a "most promiscuous city". I never watch the local TV stations so I drew the Google gun and sure enough, last week SA published a study in which it ranked the 10 most-promiscuous cities, based on the percentage of SDs on their site reporting that they had at least 7 connections resulting in sex in the last 12 months. I think their measurement method is suspect, but the results are interesting nonetheless; Chicago was #1, which was expected, but several cities on the list were pretty surprising. RIC was #9. Birmingham beat Las Vegas? Really? (The most repressed societies are always the most promiscuous. Want proof? Spend a race weekend camped out at Talladega.

)

Unfortunately, this kind of publicity has negative aspects as well. Over the weekend, a new profile appeared of a pretty hot dark-haired young lady holding a DSLR camera... when I winked at her, I got back a reply flaming me that I should be worrying more about paying for my kids' college instead of spending my money on "sex with young girls."

It would *not* surprise me to learn that 5-O is trying to run some sort of sting. Not that they would succeed, but in bible-belt backwaters like this, the city fathers will be incensed that their city is getting such a reputation. Be careful out there, boys and girls...

**John G Smith** · 10-09-12 05:31

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

Mr. Smith,

I just read your post and realized,"I'm fat and uneducated." Shit! Good thing I found the sugar bowl. Or else the Cmdr wouldn't ever get ANY pussy! ROTFL! Time to start reading the classics, a diet and personal trainer.

SubCmdr out

Haha!

Well I'm not a mobster. I can't use a gun to save my life. I can't walk into a club and instantly get the best seat. I have almost zero connections that would be worthwhile to anyone. And my mere presence doesn't command respect and fear from my friends and foes.

But I guess the sugar bowl is an equalizer for all of us, hehe.

**SubCmdr** · 10-09-12 03:59

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

I remember watching the The Sopranos about ten years ago on HBO and wondering how on earth these fat uneducated guys had these hot mistresses (or "goomahs").

I've been re-watching the series lately and I just realized most of us here are basically living the Sopranos lifestyle (okay minus the organized crime and mob hits). Many of us here have found SBs or "goomah"s that will basically treat us like the "boss" for an evening a few times a month. Watching the Sopranos the women aspect of their lifestyle doesn't seem that extraordinary anymore. We here can basically replicate the same thing.

Now I just need a boat house.

Sorry for the random post.

Mr. Smith,

I just read your post and realized,"I'm fat and uneducated." Shit! Good thing I found the sugar bowl. Or else the Cmdr wouldn't ever get ANY pussy! ROTFL! Time to start reading the classics, a diet and personal trainer.

SubCmdr out

**John G Smith** · 10-09-12 00:17

I remember watching the The Sopranos about ten years ago on HBO and wondering how on earth these fat uneducated guys had these hot mistresses (or "goomahs").

I've been re-watching the series lately and I just realized most of us here are basically living the Sopranos lifestyle (okay minus the organized crime and mob hits). Many of us here have found SBs or "goomah"s that will basically treat us like the "boss" for an evening a few times a month. Watching the Sopranos the women aspect of their lifestyle doesn't seem that extraordinary anymore. We here can basically replicate the same thing.

Now I just need a boat house.

Sorry for the random post.

**VAJimbo** · 10-08-12 15:35

I have come across a bad one, I have known her for some time and even managed to get her to do a M&G. It never when any place as she demanded that I prove myself buy getting her something in advance of anything in the $250-400 range (It has changed over time) , I have always said sorry I don't work that way.

Well for some reason she has forwarded some emails from a guy who is 'working' her and once she left his email address on one of the messages. As you can see this and the fact that she is really just attempting to get things for nothing puts her in the 'bad SB' as far as I'm concerned but, what to do about it?

**Hernando** · 10-07-12 17:17

AM is tough sledding but I have gotten 3 live ones not counting this Asian. She is busy emailing me and sending increasingly naked pics with her notes. She has a little tummy and nice suckable nipples so I am excited! I will let you know if it is all BS but for now we are on for Friday night. She complains that guys calaim they last a long time but don't. Wait til she gets a load of my chemically enhanced erection that lasts for 3 hours LOL She will be begging for mercy.

The other three were 1) 32 yr drop dead gorgeous girl I met for a drink who didn't like me) : (so sad) 2) a 38 yr old chubster who had obviously old pics up and 3) a 40 yr old so so looking girl who wanted to meet but I didn't. Most I mail do not respond but there are some live ones on there.

I now have 2 more responses from SDFM so we will see how they go. A HCG who emailed back and forth last week has flaked so I wonder if it was my ATF checking my activity out. Fuck her if it was cause she was the one who dumped me when the going got a little tough. (For you therapists out there I'm now progressing from the denial and grief stages of loss to anger. I am some kind of pissed at this girl for bailing on a damn good thing!) I guess resolution will come eventually. The more ass I get the quicker I will heal I suspect.

**JoesParty** · 10-07-12 16:33

Regular readers will recall that my ATF has been serving an indefinite suspension for treating me too much like an ATM. I have no problem with spoiling a girl, but I have to receive something of commensurate value in return. That, unfortunately, has not been the case with ATF for the past few months. So, a month ago, I decided to cease all contact and see what happens.

Almost a month to the day after I stopped communicating with her, she sent me a text. It sounds like her life continues to spiral out of control. She's been sick and was fired from her job at the strip club. (How one is fired from stripping is beyond me.)

Despite her lack of financial prospects, she is hoping to have some cosmetic surgery soon. The plan is for lipo on the legs, thighs, abdomen, and arms, and fat injections in the ass. Let's put aside for a moment that this girl is gorgeous and doesn't need any of this work; she clearly has body image issues.

The real problem here is that she wants to go ahead with this work even though she's out of a job. And she asked me if I wanted to front the money. She'd repay me, she said. The cost? $12, 500.

My response to her: silence. If there was any doubt that all I am to her is dollar signs, then this episode confirmed it. She'd never be able to repay me, and that's beside the point. I'm glad I finally understand that it's time to move on from this one. It was a nice year and a half while it lasted.

**SubCmdr** · 10-07-12 13:50

Zomby,

My Man!

I know of no other place where I can have civil intellectual conversation on this subject.

The problem with the social sciences has always been the difficulty of measuring, defining and observing the actions within society. Your argument was eloquently stated and most appreciated.

I see all the activities of our forum and the entire board for that matter as simply individuals attempting to operate in areas defined by society as deviant. We are simply sharing methods to minimize our consequences while fulfilling our deepest sexual needs that lie outside of tightly defined parameters of our society. The providers may have different needs and desires but they are doing the exact same thing as we are. And there is no room for judgement in either case.

Thank you!

SubCmdr out

**CantWinLosin** · 10-07-12 11:20

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

I did Ashley Madison about a year or two ago and found it a complete waste of time and money. I only ever got ONE legit response and she just wanted to chat with guys online, nothing serious.

Be aware that AM pays shills to lure guys into chatting in their online chat room (for which they charge ridiculous amounts.) If you get a girl on there that wants to chat, try to get her to chat via AIM, Facebook or one of the other common chat platforms. If she only wants to chat in the AM chatrooms, she's a shill that has no interest in anything but separating you from your money.

**Zomby** · 10-07-12 10:36

Wow. A week of not paying attention, and look what happens. Four pages of intercourse. LOL.

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

I am not judging anyone. I am not attacking anyone. I just expressed an opinion and I'm just trying to understand. I asked a question. Others have answered it. I appreciate that. And don't get me wrong. I LOVE this fucking forum. (pun intended) It has opened my eyes to an entire world of pussy I did not even know existed.

And if anything I said was construed as an attack, I'm sorry. It wasn't intended that way. Just clarifying so that my intent wasn't misunderstood.

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

Ok, I think I get it. Lying to the wife protects the original arrangement.

Once again, I suggest that you check your preconceptions at the door. If you don't realize that you have preconceptions, I submit that you might want to reexamine things a bit. (:

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

My point is there is no reason to claim that pursuit of the babies is a higher calling than picking up street meat.

I'm certainly not going to claim that! However, I firmly believe, from experience, that my relationship with her is of much higher quality than what I would get from "street meat", so is deserving of that much more respect, in the form of not doing stupid shjt to fvck it up just for the sake of showing off. And this protection is caution, not guilt. See below.

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

Just give to me straight no chase. Look me straight in my face and just tell it like it is!

She and I have had that conversation a number of times. She knows what she's doing, and so do I.

For what it's worth, I don't consider what we're doing (or what escorts, streetwalkers and other prostitutes do) to be at all immoral, irrespective of what the control-hungry and / or misguided legislators and religious nutjobs would have us believe. In principle, it's no different than what professional sports players and so-called "legitimate" massage therapists do, that is, sell their bodies for entertainment and pleasure. They certainly use different parts of the body, but use of pussy and mouth is no more or less moral than the parts used by football players. If someone thinks there's a moral difference there, that someone is wrong, and is part of the problem. The use of "someone" there is in the indeterminate third person sense, not referring to SubCmdr.

It certainly can be construed to be illegal, even if the sugar flow weren't symmetrical and quid pro quo (which it pretty much is for us) , and would be very socially embarrassing for both of us if it became public, but immoral, bad, evil, sick, disgusting, or any of the other inane adjectives applied by self-righteous pricks who think their morality has somehow attained the status of Law of Nature? No fvcking way.

/z

**RiverCity2011** · 10-07-12 10:26

I find that site to be a waste of time and money.

The men outnumber the women 100-1.

New female profiles get 200 emails from men in 24 hours. So, if you are ultra attractive, and willing to share some kind of photo. You might have a chance.

I also feel like someone is creating a ton of fake profiles of hot women. I will not speculate why someone creates all the fake profiles. (too good to be true) My guess is to inflate the activity on the site for membership revewals.

There are some SB's on AM but most profiles seem to be fake. I traded emails with a few SB's on there and they were all using fake photos so I never met anyone. You can just tell when photos are fake.

Originally Posted by BillyDeeJr [View Original Post]

Hey all. I found this forum via a google search on A. Maddie. I'm a fellow hobbyist from Charlotte. I have a few post there. I was wondering if the site was legit or not. From reading your forum I mught consider the sd sites as an option. Do they allow you to sign up with a prepaid visa?