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[PPJones]

PPJones the numbers are on the way. If you guys get this ones number please PM me. Not a 10 or anything but talk about a girl that gets us.

https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/...Kl1ynEBIRODfKh

Does that link work for anyone else? Not working for me, just brings up SB's, the header shows up but the page is blank.

[Nate0110]

Both look good. I tend to prefer the darker skin, but, hey, pm me both their numbers🤣129315;129315;.

PPJones the numbers are on the way. If you guys get this ones number please PM me. Not a 10 or anything but talk about a girl that gets us.

https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/...Kl1ynEBIRODfKh

[PPJones]

I've never put that much thought into it but nothing Shampoo said is wrong. I've posted this stripper before (I found her on secret benefits) Usually strippers are a waste of time but this one gets it. She had her ass done recently not kidding. She is going to rejoin secret benefits again if you get her digits PM me (I'm done giving out numbers).

The white girl has been discussed before and back in the game. In the Perryville area. Single Mom and she gets it. (a bit far for me) Stay safe and happy hunting.

Both look good. I tend to prefer the darker skin, but, hey, pm me both their numbers🤣129315;129315;.

[Nate0110]

Pretty much what you wrote.

1) Burner phone (Walmart has phones for <$60 with prepaid rates $40/ mo) Pay cash, don't buy with a CC.

2) Layer an App number on your burner. Dude disappeared from here when App layered on IRL phone failed and wifey answered.

3) Hotelsbyday and Dayuse.com for discounts on decent rooms otherwise hit the DayOne in Claymont / Holly Oak.

4) Clean up car of personal items or valuables. Sticky fingers will help them walk.

5) Don't take anything into a date you don't want to lose. No watches, expensive jewelry, etc.

6) If you are looking for a true SB, never agree to meet at a hotel, her place, etc. Always do a Meet & Greet. You can always play if the vibe is right.

7) Even if she's a non-pro, never talk sex for money or anything of value. If you have a true IRL relationship, giving money to friends to help them out is not illegal. (many cavets).

8) Check for girl's SM just to know she's real and not associated with gangsters, drugs and other bad stuff. DO NOT play Jr Detective and cyber stalk the girl, that's just douche.

9) Avoid donating "up front" there are techniques one can use to avoid that and a true pro should understand.

A lot of this is just the "rules" for online dating. Laid out with some good discussion in this short thread here on USA. Yeah, it's 10-yo but still very relevant. Short read is a good investment in safety.

https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/sho...BackPage/page2

I've never put that much thought into it but nothing Shampoo said is wrong. I've posted this stripper before (I found her on secret benefits) Usually strippers are a waste of time but this one gets it. She had her ass done recently not kidding. She is going to rejoin secret benefits again if you get her digits PM me (I'm done giving out numbers).

The white girl has been discussed before and back in the game. In the Perryville area. Single Mom and she gets it. (a bit far for me) Stay safe and happy hunting.

[Shampoo55]

No, it's the same fake name I used to give when I got in trouble in public. Been using it forever, so it's easy to use. Good reminder, though, no real phone number, no real name, never ever ever at your place, don't wear work logo shirts, sweep the car for mail or anything of that might have name and address. I lock my glove compartment off in giving a ride so my registration isn't accessible.

Sounds paranoid to a newbie, but I've never been sorry I was "too careful".

Anyone else have good op sec tips?

Pretty much what you wrote.

1) Burner phone (Walmart has phones for <$60 with prepaid rates $40/ mo) Pay cash, don't buy with a CC.

2) Layer an App number on your burner. Dude disappeared from here when App layered on IRL phone failed and wifey answered.

3) Hotelsbyday and Dayuse.com for discounts on decent rooms otherwise hit the DayOne in Claymont / Holly Oak.

4) Clean up car of personal items or valuables. Sticky fingers will help them walk.

5) Don't take anything into a date you don't want to lose. No watches, expensive jewelry, etc.

6) If you are looking for a true SB, never agree to meet at a hotel, her place, etc. Always do a Meet & Greet. You can always play if the vibe is right.

7) Even if she's a non-pro, never talk sex for money or anything of value. If you have a true IRL relationship, giving money to friends to help them out is not illegal. (many cavets).

8) Check for girl's SM just to know she's real and not associated with gangsters, drugs and other bad stuff. DO NOT play Jr Detective and cyber stalk the girl, that's just douche.

9) Avoid donating "up front" there are techniques one can use to avoid that and a true pro should understand.

A lot of this is just the "rules" for online dating. Laid out with some good discussion in this short thread here on USA. Yeah, it's 10-yo but still very relevant. Short read is a good investment in safety.

https://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/sho...BackPage/page2

[MarkW1911]

I dunno if Mark is a real name, but I certainly wouldn't use one with ANY first or second or even vetted "sb" or friend.

I'm sure you're smarter than that, but, just wanted to put that out there. Maybe some less experienced folks could benefit. Especially if you're seeing "erratic" behavior and suspecting "plate pics".

No, it's the same fake name I used to give when I got in trouble in public. Been using it forever, so it's easy to use. Good reminder, though, no real phone number, no real name, never ever ever at your place, don't wear work logo shirts, sweep the car for mail or anything of that might have name and address. I lock my glove compartment off in giving a ride so my registration isn't accessible.

Sounds paranoid to a newbie, but I've never been sorry I was "too careful".

Anyone else have good op sec tips?

[PPJones]

I had those same thoughts, like did she plant something in the car, taking pics, was someone watching. In the end I didn't see any evidence of funny business, just a particularly skittish gal.

Still, I take precautions to avoid things like photos and plate grabbing, but of course you can't prevent a determined actor. Always being on site early, ahead of when you say you're close, careful scoping from afar, careful selection of parking spots, all that sort of thing.

Anyway, by way of a small update, I left the door open a few days ago and she reached out today. The girl blew up the burner. We'll have to work on the discretion a bit. Anyway, here goes round 2 🤞.

I dunno if Mark is a real name, but I certainly wouldn't use one with ANY first or second or even vetted "sb" or friend.

I'm sure you're smarter than that, but, just wanted to put that out there. Maybe some less experienced folks could benefit. Especially if you're seeing "erratic" behavior and suspecting "plate pics".

[Shampoo55]

I had those same thoughts, like did she plant something in the car, taking pics, was someone watching. In the end I didn't see any evidence of funny business, just a particularly skittish gal.

Still, I take precautions to avoid things like photos and plate grabbing, but of course you can't prevent a determined actor. Always being on site early, ahead of when you say you're close, careful scoping from afar, careful selection of parking spots, all that sort of thing.

Anyway, by way of a small update, I left the door open a few days ago and she reached out today. The girl blew up the burner. We'll have to work on the discretion a bit. Anyway, here goes round 2 🤞.

Glad to see she reached out again!

As far as keeping your plate hidden. They do make a device called 'hide a plate'. Scooped one for a Ben years ago. It was useful as one girl always showed up with her sister, and the sister's job was to get the plate number. They told me about it only after I gave them a ride to Wawa and they said. Hey you have to license plate! The end of that, for me was after I dropped a girl off at a certain motel in Elkton and I used the device to cover the plate as I was leaving Guess I forgot to turn it off and show the plate before hitting the street as a Trooper lit me up. By the time we were back looking at the plate it was open again.

But the evasive actions you take sound good. I was doing the same thing when I had a date go sour and was driving her back to Sharon Hill. She wound herself up the whole way back and when she got out make threats, since she "knew" my plate number. No way she saw it on the pick-up so I knew she was lying and made sure she went a direction away where she couldn't see it after we separated. But yeah, it can be interesting out there!

I suspect that the girl just got cold feet and finally came back. Now youse got to tease her that she need to 'make it up to you!

Have fun!

[MarkW1911]

That is bizarre. If you had her socials and she got in the car all good, but then to get out and ghost you? My first thought was did she just take a picture of your license plate? (I know one guy that happened to) I am guessing she likes the idea of being and SB but doesn't get what it actually is and flakes out. If she's in your area and you like her look and it can be hard to walk away but its prolly your best option. I have had plenty of M&G's where I politely leave after a beer or two if my Spidey sense goes off or I don't like what I see. (always pay in cash, leave no trace) Stay safe and happy hunting.

I had those same thoughts, like did she plant something in the car, taking pics, was someone watching. In the end I didn't see any evidence of funny business, just a particularly skittish gal.

Still, I take precautions to avoid things like photos and plate grabbing, but of course you can't prevent a determined actor. Always being on site early, ahead of when you say you're close, careful scoping from afar, careful selection of parking spots, all that sort of thing.

Anyway, by way of a small update, I left the door open a few days ago and she reached out today. The girl blew up the burner. We'll have to work on the discretion a bit. Anyway, here goes round 2 🤞.

[Nate0110]

I don't know why I keep doling it (yes I do) because it's always the same. It's either one message response and ghost or a scam. This week was new, though. Found this adorable pot on SB, always wary of the young and cute ones, figure they're most likely to be some kind of scam. I find her socials and she's using her real name. Things line up with what she's been saying. Maybe she's not a scam and just flakey? We have decent texts which get pretty flirty and fun. Sometimes a little too much, spidey senses are confused. Small head thinks too much. We plan a meet and greet.

She has me pick her up (no car, naturally) so I scope out the area and it's low income apts, but fairly clean and a decent enough area. Let her know I'm there, she says she's too nervous. Eventually comes out and even gets in. We start heading to the coffee shop, per the original plan. Then she says "wait, my phone's dying, let me go get my charge cable" - she hops out and never returns 😅 Texts saying she's too nervous. I tell her it's fine and we can m&g another time. More flirty texts over the next few days, plan for a morning meeting. Everything is good right up to the part where I say I'm 5 minutes away. Crickets. I honestly can't tell if she was legit and nervous or trying to work a scam that never quite came together.

I guess these girls wouldn't be doing this if they had their shit together from a planning / execution standpoint \12484_.

Just a weird one. This was in Salisbury, but the MD forum doesn't really have an SB section, so figured SBY is basically Sussex Co DE. Bummed it didn't work out. I had big plans 😅.

That is bizarre. If you had her socials and she got in the car all good, but then to get out and ghost you? My first thought was did she just take a picture of your license plate? (I know one guy that happened to) I am guessing she likes the idea of being and SB but doesn't get what it actually is and flakes out. If she's in your area and you like her look and it can be hard to walk away but its prolly your best option. I have had plenty of M&G's where I politely leave after a beer or two if my Spidey sense goes off or I don't like what I see. (always pay in cash, leave no trace) Stay safe and happy hunting.

[MarkW1911]

Yeah, sounds like you got this!

I have found that some of the girls have been played by so many guys that they have trust issues and it's nearly impossible to overcome their history. So you are right, building that trust can be tough.

Most would say any money upfront is a bad idea, but if it helps and it's immaterial to the long game then why not. Is there any concern as to get a 'label' and have girls emerge looking for an easy score.

But yeah, I play the SD-SB game the traditional way. Get to a M&G with in a week of texting. Pay any transportation costs she has to get there. Pay for the drinks or lunch. Give her a gift to show I'm serious and don't expect to play on the first meeting.

So how do you think you will approach Mia and what do you think will be the chance of success?

Yeah, giving a little money is definitely a double edged sword. I mainly say we'll do all gifts in person, but on occasion I'll send a small goodwill gesture. I'm no expert here, so open to the idea that it's always a mistake!

With Mia, I think it's a coin toss. She went quiet, but she seemed legitimately new and nervous. So my play is to make sure she knows I'm not angry and that she can hit me up any time. Then it's really up to what she wants. Got to say, she sent some pretty horny messages, so I still think there's a chance she'll text just to get her needs met 😅 But I'm not counting my chickens before they're hatched. The plan is to make sure she knows she's welcome and the door is open. In the meantime I have other irons in the fire and logs that need. *ahem* . Poking.

[Shampoo55]

The beginning is always the hardest, at least in my experience. There's plenty of risk on both sides, so lots of wariness and hard to demonstrate trust. I try to get to a face-to-face soon because that seems to clear up trust issues but you've still got to get there. Sometimes I will throw a small amount of money in prior to meeting as a show of good faith. I figure if I lose 25 bucks in the "is she legit / playing games" phase, then that's cheap in the long run?

Not really sure if that's a good plan or not. So this girl got lunch from me. Maybe that's a win for her, but I don't count it much of a loss. I miss the old days when my little spinner from CL was my stop on the way home from work. We built trust fast and had a blast while she was around. Ahh well, pining for the fjords.

Yeah, sounds like you got this!

I have found that some of the girls have been played by so many guys that they have trust issues and it's nearly impossible to overcome their history. So you are right, building that trust can be tough.

Most would say any money upfront is a bad idea, but if it helps and it's immaterial to the long game then why not. Is there any concern as to get a 'label' and have girls emerge looking for an easy score.

But yeah, I play the SD-SB game the traditional way. Get to a M&G with in a week of texting. Pay any transportation costs she has to get there. Pay for the drinks or lunch. Give her a gift to show I'm serious and don't expect to play on the first meeting.

So how do you think you will approach Mia and what do you think will be the chance of success?

[MarkW1911]

Thanks for sharing your experience sorry she was so flaky.

What I think could be going on is that A LOT of girls see some influencer on TicTok or other SM and think being an SB is an easy way to 'get the bag'. Supposedly you find an SD and he showers gifts on you and you never have to engage in intimacy. I think the less sophisticated a girl is the more likely she is to fall for that scheme. But on top of that, anything on line is fun, especially if it's flirty. The problem is that once it gets real she realizes she may not be cut out for it or has second thoughts?

I dunno, sounds like a case of cold feet to me. If you have the time to put into it, she MAY warm up, or not. Me thinks a scammer would have asked for $$ upfront and refused the M&G unless you paid. If you did send her money, then she beat you. Otherwise I don't see what scam she would be running. I mean a girl "could" theoretically want to meet to get your picture, tag number, etc. For some kind of blackmail, but that's too sophisticated for most of these girls.

So I'd talk to her, and if you haven't already, mention your interest, mention how hot she is, paint her a picture of what the future looks like and see if dangling the carrot helps her get over the cold feet.

Oh and another thing one can do if a girl doesn't have transportation to get to a meet & greet is offer to pay her Uber to get there and back. That can consist of some funds in an envelop when she arrives (along with a "gift" to show interest) or send her an Uber gift card. Yeah, sending the gift card is a risk and one could lose those funds.

Anyway, maybe something works out? That girl looks like a smoke show! Good luck!

The beginning is always the hardest, at least in my experience. There's plenty of risk on both sides, so lots of wariness and hard to demonstrate trust. I try to get to a face-to-face soon because that seems to clear up trust issues but you've still got to get there. Sometimes I will throw a small amount of money in prior to meeting as a show of good faith. I figure if I lose 25 bucks in the "is she legit / playing games" phase, then that's cheap in the long run?

Not really sure if that's a good plan or not. So this girl got lunch from me. Maybe that's a win for her, but I don't count it much of a loss. I miss the old days when my little spinner from CL was my stop on the way home from work. We built trust fast and had a blast while she was around. Ahh well, pining for the fjords.

[Shampoo55]

I don't know why I keep doling it (yes I do) because it's always the same. It's either one message response and ghost or a scam. This week was new, though. Found this adorable pot on SB, always wary of the young and cute ones, figure they're most likely to be some kind of scam. I find her socials and she's using her real name. Things line up with what she's been saying. Maybe she's not a scam and just flakey? We have decent texts which get pretty flirty and fun. Sometimes a little too much, spidey senses are confused. Small head thinks too much. We plan a meet and greet.

She has me pick her up (no car, naturally) so I scope out the area and it's low income apts, but fairly clean and a decent enough area. Let her know I'm there, she says she's too nervous. Eventually comes out and even gets in. We start heading to the coffee shop, per the original plan. Then she says "wait, my phone's dying, let me go get my charge cable" - she hops out and never returns 😅 Texts saying she's too nervous. I tell her it's fine and we can m&g another time. More flirty texts over the next few days, plan for a morning meeting. Everything is good right up to the part where I say I'm 5 minutes away. Crickets. I honestly can't tell if she was legit and nervous or trying to work a scam that never quite came together.

I guess these girls wouldn't be doing this if they had their shit together from a planning / execution standpoint \12484_.

Just a weird one. This was in Salisbury, but the MD forum doesn't really have an SB section, so figured SBY is basically Sussex Co DE. Bummed it didn't work out. I had big plans 😅.

Thanks for sharing your experience sorry she was so flaky.

What I think could be going on is that A LOT of girls see some influencer on TicTok or other SM and think being an SB is an easy way to 'get the bag'. Supposedly you find an SD and he showers gifts on you and you never have to engage in intimacy. I think the less sophisticated a girl is the more likely she is to fall for that scheme. But on top of that, anything on line is fun, especially if it's flirty. The problem is that once it gets real she realizes she may not be cut out for it or has second thoughts?

I dunno, sounds like a case of cold feet to me. If you have the time to put into it, she MAY warm up, or not. Me thinks a scammer would have asked for $$ upfront and refused the M&G unless you paid. If you did send her money, then she beat you. Otherwise I don't see what scam she would be running. I mean a girl "could" theoretically want to meet to get your picture, tag number, etc. For some kind of blackmail, but that's too sophisticated for most of these girls.

So I'd talk to her, and if you haven't already, mention your interest, mention how hot she is, paint her a picture of what the future looks like and see if dangling the carrot helps her get over the cold feet.

Oh and another thing one can do if a girl doesn't have transportation to get to a meet & greet is offer to pay her Uber to get there and back. That can consist of some funds in an envelop when she arrives (along with a "gift" to show interest) or send her an Uber gift card. Yeah, sending the gift card is a risk and one could lose those funds.

Anyway, maybe something works out? That girl looks like a smoke show! Good luck!

[MarkW1911]

I don't know why I keep doling it (yes I do) because it's always the same. It's either one message response and ghost or a scam. This week was new, though. Found this adorable pot on SB, always wary of the young and cute ones, figure they're most likely to be some kind of scam. I find her socials and she's using her real name. Things line up with what she's been saying. Maybe she's not a scam and just flakey? We have decent texts which get pretty flirty and fun. Sometimes a little too much, spidey senses are confused. Small head thinks too much. We plan a meet and greet.

She has me pick her up (no car, naturally) so I scope out the area and it's low income apts, but fairly clean and a decent enough area. Let her know I'm there, she says she's too nervous. Eventually comes out and even gets in. We start heading to the coffee shop, per the original plan. Then she says "wait, my phone's dying, let me go get my charge cable" - she hops out and never returns 😅 Texts saying she's too nervous. I tell her it's fine and we can m&g another time. More flirty texts over the next few days, plan for a morning meeting. Everything is good right up to the part where I say I'm 5 minutes away. Crickets. I honestly can't tell if she was legit and nervous or trying to work a scam that never quite came together.

I guess these girls wouldn't be doing this if they had their shit together from a planning / execution standpoint \12484_.

Just a weird one. This was in Salisbury, but the MD forum doesn't really have an SB section, so figured SBY is basically Sussex Co DE. Bummed it didn't work out. I had big plans 😅.