Strip Club Reports

[LazyLover]

What is a 16 and 304?

"304" = hoe.

It comes from a calculator joke: 304 upside-down spells "hOE. " Online it's used (usually derogatorily) to mean a woman who's seen as promiscuous or doing sex work.

"16" = a pimp / handler.

It's code used on some boards to refer to the guy managing or controlling the dancer's work, money, travel, etc.

[Bmarr77]

I am not talking about men adjacent to or dating dancers. Real 16's and their 304's make up nearly the entirety of the low cost FS scene in these clubs. A girl may move between different P's or stay with the same one for years, all while having babies, showing a normal life on instagram and living with a boyfriend. You may occasionally catch a renegade on solo but she is always soon enough back with a P. Its usually well hidden and you would never know if you aren't at after parties and other events.

My main purpose in sharing this is so mongers don't get too caught up thinking there is a serious connection with someone, or throwing extra money at a girl to help them out. All the $$ is going to a P 99% of the time. It is a whole lifestyle and sometimes mutually beneficial in ways I won't get into. I am not for or against it.

16's and 304's travel here because there is no other club scene like it in the country.

What is a 16 and 304?

[Dark Traveler]

It is indeed a blurry line, but I would suggest that just being supported by a dancer or other sex worker doesn't make a guy a pimp. It makes him a freeloader, just like any other guy being supported by his girlfriend regardless of what she does for a living. Seems to me a guy has to have some kind of involvement in her business in order to be a pimp. That involvement might simply be pressuring her to have sex for money so that he can sponge off her.

I am not talking about men adjacent to or dating dancers. Real 16's and their 304's make up nearly the entirety of the low cost FS scene in these clubs. A girl may move between different P's or stay with the same one for years, all while having babies, showing a normal life on instagram and living with a boyfriend. You may occasionally catch a renegade on solo but she is always soon enough back with a P. Its usually well hidden and you would never know if you aren't at after parties and other events.

My main purpose in sharing this is so mongers don't get too caught up thinking there is a serious connection with someone, or throwing extra money at a girl to help them out. All the $$ is going to a P 99% of the time. It is a whole lifestyle and sometimes mutually beneficial in ways I won't get into. I am not for or against it.

16's and 304's travel here because there is no other club scene like it in the country.

[Sanctimonious6]

Its often a very blurry line between some so-called "boyfriends" and "pimps" as many boyfriends are directly supported by the dancers. If the so-called "boyfriends" are supported by the dancers that essentially makes them "pimps" in some peoples eyes.

It is indeed a blurry line, but I would suggest that just being supported by a dancer or other sex worker doesn't make a guy a pimp. It makes him a freeloader, just like any other guy being supported by his girlfriend regardless of what she does for a living. Seems to me a guy has to have some kind of involvement in her business in order to be a pimp. That involvement might simply be pressuring her to have sex for money so that he can sponge off her.

[ChachiGuy]

Does anyone have any recommendations? Preferably not a fatty. If so, can you suggest a name, club and shift? I'm talking natural DD and up.

I know the thrill is in the hunt and I've got decades of that. But my time has become more limited these days. Thank you in advance!

[Arianabp]

Thanks for all the advice on OTC and in general. I really appreciate them.

[Stewy56]

No disrespect taken. If you never been on that side of the game it's completely hidden from you. I know a girl living with a boyfriend she met in the club 2 years ago and he has no idea she is still with her P. He doesn't know she ever had one.

It's important to remember it's all an illusion, and this is the game taught to a girls dancers by their P. All the talk here about game and personality should be tempered with that.

Its often a very blurry line between some so-called "boyfriends" and "pimps" as many boyfriends are directly supported by the dancers. If the so-called "boyfriends" are supported by the dancers that essentially makes them "pimps" in some peoples eyes.

[Dark Traveler]

I am aware of over 20 girls I have gotten to know well and am believe with certainty they do not have pimps.

MM.

No disrespect taken. If you never been on that side of the game it's completely hidden from you. I know a girl living with a boyfriend she met in the club 2 years ago and he has no idea she is still with her P. He doesn't know she ever had one.

It's important to remember it's all an illusion, and this is the game taught to a girls dancers by their P. All the talk here about game and personality should be tempered with that.

[HarryDude]

Finally made it out to h8 first time in months. Went back with Alaxandra or something similar her name started with an a I know that and it was a little unique. I'd guess mid 30's she says she only works day and is soft spoken, nice girl. 4'11" b cup and a tight little ass, said she was a gymnast growing up I certainly believe it. Good performance in back, she could ride due to her stockings so hit it from behind, cars and CBJ for 140, she started at 200. I ended up giving a very small tip as well. She was very tight and seemed to really get into it rubbing herself I'm pretty sure I got a little wet on my legs but was standing at an weird angle due to the height difference. I came after 1 song, stayed in and pounded for 4 more songs I didn't cum a 2nd time but was close. I felt the condom falling off since she was so tight if I stayed in I'd definitely would have CIP I do admit she felt so good towards the end when I could really feel her.

Overall I'd repeat would definitely ask for otc next time as I bet she's super fun tossing around. Looks were average face 5 or 6, tight nice body a 7 or so.

[Marelobo Mex]

Anyone try out a SC Sunday day shift yet since they turned on that schedule? I'm thinking about heading down to watch football today and wanted to know if it would be a worthy stop with decent talent? Tia.

CC,

Great post I didn't know this.

Sunday is my usual day to fly into town so I would often do Sundays at BTs or going back a long time at Players.

I found Sundays can be hit or miss. If the girls make good money on Thursday, Friday and Saturday, then Sunday would be slow and not a very good time. However if they didn't make money Sundays could have a lot of girls and be eager to get in the VIP.

I also like the atmosphere and the vibe better on Sunday, it is more relaxed, hardly any make it rain guys, because they are really showing off for the other males to say I am an alpha. The girls tend to linger more and sit and talk with you as there are a lot less customers and I enjoy this.

I will have to check it out.

MM.

[Marelobo Mex]

I get asked to meet OTC the club all the time and after trying it a few times I realized it was not any better of an experience.

Thank you JOC.

I also get asked with a surprising frequency. Maybe these girls are pegging us a nice guys and won't take advantage or cheat them. I don't know how they could figure that out as I barely know them and am often offered shortly after meeting them.

It is not my thing so I don't pursue it. For many of these girls, I always think about why is she offering it so soon. I worry I am the one getting scammed. I think maybe her pimp will come to the room and they will rob me. Maybe they will tail me and find out my license plate. I usually drive a rental car, but maybe they can figure out who rented the car, or they may learn my identity if I rent a room.

I always feel like I have something to lose and they don't. I believe most of the times I wouldn't get cheated but I am usually more afraid than the girl. I would only want to do it with a girl that I have built a lot of rapport with.

Maybe I am just a scaredy cat.

MM.

[Marelobo Mex]

She used to work Sundays, which didn't open until later. she would tell him that she was going to the mall shopping before she would go to the club. I used to pick her up at the mall and take her to a hotel and fuck her for a couple of hours before her shift and then drop her back off at the mall.

E80,

I love this story. I see so many guys fighting to be the first to take her to the VIP in the club. I have seen guys turn down girls because they took another guy before them. And I nearly got in a fight one time with a guy because I was on the way to the VIP with his stripper, thank fully the bouncers intervened.

All these guys have the illusion that she arrives at the club freshly showered from her home. I always suspected that many of these girls are banging their favorite customers right before their shift and you already guy number 2 even if you are her first in the club.

I don't really care but so many other guys seem to.

MM.

[Marelobo Mex]

This is a great point and I want to add to it...

Girls at non-extras clubs who have no pimp will usually be happy to see you for $500 or $1000 OTC, if they open to that type of activity.

Any girl you are getting FS from in an extras club for $150 to $300 has a pimp. Many of the girls above that price range still have a pimp. Whether they are a 2 or a 10, they have a pimp. The lower prices means that team is stacking on volume. They are usually brought to an extras club by a pimp to begin with, or are recruited by a pimp's bottom girl. They hide this well in the clubs and in social media. Usually a single pimp has several girls in a club, or girls at multiple clubs.

If you are a newbie and find this shocking, or even a veteran monger and did not realize it, it's a reality in Detroit. Usually dancers don't even know who other dancer's pimps are.

I say all this to make one point. Pimps decide if their girls can do OTC or not, not your charm or game.

DT,

I mean you no disrespect and believe your post is true for you.

The following statement is just false for me.

- Any girl you are getting FS from in an extras club for $150 to $300 has a pimp.

While many of the girls I may not know well enough to determine if she has a pimp, I am aware of over 20 girls I have gotten to know well and am believe with certainty they do not have pimps.

MM.

[Forty Four]

I glad that others have found some success.

There is no denying that meeting outside-the-club is riskier than inside-the-club. It's also more work than just getting an escort.

Almost every girl that I've seen outside-the-club, I've seen inside-the-club MANY times beforehand and developed a friendly relationship. I assume that they trusted me, and I didn't fear a disappointing outcome with them. A few times it "just kind of happened". It's weird that I would have no problem seeing Escorts that I've never met before, but Strippers required some type of connection first.

I've only felt comfortable bringing HOME 2 strippers for OTC. One lived with her parents, and I even met her father at a party she had. She did NOT have a pimp. The other was a single mom, and I've already been to her house several times and met her kids and roommates. It's unlikely she had a pimp. The only ones she seemed beholden to were her kids.

The other OTC Girls I've seen either at their place or a short stay motel. Did they have pimps? Who knows? If so, it was a non-issue.

Depending on the girl, she may only be open OTC to the equivalent of a "Club Quickie". Here the value of OTC is minimal compared to her performance inside-the-club. I agree, why bother going outside? Other girls may be open to more of a "date" experience. Most (of mine) were somewhere in-between (60-120 minutes and maybe some food time). True story: I took that single mom and her 2 boys to the circus. She was so grateful that afterwards she dropped them off at a friend's house and I spent the night (twice) for no charge.

I guess deep-down I'm an "Escort Guy" and find added-value in a quiet environment with a bed. Why even bother with strippers? I don't know, I guess I'm just "hard wired" to crave them like an addict craves drugs.

I chose my OTC targets wisely (with my big head), and even then, my OTC acceptance rate is nothing to brag about, but I'm happy with the wins, and happy that I asked.

Thinking more about this topic, I acknowledge that OTC would be more desirable for the younger guys than old farts like me. From Arianabp's past posts, I'm guessing he's in his 20's or 30's. He already paid for $500 escorts. I offer him encouragement to use his best judgement and give it a shot if he's interested.

[Stewy56]

This is a great point and I want to add to it...

Girls at non-extras clubs who have no pimp will usually be happy to see you for $500 or $1000 OTC, if they open to that type of activity.

Any girl you are getting FS from in an extras club for $150 to $300 has a pimp. Many of the girls above that price range still have a pimp. Whether they are a 2 or a 10, they have a pimp. The lower prices means that team is stacking on volume. They are usually brought to an extras club by a pimp to begin with, or are recruited by a pimp's bottom girl. They hide this well in the clubs and in social media. Usually a single pimp has several girls in a club, or girls at multiple clubs.

If you are a newbie and find this shocking, or even a veteran monger and did not realize it, it's a reality in Detroit. Usually dancers don't even know who other dancer's pimps are.

I say all this to make one point. Pimps decide if their girls can do OTC or not, not your charm or game.

To say "ALL" gals who work at "extras" clubs has a "pimp" is painting way too broad of a brush. If you include the many often deadbeat loser so called "boyfriends" who they support as their "pimps" this ratio increases for sure. There are PLENTY of strippers with no real boyfriends or pimps who work at "extras" clubs as the dynamics of working in this industry make meaningful serious relationships even more complex than they already are.