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  1. #20290

    OTC Success and Failure

    I only get to Detroit once in a long while, but I have had OTC success in nearby states particularly in recent years. Of course with success also comes failure. For the many strippers I've seen OTC there have been many I never could or whose asks were too high.

    Once you see 1 or 2 at a club its a lot easier to see many others if you wish.

    Some do more or less just want to do dances (hopefully with extras) but you can with some work get to a price point that works for both of you. Since most clubs take a pretty big cut of dance or private room fees & also make dancers pay a fee to work. You can usually agree to a rate where she gets more money and you also pay less money than at a club.

    Then others will go out to eat & hang out but are a bit shy about doing "private" dances.

    The best ones do both the private dances and hanging out.

    I found the key is to have steady communication without coming off as creepy and to connect on social media.

  2. #20289

    Wow!

    Quote Originally Posted by LazyLover  [View Original Post]
    "304" = hoe.

    It comes from a calculator joke: 304 upside-down spells "hOE. " Online it's used (usually derogatorily) to mean a woman who's seen as promiscuous or doing sex work.

    "16" = a pimp / handler.

    It's code used on some boards to refer to the guy managing or controlling the dancer's work, money, travel, etc.
    Jeeeeeeeeeee susssssssssssss Christ.

    I deleted my other comment. Nothing more needs to be said.

  3. #20288

    Back in time

    Wow this post took me back to the mid 80's.

    I worked as a DJ at a few of the clubs where most of the girls gave the money they made to their boyfriends. Most the guys were in bar bands and slept till 4 pm, partied at the bar with friends while their woman was on stage. They would say when he makes it big I will then have great life living the rock and roll dream.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stewy56  [View Original Post]
    Its often a very blurry line between some so-called "boyfriends" and "pimps" as many boyfriends are directly supported by the dancers. If the so-called "boyfriends" are supported by the dancers that essentially makes them "pimps" in some peoples eyes.

  4. #20287

    Definitions

    Quote Originally Posted by Bmarr77  [View Original Post]
    What is a 16 and 304?
    "304" = hoe.

    It comes from a calculator joke: 304 upside-down spells "hOE. " Online it's used (usually derogatorily) to mean a woman who's seen as promiscuous or doing sex work.

    "16" = a pimp / handler.

    It's code used on some boards to refer to the guy managing or controlling the dancer's work, money, travel, etc.

  5. #20286
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTraveler  [View Original Post]
    I am not talking about men adjacent to or dating dancers. Real 16's and their 304's make up nearly the entirety of the low cost FS scene in these clubs. A girl may move between different P's or stay with the same one for years, all while having babies, showing a normal life on instagram and living with a boyfriend. You may occasionally catch a renegade on solo but she is always soon enough back with a P. Its usually well hidden and you would never know if you aren't at after parties and other events.

    My main purpose in sharing this is so mongers don't get too caught up thinking there is a serious connection with someone, or throwing extra money at a girl to help them out. All the $$ is going to a P 99% of the time. It is a whole lifestyle and sometimes mutually beneficial in ways I won't get into. I am not for or against it.

    16's and 304's travel here because there is no other club scene like it in the country.
    What is a 16 and 304?

  6. #20285

    Real Pimpin

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanctimonious6  [View Original Post]
    It is indeed a blurry line, but I would suggest that just being supported by a dancer or other sex worker doesn't make a guy a pimp. It makes him a freeloader, just like any other guy being supported by his girlfriend regardless of what she does for a living. Seems to me a guy has to have some kind of involvement in her business in order to be a pimp. That involvement might simply be pressuring her to have sex for money so that he can sponge off her.
    I am not talking about men adjacent to or dating dancers. Real 16's and their 304's make up nearly the entirety of the low cost FS scene in these clubs. A girl may move between different P's or stay with the same one for years, all while having babies, showing a normal life on instagram and living with a boyfriend. You may occasionally catch a renegade on solo but she is always soon enough back with a P. Its usually well hidden and you would never know if you aren't at after parties and other events.

    My main purpose in sharing this is so mongers don't get too caught up thinking there is a serious connection with someone, or throwing extra money at a girl to help them out. All the $$ is going to a P 99% of the time. It is a whole lifestyle and sometimes mutually beneficial in ways I won't get into. I am not for or against it.

    16's and 304's travel here because there is no other club scene like it in the country.

  7. #20284

    Semantics

    Quote Originally Posted by Stewy56  [View Original Post]
    Its often a very blurry line between some so-called "boyfriends" and "pimps" as many boyfriends are directly supported by the dancers. If the so-called "boyfriends" are supported by the dancers that essentially makes them "pimps" in some peoples eyes.
    It is indeed a blurry line, but I would suggest that just being supported by a dancer or other sex worker doesn't make a guy a pimp. It makes him a freeloader, just like any other guy being supported by his girlfriend regardless of what she does for a living. Seems to me a guy has to have some kind of involvement in her business in order to be a pimp. That involvement might simply be pressuring her to have sex for money so that he can sponge off her.

  8. #20283

    Ridiculously huge natural breasts

    Does anyone have any recommendations? Preferably not a fatty. If so, can you suggest a name, club and shift? I'm talking natural DD and up.

    I know the thrill is in the hunt and I've got decades of that. But my time has become more limited these days. Thank you in advance!

  9. #20282

    Thanks for all the advice on OTC and in general. I really appreciate them.

    Thanks for all the advice on OTC and in general. I really appreciate them.

  10. #20281

    Anonymous Pimps

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTraveler  [View Original Post]
    No disrespect taken. If you never been on that side of the game it's completely hidden from you. I know a girl living with a boyfriend she met in the club 2 years ago and he has no idea she is still with her P. He doesn't know she ever had one.

    It's important to remember it's all an illusion, and this is the game taught to a girls dancers by their P. All the talk here about game and personality should be tempered with that.
    Its often a very blurry line between some so-called "boyfriends" and "pimps" as many boyfriends are directly supported by the dancers. If the so-called "boyfriends" are supported by the dancers that essentially makes them "pimps" in some peoples eyes.

  11. #20280

    Pimps

    Quote Originally Posted by MareloboMex  [View Original Post]

    I am aware of over 20 girls I have gotten to know well and am believe with certainty they do not have pimps.

    MM.
    No disrespect taken. If you never been on that side of the game it's completely hidden from you. I know a girl living with a boyfriend she met in the club 2 years ago and he has no idea she is still with her P. He doesn't know she ever had one.

    It's important to remember it's all an illusion, and this is the game taught to a girls dancers by their P. All the talk here about game and personality should be tempered with that.

  12. #20279

    H8 Tuesday afternoon

    Finally made it out to h8 first time in months. Went back with Alaxandra or something similar her name started with an a I know that and it was a little unique. I'd guess mid 30's she says she only works day and is soft spoken, nice girl. 4'11" b cup and a tight little ass, said she was a gymnast growing up I certainly believe it. Good performance in back, she could ride due to her stockings so hit it from behind, cars and CBJ for 140, she started at 200. I ended up giving a very small tip as well. She was very tight and seemed to really get into it rubbing herself I'm pretty sure I got a little wet on my legs but was standing at an weird angle due to the height difference. I came after 1 song, stayed in and pounded for 4 more songs I didn't cum a 2nd time but was close. I felt the condom falling off since she was so tight if I stayed in I'd definitely would have CIP I do admit she felt so good towards the end when I could really feel her.

    Overall I'd repeat would definitely ask for otc next time as I bet she's super fun tossing around. Looks were average face 5 or 6, tight nice body a 7 or so.

  13. #20278
    Quote Originally Posted by CakeComa  [View Original Post]
    Anyone try out a SC Sunday day shift yet since they turned on that schedule? I'm thinking about heading down to watch football today and wanted to know if it would be a worthy stop with decent talent? Tia.
    CC,

    Great post I didn't know this.

    Sunday is my usual day to fly into town so I would often do Sundays at BTs or going back a long time at Players.

    I found Sundays can be hit or miss. If the girls make good money on Thursday, Friday and Saturday, then Sunday would be slow and not a very good time. However if they didn't make money Sundays could have a lot of girls and be eager to get in the VIP.

    I also like the atmosphere and the vibe better on Sunday, it is more relaxed, hardly any make it rain guys, because they are really showing off for the other males to say I am an alpha. The girls tend to linger more and sit and talk with you as there are a lot less customers and I enjoy this.

    I will have to check it out.

    MM.

  14. #20277
    Quote Originally Posted by JackOfClubs  [View Original Post]
    I get asked to meet OTC the club all the time and after trying it a few times I realized it was not any better of an experience.
    Thank you JOC.

    I also get asked with a surprising frequency. Maybe these girls are pegging us a nice guys and won't take advantage or cheat them. I don't know how they could figure that out as I barely know them and am often offered shortly after meeting them.

    It is not my thing so I don't pursue it. For many of these girls, I always think about why is she offering it so soon. I worry I am the one getting scammed. I think maybe her pimp will come to the room and they will rob me. Maybe they will tail me and find out my license plate. I usually drive a rental car, but maybe they can figure out who rented the car, or they may learn my identity if I rent a room.

    I always feel like I have something to lose and they don't. I believe most of the times I wouldn't get cheated but I am usually more afraid than the girl. I would only want to do it with a girl that I have built a lot of rapport with.

    Maybe I am just a scaredy cat.

    MM.

  15. #20276
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezcumezgo80  [View Original Post]
    She used to work Sundays, which didn't open until later. she would tell him that she was going to the mall shopping before she would go to the club. I used to pick her up at the mall and take her to a hotel and fuck her for a couple of hours before her shift and then drop her back off at the mall.
    E80,

    I love this story. I see so many guys fighting to be the first to take her to the VIP in the club. I have seen guys turn down girls because they took another guy before them. And I nearly got in a fight one time with a guy because I was on the way to the VIP with his stripper, thank fully the bouncers intervened.

    All these guys have the illusion that she arrives at the club freshly showered from her home. I always suspected that many of these girls are banging their favorite customers right before their shift and you already guy number 2 even if you are her first in the club.

    I don't really care but so many other guys seem to.

    MM.

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