Massage Parlor Reports

[Rebccu]

I didn't see anything in the news or on the Daily Booking Report:

https://www.nashville.gov/department...y-booking-list

Does anyone have a link?

Sad to report, but these are indeed connected. I'm curious who it was, but there isn't a photo online like MJ.

[Ayasaki]

Your comparing Wilson Co vs Davidson Co.

Totally different universes of crime enforcement.

Also just spoke to Angla. She is on "vacation" for an extended time. Not interested in discussing anything beyond that and said not to contact her till she reaches out.

While I can see there is room for ambiguity with my particular reply, that one is not actually Davidson county centered. I focused on the second paragraph where he mused what would happen if they stopped using massage. My response is that it likely changes nothing based on Tennessee Massage Law. They have the same grounds to arrest folks working at Studio 22 as they do A Spa, If you touch "soft tissues" and you "receive compensation" which includes tips, donations, etc, you are in violation.

Anyway, I'm not a lawyer so that's not really worth it, I was just playing along. Best of luck to Angela.

[DogginUSA]

A part of me doubts it just because like the places themselves tend to not use the word massage outside of ads, which anyone can run. I won't do it but I think it would be amusing to advertise on the behalf of massage envy with the same kind of ads and see what happens.

But then you have studio 22 with this on their website "Studio 22 is NOT Associated with ANY Other Studio in Nashville! We are Privately Owned & Operated! We DO NOT OFFER Theraputic Massage Services! Our Providers are Relaxation Specialists & Are Not Liscensed Massage Therapist, Unless Otherwise Noted. We DO NOT Provide ANY ILLEGAL SERVICES AT ANY TIME! Studio 22 is an Equal Opportunity Employer. " Maybe that gives them wiggle room, or maybe the people behind these just really like targeting Asians haha. Gemini is certainly not a source for legal advice but even it thinks this would get them nailed.

Jokes aside though, body rub would likely fall afoul of the licensing requirements regardless.

"Massage/bodywork/somatic - The manipulation of the soft tissues of the body with the intention of positively affecting the health and well-being of the client. ".

They could spin it into a lesser charge by calling it reflexology but it is still a charge and they'd still likely nail them on the intent that it was going for a massage and not reflexology. Not receiving any compensation (including tips) is another route but there's no way they'd trust the customers enough and I'm sure at that point it would be questioned about why they are a business set up for free massages LOL.

And the real reason I have no confidence in this is if I figured this out in 30 minutes surely someone has already tried it and failed.

Your comparing Wilson Co vs Davidson Co.

Totally different universes of crime enforcement.

Also just spoke to Angla. She is on "vacation" for an extended time. Not interested in discussing anything beyond that and said not to contact her till she reaches out.

[Boedba]

I'm stealing someone else's thunder but if they posted it I think it won't show up until tomorrow due to the regular member penalty. I'll keep the rest of the details between us though.

So bad first: there has been an Asian female arrest today in our area. No photo no anything I can connect so I won't know, but the bond and such is normal so they're already out. Technically could be unrelated, but well it's unlikely, so guess the followup is here.

Texted and called no answer.

Went by today lady came to door in tears and just kept saying 'no open'. I asked if she was ok she said yes so I left quickly.

Heads up.

Sad to report, but these are indeed connected. I'm curious who it was, but there isn't a photo online like MJ.

[Ayasaki]

I'm stealing someone else's thunder but if they posted it I think it won't show up until tomorrow due to the regular member penalty. I'll keep the rest of the details between us though.

So bad first: there has been an Asian female arrest today in our area. No photo no anything I can connect so I won't know, but the bond and such is normal so they're already out. Technically could be unrelated, but well it's unlikely, so guess the followup is here.

Good (although still bad kinda): there's still at least one out there risking it. Not the best visit, the rain on the way there was a terrible decision on my part but I had other reasons for going this particular direction so I figured go for it. A place I haven't visited in months. Body rub was alright. The lady was nice though and agreeable. No appointment but that worked out by pure luck rather than that being a good idea. I learned the rain sometimes actually brings more of you by, which surprised me. Anyway, it is known like any other, but to keep up the illusion that it matters, I shall not write or hint at the name more than that.

[Stim69]

Texted and called no answer.

Went by today lady came to door in tears and just kept saying 'no open'. I asked if she was ok she said yes so I left quickly.

Heads up.

Worse. From what I was told. If you hear different, please update.

[TnMassage]

I believe one should avoid the AMPs, as they are an easy target, being a walk-in business model that does not screen client intake.

Better to hop on a plane to Tampa, Orlando, LA and other places where it isn't as scrutinized. The Agency business model is far safer for clients and providers, alike.

The FBI is involved because the girls came from New York. Anyone that has been to any of the AMPs here or practically anywhere know that they come from either flushing New York or Los Angeles. These girls travel here voluntarily and so it's not trafficking. The owners post ads on different Chinese recruiting sites and also have WeChat groups they use to recruit. Many girls who live in Flushing don't want to work where they live and they will go to areas that they are promised high tips in a wealthy area and a steady stream of business. I Agree with all previous comments that this county appears to be a no go zone. However, I don't think any clients that went here are going to have problems. Even if the MJ police want to make it bigger than just arresting these two, you have to have evidence that something wrong took place. I'm guessing that this was an undercover agent bust after a period of surveillance. Even if they have your car in surveillance footage and shots of you going inside that proves nothing. You were there to get a massage. Unless they catch you in the act or have video footage of the event taking place there's nothing they can do. I know of a friend in Flushing, who was in a store when it got raided the girl immediately ran out and left him there and he stayed as if nothing happened. He was questioned, but let go. There was previous mention of surveillance in the. All of these FS AMPs have surveillance systems set up, but it is not to monitor clients- unless they're being robbed or there is a crime and then they have a mug shot, but even then they rarely report these events to the. They will simply post the perpetrator in their groups and tell them to not service the person. The cameras are for the owners to be able to watch over the girls that they hire in the store to make sure they are not robbing them and they are working hard. Most of the girls in these stores do not know the owners and vice versa and it is a simple interview process usually over WeChat and a verbal agreement to start work.

[Ayasaki]

I believe one should avoid the AMPs, as they are an easy target, being a walk-in business model that does not screen client intake.

I already gave my answer to BravoFox about believing in the agencies as well. You risk being busted in on in the AMP. You risk being busted at home for dealing with an agency. I do both, so I can screwed either way.

Comrades in Seattle are sweating right now because one of their agencies "may" have been caught up. AsianPink "potentially" getting busted. Anyway, I'm not here to drive business one way or another, feel free to go or not go to an AMP. Just like how I went back to HFS after their own raid, I would continue to tell people that it is ok if they don't want to return. And even I gave them some space for awhile. If Aake7 never contacted the girls on my behalf, I probably never would have went back the first time haha.

Anyway for other friends, HFS has the day off I am told, so whether I wanted to risk it or not, I can't. So that's two locations going dark.

But I agree, this could go big. Really big. But I would never venture into Wilson county ever. Same for the Boro.

Yes I've been learning Murfreesboro has not been a good choice over time, so I guess this also joins the list. Still to be fair, I never travel out that far so they were never really a consideration for me. I just feel bad for those where it was a nice option closer to where they are.

If it does lead to an end to everything going on recently, then so be it. I've never been committed to this, just have enjoyed being able to get easy access to what I thought was a fantasy in a far off land. But I won't cry doom and gloom until something more comes, so I'll watch the same as the rest of you. I'm less knowledgeable about places like this though so if anyone gets other real updates, feel free to inform us.

[DaVinciMonet]

I believe one should avoid the AMPs, as they are an easy target, being a walk-in business model that does not screen client intake.

Better to hop on a plane to Tampa, Orlando, LA and other places where it isn't as scrutinized. The Agency business model is far safer for clients and providers, alike.

Man. Bummer. She wasn't a service queen when she was at HFS but she had a great body.

[JudeJames]

The bond is high because it's Wilson county. I don't think their organization will pay for their bond. This would never have developed the way it did if it was under the weak the in Davidson.

Mt Juliet is so good at policing, but all they have to do is call the local FBI Agent and they take a look and get involved. They ask themselves is this Federal? And if the girls admit to traveling across state lines then yes it is.

The prior post about LPR's and connecting you to this, that's way overkill.

But I agree, this could go big. Really big. But I would never venture into Wilson county ever. Same for the Boro.

No Asians in recent bookings here so far. But could still be unfortunate fallout from the other things (the robberies and the Mt Juliet stuff).

Like I said seems like they really got enthusiastic about this one (the bond for the two are 10000 each charge, that's way higher than the recent ones). If they are closing up here, it might be a sign fallout is coming back for our home territory. My confidence in the situation here was basically around the followup, of which there was always minimal in the past year. People come in say they knew it was coming, no guy ever reports being charged, and then everyone just goes to another one and overall the situation remains.

I've been involved in this (which again is tiny compared to many of you) but fed stuff is out of my league and was the one thing I was counting on them never caring about. It's just like the Boston thing. Both Mass and VA were a part of that, but only the Cambridge / Boston ones did anything and I believe that was because the fed leaned on them (and a councilman was involved).

[Rebccu]

Both mugshots are posted here:

https://portal.wcso95.org/Jail?hours=72&pagenum=2

I believe one should avoid the AMPs, as they are an easy target, being a walk-in business model that does not screen client intake.

Better to hop on a plane to Tampa, Orlando, LA and other places where it isn't as scrutinized. The Agency business model is far safer for clients and providers, alike.

No Asians in recent bookings here so far. But could still be unfortunate fallout from the other things (the robberies and the Mt Juliet stuff).

Like I said seems like they really got enthusiastic about this one (the bond for the two are 10000 each charge, that's way higher than the recent ones). If they are closing up here, it might be a sign fallout is coming back for our home territory. My confidence in the situation here was basically around the followup, of which there was always minimal in the past year. People come in say they knew it was coming, no guy ever reports being charged, and then everyone just goes to another one and overall the situation remains.

I've been involved in this (which again is tiny compared to many of you) but fed stuff is out of my league and was the one thing I was counting on them never caring about. It's just like the Boston thing. Both Mass and VA were a part of that, but only the Cambridge / Boston ones did anything and I believe that was because the fed leaned on them (and a councilman was involved)..

[Ayasaki]

Texted and called no answer.

Went by today lady came to door in tears and just kept saying 'no open'. I asked if she was ok she said yes so I left quickly.

Heads up.

No Asians in recent bookings here so far. But could still be unfortunate fallout from the other things (the robberies and the Mt Juliet stuff).

Like I said seems like they really got enthusiastic about this one (the bond for the two are 10000 each charge, that's way higher than the recent ones). If they are closing up here, it might be a sign fallout is coming back for our home territory. My confidence in the situation here was basically around the followup, of which there was always minimal in the past year. People come in say they knew it was coming, no guy ever reports being charged, and then everyone just goes to another one and overall the situation remains.

I've been involved in this (which again is tiny compared to many of you) but fed stuff is out of my league and was the one thing I was counting on them never caring about. It's just like the Boston thing. Both Mass and VA were a part of that, but only the Cambridge / Boston ones did anything and I believe that was because the fed leaned on them (and a councilman was involved).

But hey whatever, is in play, it's too late. If they self close early they can get out ahead and come back. And we have no power in this situation regardless. And I believe they know what they are risking regardless if they stay so while I wish my favorites well, there is still no point in worrying for them in my book.

[Ayasaki]

Yeah setting up anywhere in the Wilson County police state was a bad idea from the start. I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did and didn't get shut down immediately.

Also I've always wondered if a place avoided using the word massage and just said body rubs or something like that, would it help protect against the "unlicensed professional" charges? It seems like that or "human trafficking" is always the hammer they use to go after these places, besides the obvious one of course.

A part of me doubts it just because like the places themselves tend to not use the word massage outside of ads, which anyone can run. I won't do it but I think it would be amusing to advertise on the behalf of massage envy with the same kind of ads and see what happens.

But then you have studio 22 with this on their website "Studio 22 is NOT Associated with ANY Other Studio in Nashville! We are Privately Owned & Operated! We DO NOT OFFER Theraputic Massage Services! Our Providers are Relaxation Specialists & Are Not Liscensed Massage Therapist, Unless Otherwise Noted. We DO NOT Provide ANY ILLEGAL SERVICES AT ANY TIME! Studio 22 is an Equal Opportunity Employer. " Maybe that gives them wiggle room, or maybe the people behind these just really like targeting Asians haha. Gemini is certainly not a source for legal advice but even it thinks this would get them nailed.

Jokes aside though, body rub would likely fall afoul of the licensing requirements regardless.

"Massage/bodywork/somatic - The manipulation of the soft tissues of the body with the intention of positively affecting the health and well-being of the client. ".

They could spin it into a lesser charge by calling it reflexology but it is still a charge and they'd still likely nail them on the intent that it was going for a massage and not reflexology. Not receiving any compensation (including tips) is another route but there's no way they'd trust the customers enough and I'm sure at that point it would be questioned about why they are a business set up for free massages LOL.

And the real reason I have no confidence in this is if I figured this out in 30 minutes surely someone has already tried it and failed.

[NunyaBiznesss]

Texted and called no answer.

Went by today lady came to door in tears and just kept saying 'no open'. I asked if she was ok she said yes so I left quickly.

Heads up.

[Stim69]

The FBI is involved here because there was illegal taping and surveillance happening inside the massage parlor. They had cameras (and possibly audio) recording in the massage rooms. They are trying to find out who put the recording devices there and for what purpose. So the video / audio there + the LPR data that extensively covers MJ is going to lead to some awkward conversations with the patrons soon.

There has to be a lot more to this situation. I guess in certain circumstances this could happen. Who put them there, and no one knows? I would not be so worried about LPR data but video and audio in a room is totally unacceptable.