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[PokerBrah]

I didn't notice but I guess this was a recent upgrade after the various DDOS upgrades etc?

This site is now HTTPS when it was forever HTTP only.

Woohoo.

[Drunkie15]

DH kind of works like corgs in the US, because girls keep all tips and the shop has nothing to do with upcharges. They don't take a cut or even want to know what happens. It's why girls are so eager to upcharge because they get only part of the base rate. And in turn, it's why not a lot of jgirls show up in the US without offering bb because it defeats the point of making lots of extra money fast. So naturally, the girls who show up here are filtered that way. The fact that almost all jgirls here offer bb does not represent the breakdown in Japan.

Soapland otoh is fixed rate and it's an important part of the concept. Shopkeepers don't want any money going straight from customers to the girls. But not every shop is that strict, they want happy customers too.

Yes, there is a lot of discrimination and it is a very wide spectrum. 20 years ago I browsed soapland with a Japanese speaking Japanese American friend, but they still wanted to charge him the foreigner tax. Whereas at "light service" shops like oppai pubs, I always got charged the same as locals. There are complicated reasons for this but fs shops more often charge tax and discriminate.

To use oppai pubs as an example, most have minimum language requirements but this is for communication so customers understand the rules and can communicate with staff when being offered extensions and upcharges. If you just go with a Japanese speaking friend, you are welcome even without speaking a word of Japanese. You can even go alone next time (showing a card or receipt from last visit), so the discrimination at light service shops tends to be language alone. Anyone who speaks enough Japanese is let into the vast majority of oppai pubs. One time I saw one Asian guy lead 5 White Amerians into an oppai pub, and the Asian guy could barely speak enough Japanese to do it. The shop's main concern is with guys not running out on their tab or breaking obvious common sense rules. The other main concern is if you can't speak Japanese, how will they upcharge you which is their whole business model. That's why if you go with a friend or are a returning customer, they're cool with you.

Some girls won't take foreigners, others love foreigners or deliberately only see foreigners (working for foreigners-only shops in Japan). Gingira Nanase told me in years, her best customers were mostly foreigners. Mostly from Asia. Every girl has a different take on it.

The various forms of discrimination suck, but they are mostly financially motivated. These days, many shops love to welcome foreign customers but are charging the foreigner tax "because they can". To the point where if you are a foreigner but legal local resident, you get the local rate. Legal residents are considered lower risk because they can't run away if there's a serious problem. Oppai staff have told me runaways (usually without paying) are the number one concern, with a clear divide in behavior between local foreigners versus tourist foreigners. It takes just a few incidents to be a problem. So the foreigner tax is actually an "inbound tax" aka tourist tax. Meaning even a Japanese American visitor still pays it. It is simply greed.

The upside is my Japanese American friend said screw the soaplands, and took me to korgs. 20+ years ago, korgs in Japan had the wildest system. You hung around in the living room watching TV with the kgirls, and they were all college-aged young girls. Then you picked the one you wanted. You got to do this twice, and it worked out to about $80 each girl. When I found out you could pay extra to pick three girls, I did that instead.

Yeah that all checks out, a lot of the girls that come here from japan are DH girls, I usually try to find out if they have CH page.

Oppai pubs (sekukyaba) are awesome, I speak just enough japanese to get every one that I tried solo. Honestly it was more fun than some other fuzoku since you get to practice japanese and kiss cute girls (not all of the girls are cute tbh, but still fun). Agreed with that in regards to knowing and explaining the rules, the staff at the front tend to speak zero english. From what I heard from girls in japan, they really are not big fans of the Chinese tourists to put it extremely lightly.

Those korgs sound like a fantastic time, but 20+ years ago puts me in school still.

[PokerBrah]

Miko def fake pics, source: 1 second of google image search = AI influencer instagram.

The AI blinking is unsettling.

Pretty sure Iroha was in DC earlier this year, some of those pics look familiar.

Lets be real here, most of the girls that come to the US are very much here for the $$.

Of course, why would anyone want to be a hooker sucking stranger's cock and letting them cum inside. .

I will say there were 2 rare exceptions that they were looking for money and also looking for love in all of the wrong places. They met some lucky dumb fuck and he's still smiling to this day.


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I'm not saying that BB does not happen for foreigners at soaps at all. My point is highlighting the difference between how much it's advertised as an upcharge in america, and how it's not an upcharge at soaps but there's a bit of foreigner discrimination in japan at shops (extra charges for being not japanese, condom "mandatory" disclaimers in english only). I just don't want to give people the impression that japan is a magical land of free BBFS without doing any research into shops+girls.

I haven't used DH so I won't speak on it. Only soaps, shinchi, sekukyaba, and onakura.

DH kind of works like corgs in the US, because girls keep all tips and the shop has nothing to do with upcharges. They don't take a cut or even want to know what happens. It's why girls are so eager to upcharge because they get only part of the base rate. And in turn, it's why not a lot of jgirls show up in the US without offering bb because it defeats the point of making lots of extra money fast. So naturally, the girls who show up here are filtered that way. The fact that almost all jgirls here offer bb does not represent the breakdown in Japan.

Soapland otoh is fixed rate and it's an important part of the concept. Shopkeepers don't want any money going straight from customers to the girls. But not every shop is that strict, they want happy customers too.

Some girls won't take foreigners, others love foreigners or deliberately only see foreigners (working for foreigners-only shops in Japan). Gingira Nanase told me in years, her best customers were mostly foreigners. Mostly from Asia. Every girl has a different take on it.

[Meiji]

I)I just don't want to give people the impression that japan is a magical land of free BBFS without doing any research into shops+girls.

I think this is the most important bit. Japan is the land of YMMV and you have to take what you get with a smile. If you get pissed because a girl doesn't give.

You a menu item that's advertised elsewhere, you may not only annoy the girl, you might annoy the org and make it even tougher for others to get service at all.

[Drunkie15]

At a soapland like Etoile for example, either the girl allows foreigners at all or doesn't. If she does, you get bb. After all, we are all reviewing them. We know what they do. I have had no trouble getting bb in Japan, so you are just passing along wrong info. Girls are going to refuse guys if they don't seem clean or safe. Including locals. Pretty much every shop has rules listed out talking about behavior or cleanliness.

Shops in Japan cannot legally advertise fs let alone bb or they get shut down fast by police. It is the open advertisement of fs itself that is illegal. Once the door closes all bets are off, same as a strip club (girls bang all the time in strip clubs but no strip club is going to make a commercial about it). Links to ISG don't always pop to the right post, but see post 13966 explaining the legal situation in Japan:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2968569 Japan legal situation

Shops are not advertising bb, that is wrong information. But it is offered sometimes. You would think I can tell whether or not I am bb with a jgirl. So you must be thinking of a different country.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post3007004 DH reviews

AT DH when it comes to fs itself, girls refuse Japanese locals for various reasons. I've asked girls their rationale and it always comes to if the guy seems clean, safe, reasonable behavior. I have gotten fs from 100% of DH girls. BB is about 50-50 first visit, video and photo varies based on boundaries (some are no face, some are photo only or selfie only) but it is very high if you include every variant. That is what ymmv means.

GFE only means the girl does not offer bb to anyone. It's not common in the US. In Japan, it's also up to the girl but can be ymmv. Lately, some girls prefer foreign customers because they pay more so they work for shops that cater only to foreigners in Japan. They are some of the biggest shops in Japan. So really, there are many girls who do not bang Japanese anymore.

I can only speak to my own experiences. Etoile is still on my list to visit, I couldn't get a booking last time I was there earlier this year (was hoping to see Anzu). Advertised is in quotes for that reason, you're absolutely right. Technically, FS is not even guaranteed at soaps, you're just paying to get washed up by a pretty girl and then "oh no you fell in love" in private. I have read incredibly rare reviews where soap girls refused FS but that has never happened in my experience.

I'm not saying that BB does not happen for foreigners at soaps at all. My point is highlighting the difference between how much it's advertised as an upcharge in america, and how it's not an upcharge at soaps but there's a bit of foreigner discrimination in japan at shops (extra charges for being not japanese, condom "mandatory" disclaimers in english only). I just don't want to give people the impression that japan is a magical land of free BBFS without doing any research into shops+girls.

I haven't used DH so I won't speak on it. Only soaps, shinchi, sekukyaba, and onakura.

[Meiji]

GFE only means the girl does not offer bb to anyone. It's not common in the US. In Japan, it's also up to the girl but can be ymmv. Lately, some girls prefer foreign customers because they pay more so they work for shops that cater only to foreigners in Japan. They are some of the biggest shops in Japan. So really, there are many girls who do not bang Japanese anymore.

It's been 5 years or so since I was in Japan but when I was there, but behavior ran the gamut. Kgirls that didn't allow for BB, kgirls that did, j-girls that didn't offer FS much less BB, and on the other hand I saw a cute 20-something in Tobita (Osaka) that was fine with BB with a tip.

Be clean and groomed and polite and if you ask nicely and be fine with a 'no', you'll often get better options than not.

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[Drunkie15]

Miko looks kind of hot. Probably fake pics


📍Flushing (1 babe):

➕ Miko 13 https://shisanyi1818.com/view/4101 $240/$400/$600.

📍DMV (2 babes):

➕ Kurumi ABFY https://www.asianbutterfly.online/. -blinks a lot. COF defense?

➕ Iroha ABFY https://www.asianbutterfly.online/ $280/$330/$380. - I think she's the long face girl


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Like 1 out of 50 but they exist. Some did not allow BB then changed mind or allow BB COP then realized people will CIP more.

Miko def fake pics, source: 1 second of google image search = AI influencer instagram.

The AI blinking is unsettling.

Pretty sure Iroha was in DC earlier this year, some of those pics look familiar.

Lets be real here, most of the girls that come to the US are very much here for the $$.

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Interestingly enough, a lot of soaps in japan will do BB for japanese customers, but make foreigners wrap it up. Some shops "advertise" being BB and others say no "NS" (BB) but really it's up to the girls (obviously YMMV). I found it kind of funny starting p4 p in japan where basically every shop I visited had "condoms are mandatory for foreigners" on a sign in english, and then afterwards starting p4 p in the states and seeing BB as an upcharge that most girls do (money talks). BB is not an upcharge at soaps though. The worst thing is some soap girls will also only do covered BJ, but I'd say that's more rare. Again high case of YMMV with all of this, speaking more japanese helps a lot since you can make girls feel more comfortable and more easily build rapport.

Also, what do you mean by GFE only jgirls?

At a soapland like Etoile for example, either the girl allows foreigners at all or doesn't. If she does, you get bb. After all, we are all reviewing them. We know what they do. I have had no trouble getting bb in Japan, so you are just passing along wrong info. Girls are going to refuse guys if they don't seem clean or safe. Including locals. Pretty much every shop has rules listed out talking about behavior or cleanliness.

Shops in Japan cannot legally advertise fs let alone bb or they get shut down fast by police. It is the open advertisement of fs itself that is illegal. Once the door closes all bets are off, same as a strip club (girls bang all the time in strip clubs but no strip club is going to make a commercial about it). Links to ISG don't always pop to the right post, but see post 13966 explaining the legal situation in Japan:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2968569 Japan legal situation

Shops are not advertising bb, that is wrong information. You must be thinking of a different country.

AT DH when it comes to fs itself, girls refuse Japanese locals for various reasons. I've asked girls their rationale and it always comes to if the guy seems clean, safe, reasonable behavior. I have gotten fs from 100% of DH girls. BB is about 50-50 first visit, video and photo varies based on boundaries (some are no face, some are photo only or selfie only) but it is very high if you include every variant. That is what ymmv means.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post3007004 DH reviews

GFE only means the girl does not offer bb to anyone. It's not common in the US. In Japan, it's also up to the girl but can be ymmv. Lately, some girls prefer foreign customers because they pay more so they work for shops that cater only to foreigners in Japan. They are some of the biggest shops in Japan. So really, there are many girls who do not bang Japanese anymore.

[PokerBrah]

Miko looks kind of hot. Probably fake pics


📍Flushing (1 babe):

➕ Miko 13 https://shisanyi1818.com/view/4101 $240/$400/$600.

📍DMV (2 babes):

➕ Kurumi ABFY https://www.asianbutterfly.online/. -blinks a lot. COF defense?

➕ Iroha ABFY https://www.asianbutterfly.online/ $280/$330/$380. - I think she's the long face girl

There are a small percentage of JGirls that won't allow BBFS or might be YMMV / UTR BBFS. But it has been proven that dicks with dollars can make BBFS happen.

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Like 1 out of 50 but they exist. Some did not allow BB then changed mind or allow BB COP then realized people will CIP more.

[DrunkenKid]

Also, what do you mean by GFE only jgirls?

There are a small percentage of JGirls that won't allow BBFS or might be YMMV / UTR BBFS. But it has been proven that dicks with dollars can make BBFS happen.

[SeniorHedonist]

Yep seen Taylor, also been to Sunshine a few times with Coco and Ruby. Rachel is on my list, how's her greek?

Haven't ventured into Flushing much but I'm aware of PA Michelle, anyone else noteworthy in the area?

Everyone fixates on Taylor's goat throat. It's awesome, for sure, but I actually prefer fuckung her ass raw. She can open up wide enough to take me as deep as possible. I've been in that position doggy with her solo and with another provider who was lying spread eagled in front of Taylor while Taylor was going down on her. Michelle in flushing equally accommodating with Greek bare. Both she and Taylor will do just about anything and I do mean anything.

[Drunkie15]

Well, for example Japan has a very high rate of shotgun weddings. They do love bb more than anyone. It actually gets more popular every generation:

Among touring jgirls, GFE only jgirls do exist but you don't expect it often.

Interestingly enough, a lot of soaps in japan will do BB for japanese customers, but make foreigners wrap it up. Some shops "advertise" being BB and others say no "NS" (BB) but really it's up to the girls (obviously YMMV). I found it kind of funny starting p4 p in japan where basically every shop I visited had "condoms are mandatory for foreigners" on a sign in english, and then afterwards starting p4 p in the states and seeing BB as an upcharge that most girls do (money talks). BB is not an upcharge at soaps though. The worst thing is some soap girls will also only do covered BJ, but I'd say that's more rare. Again high case of YMMV with all of this, speaking more japanese helps a lot since you can make girls feel more comfortable and more easily build rapport.

Also, what do you mean by GFE only jgirls?

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Interesting. I'd heard otherwise. Good info.

Well, for example Japan has a very high rate of shotgun weddings. They do love bb more than anyone. It actually gets more popular every generation:

Of the 569,000 first births recorded by the ministry for 2000, 26 percent were to women who had become pregnant before marrying.
https://www.prb.org/resources/shotgu...imes-in-japan/
https://stats-japan.com/t/kiji/14304

Shotgun weddings are on the same order of magnitude as abortions btw. I'll also add that obviously JAV is popular in Japan, but also amateur porn as a hobby. You could say both BB and video are national past times. It does translate - there is much less stigma to offering it, too. Even though some jgirls are against these ideas, they all hear their friends openly offering it. That's the opposite environment of cgirls, for example.

Among touring jgirls, GFE only jgirls do exist but you don't expect it often.

[Markro3000]

Of course they do. J girls is all I am looking at up there.

JGirls will BB. It's in their culture.

Interesting. I'd heard otherwise. Good info.