Stupid Shit in NoVa

[RocketManP]

Love how you asked for an apology. The shills / bootlickers would never. Could never. Do this.

They would never dare to stand up to someone in position of power.

There are clowns who asked for proof, well here's the proof. They all quiet now.

[JaySinn]

Screenshots of booker from ATM. Overanalyze this all you want.

[Shinshi]

Well damn, that made for an entertaining read, haha!

Sidenote, someone had mentioned P411 earlier which is what I had used many years ago before letting the subscription expire.

Does anyone know if most Asian agencies here still accept that for screening purposes? Because if so, that might be very useful as much of my shit is outdated there & I wouldn't be forfeiting too much PII. Thanks in advance.

[Admin2]

The next one of you guys that brings this up on a review forum again gets banned, no warnings, no notice.

A2

Your still talking about this?

How about this show me one piece of evidence this is true?

All I have heard so far is a customer complaining about the way he treated (yet he went back for seconds).

I have done business with that agency and was never treated that way.

I haven't heard any other person here say" yeah man the PO at that place teats me bad too".

So when you have evidence (screenshot or another person saying they did that to me too).

Let me know.

Stop white knighting this place. He thinks it sucks, that's all you need to know. If you think it doesn't then write a fucking review.

A2

Do you also say thank you sir for the insult and my berating, can I have some more?

Do you bow down to them too? Slam your forehead in the ground?

You guys keep trying to excuse the bookers behavior and lecture the monger on what he could've done. While ignoring what the booker could've done to avoid this as well. Starting with oh I dunno, not berating your own client maybe?

All these bookers think they're hot shit and have unlimited power because they gatekeep pussy and suffer no consequences.

Where are the lectures about how the po -someone doing a customer facing job. Has a fuse shorter than a mosquito dick, discipline of a heron addict and politeness of drunk sailor?

Yet the customer is blamed for this. Somehow po can do no wrong. Smh.

Just a few months ago a customer in the bay area posted a po insulting him and being an abolsute asshole over customer asking whether Greek was available. A normal question and po treated him like a piece of garbage.

And the funniest thing? If the roles were reversed the po would take none of the abuse he / she expects the clients to take. Because we'll, double standards.

I guess it's all fine to yall since po gives you pussy. If you like for your dignity to be bought with pussy, I guess more power to you.

Everybody understands you hate this place, you should never go back. If you bring this up on a review thread again I will ban you.

A2

Apologize for the miscommunication.

Part ways stating you don't like the mistreatment.

Wait a day to cooldown.

Post your interaction on forum.

I'm referring to before the events. To avoid a situation of any threats made in the first place.

Good talk.

Thanks.

Stop instigating shit, not everybody is as amused as you are.

A2

[Rkoppa]

Do you also say thank you sir for the insult and my berating, can I have some more?

Do you bow down to them too? Slam your forehead in the ground?

You guys keep trying to excuse the bookers behavior and lecture the monger on what he could've done. While ignoring what the booker could've done to avoid this as well. Starting with oh I dunno, not berating your own client maybe?

All these bookers think they're hot shit and have unlimited power because they gatekeep pussy and suffer no consequences.

Where are the lectures about how the po -someone doing a customer facing job. Has a fuse shorter than a mosquito dick, discipline of a heron addict and politeness of drunk sailor?

Yet the customer is blamed for this. Somehow po can do no wrong. Smh..

Your still talking about this?

How about this show me one piece of evidence this is true?

All I have heard so far is a customer complaining about the way he treated (yet he went back for seconds).

I have done business with that agency and was never treated that way.

I haven't heard any other person here say" yeah man the PO at that place teats me bad too".

So when you have evidence (screenshot or another person saying they did that to me too).

Let me know.

[RocketManP]

Do you also say thank you sir for the insult and my berating, can I have some more?

Do you bow down to them too? Slam your forehead in the ground?

You guys keep trying to excuse the bookers behavior and lecture the monger on what he could've done. While ignoring what the booker could've done to avoid this as well. Starting with oh I dunno, not berating your own client maybe?

All these bookers think they're hot shit and have unlimited power because they gatekeep pussy and suffer no consequences.

Where are the lectures about how the po -someone doing a customer facing job. Has a fuse shorter than a mosquito dick, discipline of a heron addict and politeness of drunk sailor?

Yet the customer is blamed for this. Somehow po can do no wrong. Smh.

Just a few months ago a customer in the bay area posted a po insulting him and being an abolsute asshole over customer asking whether Greek was available. A normal question and po treated him like a piece of garbage.

And the funniest thing? If the roles were reversed the po would take none of the abuse he / she expects the clients to take. Because we'll, double standards.

I guess it's all fine to yall since po gives you pussy. If you like for your dignity to be bought with pussy, I guess more power to you.

Apologize for the miscommunication.

Part ways stating you don't like the mistreatment.

Wait a day to cooldown.

Post your interaction on forum.

I'm referring to before the events. To avoid a situation of any threats made in the first place.

Good talk.

Thanks.

[Heh1177]

Honestly I think everyone in this board should just agree to not go to ATM anymore, mongering is always going to come with some degree of risk, but what ATM did is clearly unacceptable. Even though I've never had any problems with them, I'll be avoiding them from now on as should everyone else on here.

Speaking only for myself, I've always had very professional dealings with this booker, dating back two years. Used P411 to verify, so no issue with PII, even if things go south. And the ATM girls IMO are just as good as the other k-orgs. So I'll continue to use them. As someone else noted. As it is for me. It's about the girls, not the booker.

[BoMcC]

Again, the conflict happened. And the Booker threatened to out his pii info. For many mongers, outing pii info means a ruined life. A ruined career and / or family.

If the Booker resorts to that in a verbal conflict, this is a big problem. How many more times would the boomer resort to that threat?

I don't agree about announcing being a threat, but for arguments sake let's say it is.

Sharing this experience might help someone come forward and say:

1) they were shut down by the agency the same way when they said they would post a public complaint.

2) they actually did something like this and the agency did out them somehow. To their spouce, their place of employment or the cops.

Just because they said they'd do it, doesn't mean they will. It also doesn't mean they haven't done it already. Not everyone who uses these agencies posts or reads these boards.

[Todas]

I'm still going.

We don't even know if this is true or not, even if it is I'm still going.

I go for the girls not the booker.

That's like saying I'm not going to my favorite bar cause the hostess is a ***** to me.

Like you said we all take a certain risk with this but for some reason people don't think that I'm not sure why.

Truth be told I think over time you all will go back and the people that say I won't sign up will once some popular girls comes (Kimmy, Jamie, Hani retired, Jane).

I have had bad experiences before not on Jay level at asianbittterfly and thought also to myself, "I'm never going back blah blah this and that".

But I ultimately did cause quite honestly I'm going for the girls not booker.

You can say there other agencies too but it ain't like everyone clicks with every girl.

But you do what you think is right.

BTW I also agree with you bookers should never threaten pi information under any circumstances just unprofessional.

To general discussion, I say go at your own risk, it might just be a one time thing. But yes every agency keeps your info.

[Azf06]

Apologize for the miscommunication.

Part ways stating you don't like the mistreatment.

Wait a day to cooldown.

Post your interaction on forum.

I'm referring to before the events. To avoid a situation of any threats made in the first place.

Good talk.

Thanks.

Apologize for being berated?

Apologize for them threatening yo ruin your life?

Oh OK sure. And if a monger threatens a girl with violence then the po should apologize and deescalate too.

We should have exact same standards here.

The issue is the po has a big ego and leverages pii when he / she hears something they don't like.

The solution is. Get rid of the po. If they don't have discipline to not threaten doxxing, they should be bagging groceries.

I am damn sure never apologizing or bootlicking someone who abuses position of power, when I dsi nothing wrong.

[Rkoppa]

Honestly I think everyone in this board should just agree to not go to ATM anymore, mongering is always going to come with some degree of risk, but what ATM did is clearly unacceptable. Even though I've never had any problems with them, I'll be avoiding them from now on as should everyone else on here.

I'm still going.

We don't even know if this is true or not, even if it is I'm still going.

I go for the girls not the booker.

That's like saying I'm not going to my favorite bar cause the hostess is a ***** to me.

Like you said we all take a certain risk with this but for some reason people don't think that I'm not sure why.

Truth be told I think over time you all will go back and the people that say I won't sign up will once some popular girls comes (Kimmy, Jamie, Hani retired, Jane).

I have had bad experiences before not on Jay level at asianbittterfly and thought also to myself, "I'm never going back blah blah this and that".

But I ultimately did cause quite honestly I'm going for the girls not booker.

You can say there other agencies too but it ain't like everyone clicks with every girl.

But you do what you think is right.

BTW I also agree with you bookers should never threaten pi information under any circumstances just unprofessional.

[Almel89]

Apologize for being berated?

Apologize for them threatening yo ruin your life?

Oh OK sure. And if a monger threatens a girl with violence then the po should apologize and deescalate too.

We should have exact same standards here.

The issue is the po has a big ego and leverages pii when he / she hears something they don't like.

The solution is. Get rid of the po. If they don't have discipline to not threaten doxxing, they should be bagging groceries.

I am damn sure never apologizing or bootlicking someone who abuses position of power, when I dsi nothing wrong.

Honestly I think everyone in this board should just agree to not go to ATM anymore, mongering is always going to come with some degree of risk, but what ATM did is clearly unacceptable. Even though I've never had any problems with them, I'll be avoiding them from now on as should everyone else on here.

[RocketManP]

I agree with you in part, but I believe the real issue is that an agency that keeps the pii of its customers will end up on the news just like those three (3) stooges in the Boston top ten bust. Customers also got busted BTW. As you may recall there were ties down here too. BEG! He said, She said, is really NOT important. If you're an agency and reading this, once confirmed, please delete your customer's pii. Don't be those three stooges! If you're a customer, please ask the agency to delete your information. Of course, everything I expressed is pure fiction, opinion, and / or just made up. Your honor.

If you think agencies actually delete the pii info you're naive. They don't. They might tell you they did but they won't.

They keep it so that they have something in case the client is a dangerous guy.

Or, in this case of this po who shouldn't po anymore, they weaponize it for absolutely nothing.

[RocketManP]

Apologize for being berated?

Apologize for them threatening yo ruin your life?

Oh OK sure. And if a monger threatens a girl with violence then the po should apologize and deescalate too.

We should have exact same standards here.

The issue is the po has a big ego and leverages pii when he / she hears something they don't like.

The solution is. Get rid of the po. If they don't have discipline to not threaten doxxing, they should be bagging groceries.

I am damn sure never apologizing or bootlicking someone who abuses position of power, when I dsi nothing wrong.

Making decisions with their little head instead of their big head.

You gifted her the ammunition. Homie didn't think of self preservation and did an ego check. And analyzing his faults is a good thing on this information forum so future mongers can be made aware of the risks and how to handle / not handle similar situations.

Deescalate. Apologize. Confirm safety. Then spread your experience to the whole world. Maybe it's different in California and they have the customer is always right type shit? T_T.

Side note: Does Elin from AG look familiar? I feel like I saw her pic from a Cali store a month ago.

[Noworth]

I understand what you're saying, and I think that some people are contrarian or oddly empathize with ATM as they may run a business? Like some of the arguments going on in the other thread, I don't agree with the angle of "you made a private conversation public". That's really odd considering the purpose of this site.

I think where OP went wrong is announcing to ATM that they are going to post about it. That does nothing but antagonize and escalate the whole thing since it's like a form of blackmail. What do you think is going to happen by telling them you're going to post it? They're going to say sorry and change? No, they also effed up and retaliated with their form of blackmail.

If I had to point fingers as to who is in the wrong more, it would be ATM due to the gravity of the information they threatened and they have way more to lose in the form of trust / reputation. But again, while I don't think it's wrong to have shared this, it's a terrible move to point it out to the booker that you're going to critique them directly. It's way different than complaining to them about a girl.

It's funny to me that much of the discussion, very argumentative by some, around the post is focused on something everyone has expressed agreement with: the threat of disclosing PII was wrong.

Even if people agreed on which side was responsible for the blow up or started the threats what do that do for insights for how to avoid such events in the future? For Jay it seems there were initially two general problems: 1) a messed up schedule where the two sides thought the day was different and 2) dissatisfaction with the things the booker said when he wasn't available to quickly respond the the booker's texts looking for the appointment confirmation.

Not enough info about the first issue, but probably things like echoing back what the other says and repeating details to be sure both are on the same page helps in general. Having the phone handy around when you're expected to be available to respond seems like it would have prevented the second issue. And as you note, there was never any good reason to tell the book about making a public statement about their interaction. Had that never been said no threats about PII would have been made.

Seems like too often people want to focus on blaming and punishing rather that improving and solving problems.