Stupid Shit in NoVa

[RocketManP]

I agree with you in part, but I believe the real issue is that an agency that keeps the pii of its customers will end up on the news just like those three (3) stooges in the Boston top ten bust. Customers also got busted BTW. As you may recall there were ties down here too. BEG! He said, She said, is really NOT important. If you're an agency and reading this, once confirmed, please delete your customer's pii. Don't be those three stooges! If you're a customer, please ask the agency to delete your information. Of course, everything I expressed is pure fiction, opinion, and / or just made up. Your honor.

If you think agencies actually delete the pii info you're naive. They don't. They might tell you they did but they won't.

They keep it so that they have something in case the client is a dangerous guy.

Or, in this case of this po who shouldn't po anymore, they weaponize it for absolutely nothing.

[RocketManP]

Apologize for being berated?

Apologize for them threatening yo ruin your life?

Oh OK sure. And if a monger threatens a girl with violence then the po should apologize and deescalate too.

We should have exact same standards here.

The issue is the po has a big ego and leverages pii when he / she hears something they don't like.

The solution is. Get rid of the po. If they don't have discipline to not threaten doxxing, they should be bagging groceries.

I am damn sure never apologizing or bootlicking someone who abuses position of power, when I dsi nothing wrong.

Making decisions with their little head instead of their big head.

You gifted her the ammunition. Homie didn't think of self preservation and did an ego check. And analyzing his faults is a good thing on this information forum so future mongers can be made aware of the risks and how to handle / not handle similar situations.

Deescalate. Apologize. Confirm safety. Then spread your experience to the whole world. Maybe it's different in California and they have the customer is always right type shit? T_T.

Side note: Does Elin from AG look familiar? I feel like I saw her pic from a Cali store a month ago.

[Noworth]

I understand what you're saying, and I think that some people are contrarian or oddly empathize with ATM as they may run a business? Like some of the arguments going on in the other thread, I don't agree with the angle of "you made a private conversation public". That's really odd considering the purpose of this site.

I think where OP went wrong is announcing to ATM that they are going to post about it. That does nothing but antagonize and escalate the whole thing since it's like a form of blackmail. What do you think is going to happen by telling them you're going to post it? They're going to say sorry and change? No, they also effed up and retaliated with their form of blackmail.

If I had to point fingers as to who is in the wrong more, it would be ATM due to the gravity of the information they threatened and they have way more to lose in the form of trust / reputation. But again, while I don't think it's wrong to have shared this, it's a terrible move to point it out to the booker that you're going to critique them directly. It's way different than complaining to them about a girl.

It's funny to me that much of the discussion, very argumentative by some, around the post is focused on something everyone has expressed agreement with: the threat of disclosing PII was wrong.

Even if people agreed on which side was responsible for the blow up or started the threats what do that do for insights for how to avoid such events in the future? For Jay it seems there were initially two general problems: 1) a messed up schedule where the two sides thought the day was different and 2) dissatisfaction with the things the booker said when he wasn't available to quickly respond the the booker's texts looking for the appointment confirmation.

Not enough info about the first issue, but probably things like echoing back what the other says and repeating details to be sure both are on the same page helps in general. Having the phone handy around when you're expected to be available to respond seems like it would have prevented the second issue. And as you note, there was never any good reason to tell the book about making a public statement about their interaction. Had that never been said no threats about PII would have been made.

Seems like too often people want to focus on blaming and punishing rather that improving and solving problems.

[Azf06]

Making decisions with their little head instead of their big head.

Exactly why you shouldn't hand over your pii to these agencies. They don't erase it as promised and your pii will end up in a LEO agency you don't want service from.

You gifted her the ammunition. Homie didn't think of self preservation and did an ego check. And analyzing his faults is a good thing on this information forum so future mongers can be made aware of the risks and how to handle / not handle similar situations.

Deescalate. Apologize. Confirm safety. Then spread your experience to the whole world. Maybe it's different in California and they have the customer is always right type shit? T_T.

Side note: Does Elin from AG look familiar? I feel like I saw her pic from a Cali store a month ago.

I don't agree about announcing being a threat, but for arguments sake let's say it is.

So the receptionist berated me, I say okay I will write a bad review and then receptionist takes out a shank or a gun and says okay I will ruin your life.

[RocketManP]

Again, the conflict happened. And the Booker threatened to out his pii info. For many mongers, outing pii info means a ruined life. A ruined career and / or family.

If the Booker resorts to that in a verbal conflict, this is a big problem. How many more times would the boomer resort to that threat?

I don't agree about announcing being a threat, but for arguments sake let's say it is.

So the receptionist berated me, I say okay I will write a bad review and then receptionist takes out a shank or a gun and says okay I will ruin your life.

? How is this acceptable? The pii info supposed to be sacred and only exposed in case of a guy being dangerous. This is just power abuse. You don't want truth to be exposed publicly? Well how about treat monger with respect. If you didn't berate him he would have nothing to say! So you threaten to ruin his life over him publicly stating truth?

People are too caught up in analyzing how to avoid conflict or what the guy has done wrong, to justify what the Booker has done wrong.

I know for sure, that if roles were reversed and the monger would threaten to ruin a girls life, or threatened violence, he'd be blacklisted immediately. No one would care what the Booker did wrong or how the conflict arose. And they'd be right.

So how come the threat of ruined monger life is being taken so lightly? Just because they sell pussy ther life is worth more?

I understand what you're saying, and I think that some people are contrarian or oddly empathize with ATM as they may run a business? Like some of the arguments going on in the other thread, I don't agree with the angle of "you made a private converslllllation public". That's really odd considering the purpose of this site.

I think where OP went wrong is announcing to ATM that they are going to post about it. That does nothing but antagonize and escalate the whole thing since it's like a form of blackmail. What do you think is going to happen by telling them you're going to post it? They're going to say sorry and change? No, they also effed up and retaliated with their form of blackmail.

If I had to point fingers as to who is in the wrong more, it would be ATM due to the gravity of the information they threatened and they have way more to lose in the form of trust / reputation. But again, while I don't think it's wrong to have shared this, it's a terrible move to point it out to the booker that you're going to critique them directly. It's way different than complaining to them about a girl.

[Azf06]

Did I say that? LOL.

I'm assuming we are all adults making big boy decisions. And at the end of the day, you can do whatever you want to do. But what is the point of announcing it?

If a receptionist is berating me because I'm retarded, I go: "Sorry, this ain't going to work out. " And I'll take my leave, spend my money elsewhere, and post my rant on Google, Facebook, Yelp, and Corporate Office.

What are your expectations if you are threatening to make the conversation public? Change of heart / attitude? Discounts? Freebies? Nonsense. Have some self respect.

If I go to a business and the receptionist berates me, do I not have the right to go on yelp and write about it?

Pretty sure that's a basic customer right. And while this biz is illegal, that does not give booker license to be an asshole to customers.

Move on as in shut up and not tell anyone? Isn't this what forums like these are for? To publicly tell others about biz?

Why wouldn't you want as many customers as possible to know about the mistreatment?

[Konichi1]

If I go to a business and the receptionist berates me, do I not have the right to go on yelp and write about it?

Pretty sure that's a basic customer right. And while this biz is illegal, that does not give booker license to be an asshole to customers.

Move on as in shut up and not tell anyone? Isn't this what forums like these are for? To publicly tell others about biz?

Why wouldn't you want as many customers as possible to know about the mistreatment?

I understand what you're saying, and I think that some people are contrarian or oddly empathize with ATM as they may run a business? Like some of the arguments going on in the other thread, I don't agree with the angle of "you made a private conversation public". That's really odd considering the purpose of this site.

I think where OP went wrong is announcing to ATM that they are going to post about it. That does nothing but antagonize and escalate the whole thing since it's like a form of blackmail. What do you think is going to happen by telling them you're going to post it? They're going to say sorry and change? No, they also effed up and retaliated with their form of blackmail.

If I had to point fingers as to who is in the wrong more, it would be ATM due to the gravity of the information they threatened and they have way more to lose in the form of trust / reputation. But again, while I don't think it's wrong to have shared this, it's a terrible move to point it out to the booker that you're going to critique them directly. It's way different than complaining to them about a girl.

[RocketManP]

If I go to a business and the receptionist berates me, do I not have the right to go on yelp and write about it?

Pretty sure that's a basic customer right. And while this biz is illegal, that does not give booker license to be an asshole to customers.

Move on as in shut up and not tell anyone? Isn't this what forums like these are for? To publicly tell others about biz?

Why wouldn't you want as many customers as possible to know about the mistreatment?

Only a couple people seem to have noticed, but it was OP who broke the trust first and threatened to post the whole conversation public. And it was after that, that the agency supposedly made a threat. It wasn't over the minor scheduling issue. Agency was supposedly berating him over that but no threats.

Both parties are wrong. OP should have just blocked and moved on if he thought he was mistreated. Agency should have blocked and moved on once OP made his threat.

Some of why'all are wild af tho. LOL.

[PapiKulo]

Lmao. I guess that's one way to interpret it tho.


Ill PM you the real story because she actively checks the board and Im not going to out myself as they have told me they are already seeking legal litigation on the culprit

How the fuck will any of this hold up in court? How can she prove that said monger was taking about her and how can she proves who he is per his alias name and real name? Is there something here I'm missing?

[ReservedBy]

Lmao. I guess that's one way to interpret it tho.

Me too? I'm very curious, read the whole story but was very lost in translation.

[TheOuroboros]

To say you banged a dude with tits?

Lmao. I guess that's one way to interpret it tho.


I’ll PM you the real story because she actively checks the board and I’m not going to out myself as they have told me they are already seeking legal litigation on the culprit

[Grafenberg]

Posting this in stupid shit since it's not relevant in the grand scheme of things. Just mostly venting. But for those willing to lend an ear to this fool. My story will be a retelling of fiction in order to hide the identities of those involved and avoid an unnecessary witch hunt. But a couple of weeks ago there was a post on here of a guy who talked about his experience with a peach vendor. Anyway long story short he ordered a bakers dozen and was shorted a few peaches and made it known on this board.

Intrigued in this peach vendor who I've always only known to sell legitimate tomatoes. I made my way to the vendor and after they gave me my serving of the red fruit that taste like a vegetable. I inquired if I could instead purchase some peaches. The vendor got very upset with me and told me that they don't sell peaches they only offer tomatoes and that I was among a group of unfortunate consumers sent on a misguided tour for the wrong kind of fruits and that this vendor was the subject of a smear campaign made to tarnish their reputation as a tomato vendor. They told me the customer was irate about the quality of their tomatoes and would instead find a way to tarnish the business.

Whatever drama it is aside, it's not my business and I could ultimately careless about any arguments people have about fruit, nutrition, and the like. But it does become my business when I'm given faulty info and waste my money on tomatoes when I simply wanted to buy peaches. I get in the heat of the moment, in a fit of some misguided anger, and a feeling to get some quick retaliation when you feel slighted. I'm not perfect, I'm guilty of the same and I've shared stories of those sins and paid my dues. But I, and I'm sure a few others here at the least have also now been scammed out of peaches and instead had to purchase tomatoes. The value of honest and accurate reviews help us save us time and money, and in instances like these can also avoid making us into fools.

Anyway as I said. I'll get over it. Sincerely, a simple consumer of peaches.

To say you banged a dude with tits?

[TheOuroboros]

Posting this in stupid shit since it's not relevant in the grand scheme of things. Just mostly venting. But for those willing to lend an ear to this fool. My story will be a retelling of fiction in order to hide the identities of those involved and avoid an unnecessary witch hunt. But a couple of weeks ago there was a post on here of a guy who talked about his experience with a peach vendor. Anyway long story short he ordered a bakers dozen and was shorted a few peaches and made it known on this board.

Intrigued in this peach vendor who I've always only known to sell legitimate tomatoes. I made my way to the vendor and after they gave me my serving of the red fruit that taste like a vegetable. I inquired if I could instead purchase some peaches. The vendor got very upset with me and told me that they don't sell peaches they only offer tomatoes and that I was among a group of unfortunate consumers sent on a misguided tour for the wrong kind of fruits and that this vendor was the subject of a smear campaign made to tarnish their reputation as a tomato vendor. They told me the customer was irate about the quality of their tomatoes and would instead find a way to tarnish the business.

Whatever drama it is aside, it's not my business and I could ultimately careless about any arguments people have about fruit, nutrition, and the like. But it does become my business when I'm given faulty info and waste my money on tomatoes when I simply wanted to buy peaches. I get in the heat of the moment, in a fit of some misguided anger, and a feeling to get some quick retaliation when you feel slighted. I'm not perfect, I'm guilty of the same and I've shared stories of those sins and paid my dues. But I, and I'm sure a few others here at the least have also now been scammed out of peaches and instead had to purchase tomatoes. The value of honest and accurate reviews help us save us time and money, and in instances like these can also avoid making us into fools.

Anyway as I said. I'll get over it. Sincerely, a simple consumer of peaches.

[Golden59]

This right here. Now I am going to avoid bringing up politics in one way or another but I can tell you from just my tenure as a monger. 4 Years ago there was only one well known LMP (FHOH) and some very few UTR places scattered around VA / MD. LCS were pretty ubiquitous but not to the extent in has been. Now I'd argue the number of LCS have at least quadrupled as did the number of LMPs (FHOH, Haydee, Latin Paradise, Oasis, Empire, DMVlatinasc, etc), with the available ladies at each spa more than doubling compared to 4 years ago.

Whether that will change under the new administration remains to be seen.

But to give credit where it's due. Just in MP section alone they're probably close to 50 girls working between these joints and not a peep or a holler EXCEPT Golden59 here who has provided the most recent intel. Credit where credit is due, he's right about the players here keeping the intel to themselves..

Thank you, I appreciate the acknowledgment, I'm going to leave it alone and get back to providing intel when I have it.

[TomPayne25]

This right here. Now I am going to avoid bringing up politics in one way or another but I can tell you from just my tenure as a monger. 4 Years ago there was only one well known LMP (FHOH) and some very few UTR places scattered around VA / MD. LCS were pretty ubiquitous but not to the extent in has been. Now I'd argue the number of LCS have at least quadrupled as did the number of LMPs (FHOH, Haydee, Latin Paradise, Oasis, Empire, DMVlatinasc, etc), with the available ladies at each spa more than doubling compared to 4 years ago.

Whether that will change under the new administration remains to be seen.

But to give credit where it's due. Just in MP section alone they're probably close to 50 girls working between these joints and not a peep or a holler EXCEPT Golden59 here who has provided the most recent intel. Credit where credit is due, he's right about the players here keeping the intel to themselves.

I hope we can dial down the temperature here, and maybe when we stop wasting digital memory on attacking each other and start reviewing these ladies I'll be happy to share my own stories too.

As a former Senior Member who stepped away and deleted that account for personal OpSec reasons, I'm posting to support Ouroboros' remarks.

I enjoyed the hobby back then, largely due to other members posting good and bad reviews and contact information. In turn, I shared mine so others might enjoy or avoid depending on their tastes.

We need to set personal opinions (and differences) aside and remember that we all come here to read and find some fun at the best price.

Moods change and coincidentally, I've developed a taste for Latinas. I shared my bad experience with and LCS lady but back hoping to find a good one. The only way to do this is by everyone contributing to the forum. (I've also noticed fewer posts have supporting links for others to find person without many follow up questions.).

BTW, the "Oasis" with Latinas, is this the one in Dumfries / Woodbridge?

There are exceptions to this sharing "rule," and that's if you have an ATF and you or she wants to be kept UTR. In those cases, keep the experience to yourself or expect a ton of PMs asking for contact information. For example, you'll never know I have a favorite at XXXXX who gives great * and damage is?? Because I'll keep that gem to myself. (Don't PM me asking. That was hypothetical.).

Let's have fun, share information and be safe. With all the BS going on in the world, let's keep this an enjoyable hobby, or at least until warm enough to go fishing.