Massage Parlor Reports

[Justice2001]

Oh, I see that Yili Spa in Fremont has now become "The Canal Day Spa", and from their listing on Google Maps and their new website looks like a totally legit place. So I probably will just avoid that until it changes ownership again, or I hear it's not as legit as their website makes it look. Yili was my goto place during the height of the pandemic, when many places were closed, but Yili was still open.

I went for their supposedly grand opening but it was still closed. They texted they will open in a couple months.

[Gibs789]

I definitely have my share of bad ones but I think I have said this before I don't tend to share until I give the shop a chance to make up for it. Bad reviews really have a disproportionate effect, and I want things to get better not run these places out of business. Now I have way fewer bad experiences these days because I am mostly going to places I trust, I try hard to cultivate management so they know what I am after.

Calling these girls "trafficked" is a ridiculous stretch, I'm well aware they are here primarily for money (and I am coming to bust a nut), but I know for a fact some of them enjoy me and I like them back, in or out of the MP. I try hard to be a relatively pleasant experience for them in an otherwise not so fun day. These guys that get off treating them as meat have hangups that are just too boring for me to contemplate.

Well said. To a large extent we make our own luck. This is how to generate good spa karma.

[KrDoggy]

I definitely have my share of bad ones but I think I have said this before I don't tend to share until I give the shop a chance to make up for it. Bad reviews really have a disproportionate effect, and I want things to get better not run these places out of business. Now I have way fewer bad experiences these days because I am mostly going to places I trust, I try hard to cultivate management so they know what I am after.

Calling these girls "trafficked" is a ridiculous stretch, I'm well aware they are here primarily for money (and I am coming to bust a nut), but I know for a fact some of them enjoy me and I like them back, in or out of the MP. I try hard to be a relatively pleasant experience for them in an otherwise not so fun day. These guys that get off treating them as meat have hangups that are just too boring for me to contemplate.

Yes. I think I was trying to point out precisely what you illustrate so clearly, that their participation is consensual rather than forced. As such it really is two people voluntarily transacting, and you can choose to do this in a way that involves your shared humanity or not. I think it is a significant oversimplification to say the girls "just want the money". Of course that's their primary motivation. But they also want to be treated with at least some measure of dignity and kindness. Some people on these boards complain all the time about getting bad service. Others, like krdoggy, are consistently touting the excellent service they receive. I'm sure even he has the occasional bad visit, but in large measure at the better shops you get what you give. The best girls know they're in a service profession and that good service means repeat customers and good reviews. They're not all the same. Some do have bad attitudes. Some probably hate men. But most in my experience are actually trying to do a good job at their chosen line of work, and if you're kind and clean things are usually going to go well.

[Gibs789]

Sure, it's possible, but the vast majority of girls I've gotten to know in these shops are unequivocally not tra**icked. She owns her own car and personal phone, has a tax I'd number and a student visa, goes to school, comes and goes on her own as she pleases, has a key to the shop for open and close. It's like saying a stripper is tra**icked because she pays a "stage fee", and only works because she needs to support her kid.

Yes. I think I was trying to point out precisely what you illustrate so clearly, that their participation is consensual rather than forced. As such it really is two people voluntarily transacting, and you can choose to do this in a way that involves your shared humanity or not. I think it is a significant oversimplification to say the girls "just want the money". Of course that's their primary motivation. But they also want to be treated with at least some measure of dignity and kindness. Some people on these boards complain all the time about getting bad service. Others, like krdoggy, are consistently touting the excellent service they receive. I'm sure even he has the occasional bad visit, but in large measure at the better shops you get what you give. The best girls know they're in a service profession and that good service means repeat customers and good reviews. They're not all the same. Some do have bad attitudes. Some probably hate men. But most in my experience are actually trying to do a good job at their chosen line of work, and if you're kind and clean things are usually going to go well.

[Kinkaid69]

Sure, it's possible, but the vast majority of girls I've gotten to know in these shops are unequivocally not tra**icked. She owns her own car and personal phone, has a tax I'd number and a student visa, goes to school, comes and goes on her own as she pleases, has a key to the shop for open and close. It's like saying a stripper is tra**icked because she pays a "stage fee", and only works because she needs to support her kid.

Under the strict technical legal definitions of "trafficking" any of those girls traveling around to different shops, even as an independent contractor, is technically being "trafficked".

I've gotten enough personal cell numbers of girls from shops over the years that I'm doubtful that very many girls working at MPs are "trafficked" in the sense of being held against their will and forced to fuck.

[Marko Ramius]

Under the strict technical legal definitions of "trafficking" any of those girls traveling around to different shops, even as an independent contractor, is technically being "trafficked".

I've gotten enough personal cell numbers of girls from shops over the years that I'm doubtful that very many girls working at MPs are "trafficked" in the sense of being held against their will and forced to fuck.

[Gibs789]

Using 80's lingo.

I love how people want to treat trafficked women as human beings. How generous.

These women do not care one bit. They just want to money.

There may be shops employing trafficked girls, but the girls in the shops I visit are not trafficked but work voluntarily as independent contractors. They come voluntarily and knowingly to the US for the purpose of engaging in this work, choose their places of operation, come and go as they please, and choose when to return to their home countries.

[Barnie]

Using 80's lingo.

I love how people want to treat trafficked women as human beings. How generous.

These women do not care one bit. They just want to money.

[DynaMagick]

I will be visiting Seattle and staying near Pike Place Market. Are there any good spots nearby?

[Gibs789]

I don't know Joey well yet, but I have several girls I deeply like as people. The little infatuations come and go, I'll always amazed when a massage girl shows typical jealousy and possessiveness. How does that compute? But emotions aside, some are just people I enjoy. Often for me nowadays they are MMS's, not an easy job either. I don't give a flying fuck if some think I am a simp, I do what I enjoy.

We are here for sex, but sex is better with human beings. Our robot overlords may decide differently in the future, but I like the present.

Well put. It's definitely not anyone's job to pretend that each encounter makes you special friends, but it is definitely possible always to interact as a persons on a personal level, as one human being to another, with all the basic rights and responsibilities that should entail. And that goes both ways. When I meet a girl who just looks through / past / beyond me like I'm a thing, I just get dressed and leave. I'm never going to own an ai doll and I don't want a plastic provider. Similarly, I always try to focus on the person I'm with, see what they find pleasurable, go with it a bit, try to communicate what I want, and see what we can do to give both of us a good time. It's the mutuality and momentary connection that really makes for the best visits. And as a prelude I always show up with clean hair and body, teeth brushed, mouth washed, closely shaved (for those without beards etc), and in general as little repulsive as I can be at my stage of life. Then afterwards the need for respect continues. They've sold you an hour of time, and that's what you've received. You haven't purchased rights in perpetuity. If they indicate they're open to more communication, go with it. If not, respect their boundaries. You've bought a little of their time, not all of it, and not them. Buy another hour if you want some more. Once in a while if you're lucky, magic may happen, and something clicks on both sides. But it's rare and not something you can force, and in most cases probably not something to pursue. Mixing pleasure and business and all that. But it's generally an amazing privilege to be able to spend time with these beautiful ladies, and a little kindness and consideration is the lubricant that makes the big wheel turn.

[Strong1954]

I don't know Joey well yet, but I have several girls I deeply like as people. The little infatuations come and go, I'll always amazed when a massage girl shows typical jealousy and possessiveness. How does that compute? But emotions aside, some are just people I enjoy. Often for me nowadays they are MMS's, not an easy job either. I don't give a flying fuck if some think I am a simp, I do what I enjoy.

We are here for sex, but sex is better with human beings. Our robot overlords may decide differently in the future, but I like the present.

I agree with Gibs regarding Joey.

[CSnow]

Is Emma still there doing BBFS?

I never met Emma but I don't believe she's still there.

[KrDoggy]

I don't know Joey well yet, but I have several girls I deeply like as people. The little infatuations come and go, I'll always amazed when a massage girl shows typical jealousy and possessiveness. How does that compute? But emotions aside, some are just people I enjoy. Often for me nowadays they are MMS's, not an easy job either. I don't give a flying fuck if some think I am a simp, I do what I enjoy.

We are here for sex, but sex is better with human beings. Our robot overlords may decide differently in the future, but I like the present.

Joey is actually a pretty cool and inspiring person if you ever get her in the mood to talk. A total professional with a really solid head on her shoulders and big heart underneath. Let me just save the haters time by making the "simp" calls myself, but some of these girls are very admirable people in a lot of ways, and they aren't always here to support drug habits or a lust for fashion goods or travel, but often extended families back home with medical needs, etc. Hats off to them, I say (except when it's time to put the hats on, so to speak).

[Gibs789]

LOL the lasso an excellent idea. I'm glad I listened to folks here and went back for Joey.

Joey is actually a pretty cool and inspiring person if you ever get her in the mood to talk. A total professional with a really solid head on her shoulders and big heart underneath. Let me just save the haters time by making the "simp" calls myself, but some of these girls are very admirable people in a lot of ways, and they aren't always here to support drug habits or a lust for fashion goods or travel, but often extended families back home with medical needs, etc. Hats off to them, I say (except when it's time to put the hats on, so to speak).

[Nwscout]

LOL the lasso an excellent idea. I'm glad I listened to folks here and went back for Joey.

That's the power of the hive mind!