"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[AtlPrince]

I started a sugar daddy network couple of years ago with referral system by forming a daddy group. But many daddies in the group screwed up by paying more and more as SetoMan mentioned.

Its a very simple concept, if every daddy stays firm on $200 for a girl / woman or single mom up to 35 yo with 7 rating and younger hotter chicks with $300, it will absolutely work.

Daddies should be in control of the prices as daddies are the one that is paying.

Fellas, This right here IS THE PROBLEM.

This is why GPS HAPPENS!

You have a girl who is new and like most girls who are their prices are low.

What do most guys do, they EGO and try to "save / impress her" and give her more than what she's fine with.

What ends up happening is: She wants 250, you give her 100 more. Now she's thinking wait a minute for my next arrangement I can actually get 350.

So the next guy is now paying Troy's Tax that he imposed. That next guy then goes you did such a good job, here's 100 more.

Now she's thinking, wow I can get 450. Now the guys after that are paying the next guy's TAX.

Before you know it, in 3-6 months she is now asking for 600,800, 1000!

What you guys don't understand is, WE ARE THE STOCK MARKET.

We determine THE PRICES. We determine weather it goes up or down..

[SetoMan]

You've got better odds of getting attacked by a shark in Nebraska than finding several hot 20 somethings that will play along with the Shades of Gray scenario you describe (quite well I might add). And refusing to let someone leave (with or without money) is a great way to catch a charge. If you treat them nice, they'll come back for more and they will do pretty much anything if you gently guide them to the destination you want, but it needs to be exciting for them, not like they're being forced. Are there girls that will do what you described? Yes .1 out of 2000 maybe. Are there girls that would play along with that charade after several visits? Absolutely, any random one. Minus the STG or Listcrawler pro you will find occasionally.

Where in my post do you see "refusing to let someone leave". Think about it, you read that and concluded that telling a girl you either do what we agreed on and what I want or you can leave = Kidnapping, you are not allowing her to leave because you are not giving her free cash for just existing.

I swear feminism has won.

The fact people essentially plead and ploud with someone they are paying hundreds of their hard earned money to and resting on the hope that they will do what you ask is mind boggling.

Why should you cater to someone that you are paying, that makes zero sense.

For example this happened to me, I had a girl, Latina, perfect. A 10 on face and 9 on body. 19. We already agreed previously on X amount of hours.

Most guys would chuck this up as her being a pro. But no she was not a Pro or Escort. You can tell she wasn't cut out for this or like it even in the slightest as she had the disgust look on her face.

The entire time, even though I can tell she enjoyed the sex by how hard she was creaming.

This is the result of guys conditioning girl to be able to leave after the first round and still get the money. You can leave but no money period. No exceptions. The fact you are implying threat or force is feminism.

So instead of admitting the monster situation we created we chuck it up as "she's just a pro". No she's the result of our actions, we trained her to do that.

Maybe you will never understand until you experience it from the POV of a hot 18 year old girl first hand. If you ever have the opportunity to date a girl from the site or you let a girl stay at your place for days (which has happened to me multiple times). You will see guys meet up with girls, stay 20 minutes tops, burst and leave. Or she goes to the guys house, and he can't get hard because all he does is watch porn. Then he holds his dick for 30-45 minutes crying about his sad life and the girl is texting me the entire time telling me she wants to leave and does. In between that is the very very small sample of guys who actually spend 1-2 hours with the girls.

This behavior is rampant.

But when a guy comes and says he won't give them anything if they leave before the agreed time, its "kidnapping". No wonder girls are asking for 1 k. I had a girl ask for 3 k the other day. Its unbelievable. Guys will throw money at girls for doing literally nothing. So from their POV why not ask for 1 k.

Anyway, Back to the Latina, I told her if she leaves I'm not giving her anything because we agreed on X hours and its only been 10-15 minutes. So she left, thinking I would simp out and offer her something. She text me back, 20 minutes later saying she wants to do it for the full agreed X hours. Then I told her it would be clocked with a timer. She agreed, came back and I fucked her brains out for X hours straight.

Later that day I texted her and setup another date 3 days later and she agreed. Now I'm fucking her brains out for X hours straight without complaint from her, while she's walking out on other guys after the first round.

You don't have to let these girls walk all over you. Get an Alarm Clock Timer and start it in-front of them.

It will be the last day you get disappointed. The sooner everyone starts doing this, the more normalized it will be. Then everyone wins.

[Sgt Soros]

I sincerely apologize to the board for my pivotal role in the catastrophic downfall of Atlanta's economic sugar infrastructure.

And just to be clear: I'm the sole financier behind every one of those $1,000 platonic PPMs. Every. Single. One.

A true labor of love. And debt.

No apologies necessary, I'm happily meeting sugar women at $250-$300, which works perfectly for me.

[Airmantroy]

Personally I think this is the wrong approach. While I have done similar, I have even gotten into multi year relationship from the site and fuck buddies like you have. So I know it well. At the end of the day, what we want to do for the most part is fuck and fuck for a long period of time until we pass out.

Why should I have to wine and dine them and then pay them, with only a 5% chance that I get it for free.

While yeah there will be girls who get on the site and have daddy issues or are into older men fetish and will fuck you for the low or free. It is temporary and never last.

I have never meet up with a girl above 25 on that site. My approach which might not be for every one but it works and allows me to fuck till my legs give out.

Like sure you can get 200-250 after wining and dining but there's a coin flip that she gets up and wants to leave right after the first round (10-15 minutes). Then a roll of a dice you get below 200 or for free. Those odds are not great and are a waste of time and money when you don't luck out. I take a rather radical approach. I establish 300 early within the first 5 messages and also establish that they have to stay At least 3 hours. This removes the time wasting, guessing, coin flips, dice rolls, wine and dine and all the none-sense.

I put on music / Netflix and fuck her brains out for 3 hours straight.

-Training.

Unfortunately, it never works out as planned because these girls are stubborn and only care about raking you out of your money. Especially when you are the one bringing up ppm.

You've got better odds of getting attacked by a shark in Nebraska than finding several hot 20 somethings that will play along with the Shades of Gray scenario you describe (quite well I might add). And refusing to let someone leave (with or without money) is a great way to catch a charge. If you treat them nice, they'll come back for more and they will do pretty much anything if you gently guide them to the destination you want, but it needs to be exciting for them, not like they're being forced. Are there girls that will do what you described? Yes .1 out of 2000 maybe. Are there girls that would play along with that charade after several visits? Absolutely, any random one. Minus the STG or Listcrawler pro you will find occasionally.

[Wleakr]

Personally I think this is the wrong approach. While I have done similar, I have even gotten into multi year relationship from the site and fuck buddies like you have. So I know it well. At the end of the day, what we want to do for the most part is fuck and fuck for a long period of time until we pass out.

This arguement falls apart pretty quick because every guys goal isn't to "fuck until they pass out. ".

If this is your goal and your strategy works for you, more power to you!

Fucking for 3 hours every meet isn't fun for me. A chick getting me off in 15 to 60 minutes is more than enough, as far as fucking in and of itself is concerned. Honestly, if she can't get me off in that time and satisfy me in the process, she probably isn't what I need. I don't need her to tap dance for 3 hours just because I can make her do it.

Kinda reminds me of guys that pay chicks to dance in the stripclub while they play pool. Doing it for the ego or control aspect provides satisfaction for some.

For me, if the experience is unrushed, there is some level of girlfriend experience, she gets a good nut out of me and the cost is reasonable, I could care less about the time.

[Christian Troy]

I sincerely apologize to the board for my pivotal role in the catastrophic downfall of Atlanta's economic sugar infrastructure.

And just to be clear: I'm the sole financier behind every one of those $1,000 platonic PPMs. Every. Single. One.

A true labor of love. And debt.

Fellas, This right here IS THE PROBLEM.

This is why GPS HAPPENS!

You have a girl who is new and like most girls who are their prices are low.

What do most guys do, they EGO and try to "save / impress her" and give her more than what she's fine with.

What ends up happening is: She wants 250, you give her 100 more. Now she's thinking wait a minute for my next arrangement I can actually get 350.

So the next guy is now paying Troy's Tax that he imposed. That next guy then goes you did such a good job, here's 100 more.

Now she's thinking, wow I can get 450. Now the guys after that are paying the next guy's TAX.

Before you know it, in 3-6 months she is now asking for 600,800, 1000!

What you guys don't understand is, WE ARE THE STOCK MARKET.

We determine THE PRICES. We determine weather it goes up or down.

Guys come in here and whine yet THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE for this.

And this example is exactly how it happens.

I used to burst in fresh 18 year old white goddess perfect body for 150-200 back in 2019/2020 on the regular.

I mean from first message to deep in the guts in 1 hour.

Now you people have made it impossible.

If every single man decided NO MORE max offer 100. These girl would be forced to take that.

Remember these girls don't know the value of money. When they start out to them 100 is big.

It is US GUYS who give these girls GPS. We are the problem.

Also I moved to ATL last year and its way worse than other states.

But I found a young hot & slim 8. 5 with a perfect ass. Ass is too perfect, chef kiss.

We agreed on 300 for 3-4 hours. My schedule was busy so I couldn't partake in the game for acouple months.

Now I work from home and my schedule cleared. I hit her up again and now she laughed at 300.

I screenshot her showing she agreed months ago and then she said she only starts at 600.

So in 3 months after joining the site, you Guys priced her up to 600.

I bet you if I check back in 3 more months she will be asking for 1000.

Un-fucking believable.

[SetoMan]

I made a long post a year or 2 back where I analyzed cost vs fun over a month. I generally only get a sub for a month and can usually find someone to meet me needs in a few days to a week, but I decided that month to see just how much action I could get. I'll link the original post at the bottom but the tl;dr is: more expensive girls were generally worse experiences than cheaper ones. I always regretted paying more, and never regretted paying less.

Ultimately what you pay is based on how you act. If you treat seeking like it's a paid escort ad service, and only send a few texts back and forth before saying "how much?" you're only going to hear from the semi-pros and almost escorts. And those prices will be in 500+ range since that's how much they charge on escort sites or when they used to work at an agency etc. If you want good looking mid 20's girls for a reasonable sub-300 PPM, then you HAVE to treat this site like a dating site and those girls like potential GFs. Not escorts, but honest to god gfs. You may be thinking "well hell the reason I pay them is to avoid needing to do that" and that's a fair opinion, and I'd encourage anyone who thinks so to stick with escorts. If you want minimum effort and a guaranteed return then find an escort in your budget and enjoy.

I'm an early 40's guy who is the farthest thing from attractive. When I talk to these girls, I actually talk to them. I read their profiles, talk about their interests, ask about them and so on. I almost never bring up $ until we've talked back and forth for awhile. Remember, most of the guys who message her are frankly, assholes. If you're not, you're already a few steps ahead. That 500 PPM price? That's the asshole price. She'll still fuck him, but she doesn't really WANT to fuck him, so the PPM is correspondingly high. If SBs are shooting you down, you're likely not spending enough time getting to know them and making them feel comfortable. I've been balls deep in gorgeous 20 somethings for NOTHING but the cost of dinner. I had a 21 year old pretty thing that I took out for drinks, dinner, and I bought her a $50 necklace she liked off some street cart, and she fucked my brains out for the next 3 weeks or so for nothing more than dinner and a hotel room. Those aren't common, but it's not impossible.

Personally I think this is the wrong approach. While I have done similar, I have even gotten into multi year relationship from the site and fuck buddies like you have. So I know it well. At the end of the day, what we want to do for the most part is fuck and fuck for a long period of time until we pass out.

Why should I have to wine and dine them and then pay them, with only a 5% chance that I get it for free.

While yeah there will be girls who get on the site and have daddy issues or are into older men fetish and will fuck you for the low or free. It is temporary and never last.

I have never meet up with a girl above 25 on that site. My approach which might not be for every one but it works and allows me to fuck till my legs give out.

Like sure you can get 200-250 after wining and dining but there's a coin flip that she gets up and wants to leave right after the first round (10-15 minutes). Then a roll of a dice you get below 200 or for free. Those odds are not great and are a waste of time and money when you don't luck out. I take a rather radical approach. I establish 300 early within the first 5 messages and also establish that they have to stay At least 3 hours. This removes the time wasting, guessing, coin flips, dice rolls, wine and dine and all the none-sense.

I put on music / Netflix and fuck her brains out for 3 hours straight.

-Training.

Unfortunately, it never works out as planned because these girls are stubborn and only care about raking you out of your money. Especially when you are the one bringing up ppm.

I make sure its three hours because when she gets here, I set my BIG alarm clock which I specifically bought just for this.

I set it to 3 hours and make it visible. Now she knows she can't leave and get the money till that clock runs out.

Remember you are the one with the money. You have all the cards. You make all the rules not her.

The problem is, we allow the girls to make the rules yet its our hard earned money.

Once she's already there, she wants to stay. Now she will try you, they always do, after the first pop they might ask about the money. Point to the clock and tell them you will give it after it hits 0 and not a second before. She might also try the, I'm tired lets take a break. Again its tempting to say cool lets take a break, but this is a mental battle as much as it is a financial one.

You have to make sure she 100% believes that she is on your time and that while she's there, she belongs to you and have to be on a good behavior and do what you say in order to get the money. So you have to reject every break (outside of bathroom break) that she initiates.

You have to reject every "I am sore", "I am tired".

Completely ignore it and bend her over and keep doing your thing.

If she insists / pushes, point back to the clock and say "There still. Remaining. Do you want to stop and end?

Girls can smell weakness, you have to show zero weakness on this. She has to know that you are standing on business and won't bulge even a little bit. Every break must be initiated by you and only you. So even if you were getting ready to take a break and she asks to take a break before you stopped and decided to. Then continue on.

This is very important on the first visit. You have to establish dominance, the minute you give in, you show your weakness. She won. If she's resistant and start making up stories of how her boss texted her to come to work early so she has to leave earl. Again point to the clock and say if you want to stop we can and then its over and then if she asks for money then say I can't we agreed on the clock there's still X left.

Eventually she will relent and give in completely then you will see a change in her countenance that's when you know you broke her will. Now you can do whatever you want to her and she won't complain not once.

Make sure you do two things, when you do take breaks, caress her, talk to her and be warm. Find out her interests, what she likes, etc. But then right before you want to go back for another round. Don't break frame and ask for permission or "lets go again". Instead ask her another question either about what you guys are watching or about her life. Then mid her sentence, turn her over and go back to pounding.

Again you are establishing dominance over her. (hot and cold, hot and cold). What you are doing is training her. Then at the end, again don't let her off the hook till that timer is about to hit zero and only then when it hit zero. (This is very Physiological). Then give her the money and high five her and tell her "you did good", "see that wasn't hard, I knew you could be daddy's little girl" with a huge smile and excitement.

Basically compliment and praise her. Again This is VERY important and physiological in nature. You are give her good reward dopamine. So she leaves feeling like she accomplished something.

Throw out a date 3 days in advance (you will be surprised that either she will suggest it or she will look forward to it). This is how you know you succeed. 3 days later setup a meet with her (important she has to see you as being consistent source of money).

2nd visit.

I promise you, you will have the most submissive girl you have ever seen.

You could leave, go to the kitchen and come back and she's still in position, waiting for you to stick it back in.

You're welcome.

But that's just level 1 I usually take it up a notch. Yes while pillow princess and lame fishes are boring.

If you do this right. They are better than girls who are DTF. Why? During the Second visit, I continue training by introducing handcuffs. I cuff them the entire time (important). I never take it off till the clock hits zero.

At this point, you already broke her will and she won't resist or show very little resistance. She knows till the clock hits zero you own her. And she knows no amount of BS excuse will get her the money unless she stays the full time.

You cuff her and pound her to your hearts desire. Don't give in to the urge of taking off the cuffs to use the bathroom or her phone. Remember she is on your time, you are NOT on her. Just because you broke her will doesn't mean she can't regain it if you completely break frame (you will never see level 4).

Third visit, you up it again by using a soft bondage rope tie (expensive, but important to make sure its comfortable). Watch videos to learn how to bound properly, only do her arms to her body and in a way that is comfortable. Aka the arms are not raised so there's consistent blood flow. You want her to feel comfortable at all times that way if she resists you know she's not doing it out of discomfort. Most girls at this point continue to submit because she knows you are good for the money and she has submitted to you as her master.

Fourth Visit and final level 4, you bound her again like last time, but this time you wait for her to say something you don't like or something you might disagree with. Then you gag ball her.

Now you have a young hot girl that's completely obedient to you and you can fuck for 3, 4 hours straight and you won't hear a peep from her. You don't have to hear her yap. Say anything. Now she knows her place. You can go make a sandwich and come back and she's there staring at the alarm clock timer, waiting for you to pound her again.

Now she knows her place and only comes and to get pounded for hours straight and not say a word.

Even if you are not a dominant guy, or are submissive. You can still pull this off. Because the point isn't to tie up girls, the point is being able to fuck to your hearts content without them giving you bs, "I have to work, I'm tired, I'm sore, etc. " Like I'm giving you hard earned money, why do I care that you are tired but still want to take my money.

At all the points of this, you have to know how to talk dirty and be a daddy. You are just being very dominant. It enhances the whole experience for her.

Do it right and You will have a girl go from not liking it to loving it and looking forward to it.

I only reached Level 4 once and she let me do whatever I wanted to her, then I had to move state (biggest regret).

Now I have a girl that I possibly can get to level 4 with by next week.

But even then after I reach it, its still a race against the clock.

Because sooner or later a number of guy out there will gps her from 300 to 600 in a matter of months.

[SetoMan]

She says she's pretty new to the sugar scene and I actually believe her. Didn't know what ppm stood for (she was fine with 250 but I ended up giving her 300 since she did every dirty thing I wanted). I usually like them a little younger and thinner and won't repeat because of that preference, but she was definitely a fun time.

Fellas, This right here IS THE PROBLEM.

This is why GPS HAPPENS!

You have a girl who is new and like most girls who are their prices are low.

What do most guys do, they EGO and try to "save / impress her" and give her more than what she's fine with.

What ends up happening is: She wants 250, you give her 100 more. Now she's thinking wait a minute for my next arrangement I can actually get 350.

So the next guy is now paying Troy's Tax that he imposed. That next guy then goes you did such a good job, here's 100 more.

Now she's thinking, wow I can get 450. Now the guys after that are paying the next guy's TAX.

Before you know it, in 3-6 months she is now asking for 600,800, 1000!

What you guys don't understand is, WE ARE THE STOCK MARKET.

We determine THE PRICES. We determine weather it goes up or down.

Guys come in here and whine yet THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE for this.

And this example is exactly how it happens.

I used to burst in fresh 18 year old white goddess perfect body for 150-200 back in 2019/2020 on the regular.

I mean from first message to deep in the guts in 1 hour.

Now you people have made it impossible.

If every single man decided NO MORE max offer 100. These girl would be forced to take that.

Remember these girls don't know the value of money. When they start out to them 100 is big.

It is US GUYS who give these girls GPS. We are the problem.

Also I moved to ATL last year and its way worse than other states.

But I found a young hot & slim 8. 5 with a perfect ass. Ass is too perfect, chef kiss.

We agreed on 300 for 3-4 hours. My schedule was busy so I couldn't partake in the game for acouple months.

Now I work from home and my schedule cleared. I hit her up again and now she laughed at 300.

I screenshot her showing she agreed months ago and then she said she only starts at 600.

So in 3 months after joining the site, you Guys priced her up to 600.

I bet you if I check back in 3 more months she will be asking for 1000.

Un-fucking believable.

[SugarLifeNow]

New SLN Girl Savannah 32.

https://sugarlifenow.com/profile/Savannah/

[PlaynAtl]

If you have experience with Slavic girls, you know they can drain your balls and wallet proportionately LOL. I was willing to take the risk but well.

If you think that is bad, try divorcing one!

[LouisHernandez]

You have to sift thru a lot of trash to get the real sugar baby types. Most of the girls on these sites are working girls or scammer content seller types. They are the ones who after a few messages start throwing around terms like "PPM" , "cashapp" etc. Also the working girls are often trafficked; you are often talking to a pimp or worse, someone trying to set you up to be robbed. Just use common sense. Also meet in a public place first. If anything is sketchy , move on to another POT.

The real SB types require a little finessing, but don't over do it b / c the conversation will die otherwise.

This is a huge numbers game. On avg maybe 1 out of 20 phones numbers I get turn into an actual meet and greet. Then you have to do some price negotiating in person. I won't go over $300 on principle for the reasons listed by the other posters.

Much like GFG97, I find that 300 is the sweet spot for reliable, 7-8 rating SB's in the Atl area, more money does not translate into a better time or more fun and often times it's actually stricter or more restrictive. Also, as he mentioned a girl may quote a decently in shape, somewhat handsome guy 300, while the guy who is 50+ lbs overweight might get quoted 400+. A. k. A. "fat tax". I've had a solid long term SB for the past 7. 5 years, she hasn't had a profile on there for at least 6 years maybe longer. She gets 200 every time she drains my balls, will do pretty much anything including greek we started out at 300 and she suggested we drop it and see each other more often. Her schedule has tightened up and it's harder to see her so I'm on the hunt for a full time replacement or 3. I've actually seen one SMOKING HOT Colombian girl 25 yrs old and absolutely the hottest girl I've seen, she would not negotiate below 600 for the first meet, but she started at 800. I told her if I do 600 once, it'll be 1 and done and no time limits. I'm seeing her again Monday morning at 400 after I daty'd her to 4 leg shaking O's she told me we could do less every time. Another solid 8. 5 blond 32 yr old had started at 500 and I've seen her 5 times now at 300. Saw her this morning and left a full load in her to take my kids on a trip to Ft Lauderdale for the weekend LOL. So treating them like a escort is NOT the way to "get a deal" but you do have to pay them some compliments and remember they like getting their nut too.

[Modukolo123]

I made a long post a year or 2 back where I analyzed cost vs fun over a month. I generally only get a sub for a month and can usually find someone to meet me needs in a few days to a week, but I decided that month to see just how much action I could get. I'll link the original post at the bottom but the tl;dr is: more expensive girls were generally worse experiences than cheaper ones. I always regretted paying more, and never regretted paying less.

Ultimately what you pay is based on how you act. If you treat seeking like it's a paid escort ad service, and only send a few texts back and forth before saying "how much?" you're only going to hear from the semi-pros and almost escorts. And those prices will be in 500+ range since that's how much they charge on escort sites or when they used to work at an agency etc. If you want good looking mid 20's girls for a reasonable sub-300 PPM, then you HAVE to treat this site like a dating site and those girls like potential GFs. Not escorts, but honest to god gfs. You may be thinking "well hell the reason I pay them is to avoid needing to do that" and that's a fair opinion, and I'd encourage anyone who thinks so to stick with escorts. If you want minimum effort and a guaranteed return then find an escort in your budget and enjoy.

This is very useful, thanks.

[Airmantroy]

Hey everyone,

I'm still relatively new to the sugar lifestyle, but I wanted to get a sense of how others here view the current PPM landscape, particularly when it comes to what different types of SBs typically expect or accept.

From my limited experience so far, I've noticed a pattern, primarily ATL: most women who are willing to settle for $300 PPM or less tend to fall into a few categories high-volume daters, single moms in their 30's and above, or younger women who may not be conventionally attractive or seem mainly focused on quick cash with little attention to the overall experience or connection.

On the flip side, the more stunning or "Instagram-model type" girls I've interacted with tend to scoff at anything under $450- $500 PPM, with many asking for significantly more, and some not even entertaining PPM at all, preferring allowances or arrangement-based support.

I understand everyone's experience can vary a lot depending on expectations and the dynamics of the relationship, so I'm curious:

What's your experience been like in terms of the typical PPM rates vs. The quality and type of SB you've encountered?

Do you find the same correlation, or is it different for you?

Some sub-reddits call SDs offering anything less than 500 JOHN.

Looking forward to hearing your insights.

Much like GFG97, I find that 300 is the sweet spot for reliable, 7-8 rating SB's in the Atl area, more money does not translate into a better time or more fun and often times it's actually stricter or more restrictive. Also, as he mentioned a girl may quote a decently in shape, somewhat handsome guy 300, while the guy who is 50+ lbs overweight might get quoted 400+. A. k. A. "fat tax". I've had a solid long term SB for the past 7. 5 years, she hasn't had a profile on there for at least 6 years maybe longer. She gets 200 every time she drains my balls, will do pretty much anything including greek we started out at 300 and she suggested we drop it and see each other more often. Her schedule has tightened up and it's harder to see her so I'm on the hunt for a full time replacement or 3. I've actually seen one SMOKING HOT Colombian girl 25 yrs old and absolutely the hottest girl I've seen, she would not negotiate below 600 for the first meet, but she started at 800. I told her if I do 600 once, it'll be 1 and done and no time limits. I'm seeing her again Monday morning at 400 after I daty'd her to 4 leg shaking O's she told me we could do less every time. Another solid 8. 5 blond 32 yr old had started at 500 and I've seen her 5 times now at 300. Saw her this morning and left a full load in her to take my kids on a trip to Ft Lauderdale for the weekend LOL. So treating them like a escort is NOT the way to "get a deal" but you do have to pay them some compliments and remember they like getting their nut too.

[GoneForGood97]

Hey everyone,

I'm still relatively new to the sugar lifestyle, but I wanted to get a sense of how others here view the current PPM landscape, particularly when it comes to what different types of SBs typically expect or accept.

From my limited experience so far, I've noticed a pattern, primarily ATL: most women who are willing to settle for $300 PPM or less tend to fall into a few categories high-volume daters, single moms in their 30's and above, or younger women who may not be conventionally attractive or seem mainly focused on quick cash with little attention to the overall experience or connection.

On the flip side, the more stunning or "Instagram-model type" girls I've interacted with tend to scoff at anything under $450- $500 PPM, with many asking for significantly more, and some not even entertaining PPM at all, preferring allowances or arrangement-based support.

I understand everyone's experience can vary a lot depending on expectations and the dynamics of the relationship, so I'm curious:

What's your experience been like in terms of the typical PPM rates vs. The quality and type of SB you've encountered?

Do you find the same correlation, or is it different for you?

Some sub-reddits call SDs offering anything less than 500 JOHN.

Looking forward to hearing your insights.

I made a long post a year or 2 back where I analyzed cost vs fun over a month. I generally only get a sub for a month and can usually find someone to meet me needs in a few days to a week, but I decided that month to see just how much action I could get. I'll link the original post at the bottom but the tl;dr is: more expensive girls were generally worse experiences than cheaper ones. I always regretted paying more, and never regretted paying less.

Ultimately what you pay is based on how you act. If you treat seeking like it's a paid escort ad service, and only send a few texts back and forth before saying "how much?" you're only going to hear from the semi-pros and almost escorts. And those prices will be in 500+ range since that's how much they charge on escort sites or when they used to work at an agency etc. If you want good looking mid 20's girls for a reasonable sub-300 PPM, then you HAVE to treat this site like a dating site and those girls like potential GFs. Not escorts, but honest to god gfs. You may be thinking "well hell the reason I pay them is to avoid needing to do that" and that's a fair opinion, and I'd encourage anyone who thinks so to stick with escorts. If you want minimum effort and a guaranteed return then find an escort in your budget and enjoy.

I'm an early 40's guy who is the farthest thing from attractive. When I talk to these girls, I actually talk to them. I read their profiles, talk about their interests, ask about them and so on. I almost never bring up $ until we've talked back and forth for awhile. Remember, most of the guys who message her are frankly, assholes. If you're not, you're already a few steps ahead. That 500 PPM price? That's the asshole price. She'll still fuck him, but she doesn't really WANT to fuck him, so the PPM is correspondingly high. If SBs are shooting you down, you're likely not spending enough time getting to know them and making them feel comfortable. I've been balls deep in gorgeous 20 somethings for NOTHING but the cost of dinner. I had a 21 year old pretty thing that I took out for drinks, dinner, and I bought her a $50 necklace she liked off some street cart, and she fucked my brains out for the next 3 weeks or so for nothing more than dinner and a hotel room. Those aren't common, but it's not impossible.

Now, wannabe Instamodels have an inflated sense of self, otherwise they wouldn't be "wannabes". I tend to avoid those girls, and once you've seen enough of them you start to be able to tell at a glance which girls are a waste of time. I did score an actual model last year for 300 PPM and she hosted, and she became my regular for damn near a year (and still would be if her work schedule hadn't fucked that up for me). I also had a former model and current grad student who was half Latina for the past several months until she went back home during the summer break, and she was 250 PPM plus hotel. Top 1-2 best sex I've ever had (and I've been with hundreds if we count escorts). These girls aren't the easiest to find, but they aren't that hard either. But you MUST be willing to negotiate, and walk away from any GPS. Every GPS you walk away from puts you 1 step closer to a hottie who isn't GPS.

The few times I have gone over 300? Almost always disappointing rush jobs, pillow princesses and dead fish.

Last but not least, don't listen to any of the girls on the subreddits. Remember, if a girl is posting on those sub reddits, she's almost always high volume / semi-pro / escort-with-more-steps. Which is fine, but that's not what I'm looking for in an SB. They may call sub 500 guys "Johns" or "splenda daddys", but you know what I call 350+ girls? Escorts.
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post6464044
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post6156874

My general sugaring tips:
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post6129833
A post with a links to several specific advice posts:
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post6451251

[Peter Pan]

Hey everyone,

I'm still relatively new to the sugar lifestyle, but I wanted to get a sense of how others here view the current PPM landscape, particularly when it comes to what different types of SBs typically expect or accept.

From my limited experience so far, I've noticed a pattern, primarily ATL: most women who are willing to settle for $300 PPM or less tend to fall into a few categories high-volume daters, single moms in their 30's and above, or younger women who may not be conventionally attractive or seem mainly focused on quick cash with little attention to the overall experience or connection.

On the flip side, the more stunning or "Instagram-model type" girls I've interacted with tend to scoff at anything under $450- $500 PPM, with many asking for significantly more, and some not even entertaining PPM at all, preferring allowances or arrangement-based support.

I understand everyone's experience can vary a lot depending on expectations and the dynamics of the relationship, so I'm curious:

What's your experience been like in terms of the typical PPM rates vs. The quality and type of SB you've encountered?

Do you find the same correlation, or is it different for you?

Some sub-reddits call SDs offering anything less than 500 JOHN.

Looking forward to hearing your insights.

So I posted before and there are some who will jump and say no you can get SBs for less, you need to have a game.

Etc. There is some truth that and it's few and far in between. But what you wrote above in generally accurate and has been my experience as well.

But again 10 years ago it was a diff story, you are drilling into a hot college while girl for 300.

Or 350 easily. I have done that too, but what you described above is the current state of affairs generally speaking, there are always exceptions.