OPSEC. Operattional Security

**JmSuttr** · 10-12-25 23:53

Just throwing it out there that there are many more AMPs in the DMV that there are LE resources to police. If you think of all the incidents reported in the media over the past few years, it's still just a drop in the bucket when compared to the total number of massage shops. Which means that it's a crapshoot, with low odds, that any specific monger will be visiting any specific AMP on the specific day (and time) when LE raids the place. Notice that I said LE, not Health Dept, because only LE is worth worrying about from the client side of things. AMP owners may need to worry about Health Dept issues, but not mongers.

That being said, low odds isn't the same as zero, so there are still reasonable and prudent steps that can be taken. For example, if the Mamasan or masseuse ushers me to the room closest to the entrance, I politely ask for a room further to the rear. I've been in an AMP during an LE visit and even an extra few seconds helps when you want to throw a towel over yourself. And the towel should always be close at hand, no matter what stage of massage or extras you're in. Also, while there are no guarantees, there definitely are times when an LE visit is less likely. If you think about it, the patrol function for LE runs 24/7, but many LE functions (like court and Dist Atty's office) tend to operate during normal business hours. So, if LE is planning a legit raid on an AMP, they're more likely to do it during the week and during the normal business day. They don't know exactly what they'll encounter and, if they stumble upon someone with a warrant, or drugs, or any other unexpected scenario, it's easier to deal with than it would be after hours or on the weekend. There's a fair amount of logistics involved, including stuff you don't usually think about like having enough female officers to do the body searches for any women detained or arrested. And also having someone fluent in the language used by the masseuses. The main point is that there's little to no upside to conduct such an operation at odd hours.

As far as surveillance is concerned, that can be happening and there'd be no way for either the client or the AMP to know. One or more cameras could be placed anywhere and would be more cost effective than officers or agents in an unmarked car. If that's a concern, one piece of advice that's been posted many times is to park somewhere around the block, or otherwise not in the same field of view as the AMP, and walk to the door. If you're concerned about your face being on camera, wearing sunglasses and one of those cheap paper face masks (remember COVID?) should put those concerns to rest.

Probably the biggest concern for any monger should be how they might handle being stopped and questioned by LE, either inside the AMP or when leaving. If that happens, it's highly likely they'll pull out all their intimidation tactics (Does your wife know you're here? Does your boss? What if we call them?) and every monger would be smart to make a plan in advance for any such scenarios. As we saw in the Boston agency bust, some unprepared mongers will fold like a cheap lawn chair. Again, the odds are already in your favor, but you can increase your edge even more with a little forethought and preparation.

Stay safe and happy hunting!

P.S. I posted this article in the News and Media forum, but also relevant here as it might be part of a good safety plan to invest in a Faraday bag for your phone.

https://archive.ph/2NGXH

**FarFarAway** · 10-08-25 15:45

Anyone have anything new on facial recognition sites? Both ones we can use to get information about, say, sugarbabies we are talking with, or those we need to be aware of and get our IRL photos taken out of the results listings. So girls can't find out our real identities. I just know of pimeyes.com and facecheck. I'd.

**Skooby** · 10-02-25 14:05

Originally Posted by GoRedSkins [View Original Post]

At this point I think Indies might be the best bet. A couple weeks after that incident, the place shut down for "personal reasons" but apparently have recently opened back up in the same spot. I'd be nervous to return in case they're under some sort of surveillance. Sometimes I wonder if the individual forums themselves are being looked at by the local PDs. I would guess it's likely.

I wonder that too.

The reports on this forum are very useful obviously but everyone has to perform their own due diligence.

**GoRedSkins** · 10-01-25 11:23

Originally Posted by Skooby [View Original Post]

Something very similar to this happened to me years ago. I documented this somewhere in the massage thread. There were loud knocks on the door saying health inspection health inspection They ask me questions. One of them said something to the effect of "you didn't just pick this Place why are you here. " I said I was feeling sore and just got a massage. They didn't do anything though. Eventually the left. But that was the end of me going to AMPs. I started going Indies from then that point forward.

At this point I think Indies might be the best bet. A couple weeks after that incident, the place shut down for "personal reasons" but apparently have recently opened back up in the same spot. I'd be nervous to return in case they're under some sort of surveillance. Sometimes I wonder if the individual forums themselves are being looked at by the local PDs. I would guess it's likely.

**Skooby** · 09-12-25 20:02

Originally Posted by GoRedSkins [View Original Post]

Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but here goes.

Visited an AMP that I have been to many times. About 10-20 minutes into massage, there's subtle knocking on the door which is unusual, then girls phone beeps signaling text received. After reading the text, she flips out, puts her robe back on, and tells me to hop up and get dressed. Confused, I ask her why. "Police" she says. I toss on my shorts and lay back face down. She covers me with a towel and continues massaging though I can tell she's nervous. In the distance I hear radio chatter that could be PD or FD communications. Eventually she leaves the room and says to stay here. After about 10 minutes she says they're leaving, then asks if I want extras LOL. I decline, and nervously GTFO, but noticed no PD or anything out of the ordinary outside. From her broken English all I could understand is that something happened, and they popped in to ask a couple of questions, then left. It definitely spooked the mamasan and employees.

Not sure what I would've done if cops came in and asked me questions. I feel like they were just caught in the crossfire of unrelated PD activity and there's nothing to worry about. However, should I avoid this place for a while in case they might have popped up on the radar of the PD?

Something very similar to this happened to me years ago. I documented this somewhere in the massage thread. There were loud knocks on the door saying health inspection health inspection They ask me questions. One of them said something to the effect of "you didn't just pick this Place why are you here. " I said I was feeling sore and just got a massage. They didn't do anything though. Eventually the left. But that was the end of me going to AMPs. I started going Indies from then that point forward.

**CollegeParkBoy** · 09-04-25 21:26

Originally Posted by WillGuyMar [View Original Post]

More ladies on the low-end are requiring FaceTime (or the Android equivalent) verification. Sometimes they're up front and post it in the ad, but others will spring it on you during the set up. Unless you have a safe burner that is not tied to your name then this is dangerous as it requires you to give out your real number.

I offer to send a "live pic" where I can put on a hat and sunglasses. That worked once. Or use snapchat.

I understand the high-end ladies doing this, but for the Landmark Latinas this is a bit much.

I've done it three times with LC ads. All three were legit. Though I only saw two of them. The third I didn't see was shady with the texting of the apt # and a dude came out her spot before I got out. She then came out mad at me for asking who he was and I decided to leave. It was the girl in the ad though.

I didn't think it would be that bad as you see the actual person real time but now that I think of it they could screenshot you (I know iPhone notifies you if someone screenshots during FT). Guess I'll stop now LOL.

**GoRedSkins** · 09-02-25 13:55

Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but here goes.

Visited an AMP that I have been to many times. About 10-20 minutes into massage, there's subtle knocking on the door which is unusual, then girls phone beeps signaling text received. After reading the text, she flips out, puts her robe back on, and tells me to hop up and get dressed. Confused, I ask her why. "Police" she says. I toss on my shorts and lay back face down. She covers me with a towel and continues massaging though I can tell she's nervous. In the distance I hear radio chatter that could be PD or FD communications. Eventually she leaves the room and says to stay here. After about 10 minutes she says they're leaving, then asks if I want extras LOL. I decline, and nervously GTFO, but noticed no PD or anything out of the ordinary outside. From her broken English all I could understand is that something happened, and they popped in to ask a couple of questions, then left. It definitely spooked the mamasan and employees.

Not sure what I would've done if cops came in and asked me questions. I feel like they were just caught in the crossfire of unrelated PD activity and there's nothing to worry about. However, should I avoid this place for a while in case they might have popped up on the radar of the PD?

**MrWorldWid3** · 08-06-25 14:27

Originally Posted by WillGuyMar [View Original Post]

More ladies on the low-end are requiring FaceTime (or the Android equivalent) verification. Sometimes they're up front and post it in the ad, but others will spring it on you during the set up. Unless you have a safe burner that is not tied to your name then this is dangerous as it requires you to give out your real number.

I offer to send a "live pic" where I can put on a hat and sunglasses. That worked once. Or use snapchat.

I understand the high-end ladies doing this, but for the Landmark Latinas this is a bit much.

Yeah, fuck that for any girl off listcrawler or bedpage. If I do a real PII verification, it's usually independents with a history on TER to vouch for their legitimacy. Shout out to all the guys who went in walking blind so the rest of us could run.

**FarFarAway** · 07-11-25 14:29

Originally Posted by Mandane [View Original Post]

I haven't got a result with Tineye in years. Try Yandex image search. It works occasionally.

The way it worked for me, it was almost like facial rec. It showed a lot of similar photos.

**Mandane** · 07-08-25 19:02

Originally Posted by CollegeParkBoy [View Original Post]

Have you tried Tineye?

I haven't got a result with Tineye in years. Try Yandex image search. It works occasionally.

**WillGuyMar** · 07-08-25 06:45

More ladies on the low-end are requiring FaceTime (or the Android equivalent) verification. Sometimes they're up front and post it in the ad, but others will spring it on you during the set up. Unless you have a safe burner that is not tied to your name then this is dangerous as it requires you to give out your real number.

I offer to send a "live pic" where I can put on a hat and sunglasses. That worked once. Or use snapchat.

I understand the high-end ladies doing this, but for the Landmark Latinas this is a bit much.

**CollegeParkBoy** · 07-03-25 21:03

Originally Posted by FarFarAway [View Original Post]

I have a photo of a POT that facecheck traces to an Instagram account. I can't locate the actual account however. And I won't pay facecheck's exorbitant fee. I could provide the photo to anyone who can help me out to get to that Instagram. This sugar baby POT is a ballet dancer, I'm supposed to FC w / her tomorrow.

Also, let's revive this thread.

Have you tried Tineye?

**FarFarAway** · 07-03-25 15:42

I have solid practices, and mostly haven't had any trouble. I am in a large west coast metro area, and have figured the big population provides me some safety. There are just a large amount of people here, most who have nothing to do w / the dating sites I am on. However, I had two recent incidents that gave me that 'OMG' feeling. I need to be UTR, as I have a SO.

I was meeting a POT for coffee, a M&G. She unfortunately is very striking and was dressed very provocatively, tight short dress, big boobs on display. We take a seat at an outside table, I look across the plaza, and there is a couple from my development. Good friends, but thankfully engaged w / a number of other people. Maybe they didn't see us. I explained to the gal, and after a discreet amount of time, I exited a different route so I didn't have to walk past them.

Even weirder. I was going to a hotel to meet a sugar baby, who had booked a room. I am about to walk in the front door, and a woman was coming out who 'reminded' me of the wife of my spouse's uncle. However, they live on the east coast. Then, someone very much like the uncle walks out. I just keep on walking and go around the corner of the building so they can't see me. I hunker down and wait a long time for them to disperse. I later hear through the family grapevine that these actual people were in the state at that time. I have no idea why there were in my area, and it was the absolute worst luck that they happened to not only be in the same hotel as my SB, but the timing was such that we bumped into one another. One possibility why this 'bump' hasn't been mentioned. The uncle was known to step out on occasion, perhaps it wasn't his wife.

**FarFarAway** · 07-03-25 15:30

Originally Posted by BuckshotWatson [View Original Post]

Have you tried https://www.duplichecker.com/reverse-image-search.php?.

I did. But that site isn't free. It would be ideal to find something free or cheap. I was hoping someone might volunteer who had access.

**BuckshotWatson** · 07-03-25 09:59

Originally Posted by FarFarAway [View Original Post]

I have a photo of a POT that facecheck traces to an Instagram account. I can't locate the actual account however. And I won't pay facecheck's exorbitant fee. I could provide the photo to anyone who can help me out to get to that Instagram. This sugar baby POT is a ballet dancer, I'm supposed to FC w / her tomorrow.

Also, let's revive this thread.

Have you tried https://www.duplichecker.com/reverse-image-search.php?.